Sheesh members when does it end? Now its Minnesotas turn.
--- Kev
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Columbine All Over Again!!
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Its really sad Kev, and we're getting desensitized and used to it. I don't think anyone will do anything until something even more shocking happens such as kindergarden kids and / or girls becoming the shooters. Then we'll all wonder why there were no warning signs.
Not trying to pass blame or anything...
but
why are kids killing kids? theres got to be something seriously wrong for that to happen.. I dont believe in the bully things.. since we all went through it when we were kids, yet we didnt go on a rampage.
Also, why does it always happens in the U.S versus some other high density settings such as In Mexico city? The biggest habited city in the world. At least I am not aware of kids killing other kids etc....
Also, it seems like most of the time when they go on a rampage , the gun being used is owned by their families? In this tragic case, the grandparents got shot and killed + many others.
but
why are kids killing kids? theres got to be something seriously wrong for that to happen.. I dont believe in the bully things.. since we all went through it when we were kids, yet we didnt go on a rampage.
Also, why does it always happens in the U.S versus some other high density settings such as In Mexico city? The biggest habited city in the world. At least I am not aware of kids killing other kids etc....
Also, it seems like most of the time when they go on a rampage , the gun being used is owned by their families? In this tragic case, the grandparents got shot and killed + many others.
Of course, people are going to blame it on movies, music, video games, the right to bear arms, grow-ops, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Michael Jackson, Robert Blake, Kobe Bryant, OJ Simpson, Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction...whatever is a convenient target.
Why are kids killing kids? Don't know, but this isn't a new phenomenon. The only difference is numbers of kids dying in one incident. If anybody remembers the mid 90's when two kids (I think they were around ten) took a three year old out and beat him to death over in England? I was living in Newfoundland at the time, and everybody there was saying how glad they were not to be living in a big city. One of the RCMP there told me he had investigated the exact same thing about ten years earlier in small town Newfoundland.eljudo said:
As for Mexico City, any idea how many juvenile killers there are in the street gangs there?
here in MN
I live in the Minneapolis area, and it was hard to actually believe that this happened here in MN. I think I'll move to Vancouver now.
I live in the Minneapolis area, and it was hard to actually believe that this happened here in MN. I think I'll move to Vancouver now.
Sadly this event occured in MN, but it easily could have happened elsewhere in the US or Canada. Look at the 4 police officers that died resently in Alberta. Who would have thought?yobkadon said:
Some argue its about guns, "Lets take the guns away!!!" There is definitely some needed legislation in the US that wouldn't allow teenagers axcess to guns, and in general make the guns in the home unavailable to those except the gun owner.
IMHO. The shootings we are seeing isn't just about guns. These kids pulling the trigger are seriously being affected by something. I would like to know what makes them so numb, that taking another human life, and in the end their own so meaningless?
I would like to think they tried to reach out to someone, but when you say "[shouldn't] parents see that somethings going on with their child." Well parents should (In a perfect world) but thats not they way it is. Its different know than when i was a kid.........or the same for you Monica. Kids these days are left far to often to their own devices, and thats where society has failed them. As a youth i never had so many distractions like we are seeing now. Internet, video games, TV, personal phones or cell phones. All this media can shape our kids in a negative way. Most are balanced and can see the bigger picture others are...........? --- KevMonica said:
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Dead wrong. Just because not every victim of being bullied doesn't go on a rampage in no way discounts that as a cause for voilence. Yes we all went through it, but that "it" is different for everyone.eljudo said:
Perhaps such things haven't been reported by the media?eljudo said:
The availability of the weapon and perhaps some significance with it.eljudo said:
Yeah, we are getting pretty desensitized toward it, and I guess the media no longer views these slayings as news worthy. It didn’t even make the front page of the paper. Some fuck up at a stupid Morgue has had the front page for 2 straight days now. That’s fucked up.
It can happen anywhere in the world --- and does; however, what accounts for the following disproportionate stats? Is it the prevalence of guns in the U.S., or societal influences U.S. citizens are under, or ???Kev said:
Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries: In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
• 373 people in Germany
• 151 people in Canada
• 57 people in Australia
• 19 people in Japan
• 54 people in England and Wales, and
• 11,789 people in the United States
(The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence)
Ya ya, you can show anything with statistics --- anyone care to post those from the gun industry or gun lobbies or those die-hard “right to bear arms” proponents? They have an interesting spin.
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When the disparities are so enormous, even the raw numbers mean something.mustangjoe said:
But yes, they are more meaningful if expressed per capita.
The US had 293 million population in mid 2004. The other countries totalled 322 million.
The US had 40.24 handgun murders per million population.
Al the others had 2.03
Japan had 0.15
The US rate was 20 times as much as the others combined.
The US has 10 times Canada's population:mustangjoe said:
so ...
if we had the same pop as the US, then we would have 1,510 deaths by guns versus 11,789 in the USA.
and per capita the USA is still higher
3.4 x 10 (-5) versus 4.3 x 10 (-6)
(that's 10 to the negative 5 and 10 to the negative 6).
And since King George has no plans for invasion or taxation without representation one wonders at the utility of the anachronistic 'right to bear arms'.
Guns don't kill people, only retarded gun owners are to blame. I'm a lawful, licensed and registered gun owner. In fact I own 6 hand guns, 2 rifles and a shotgun. They are kept as per the law requires: unloaded and locked in a closet with trigger locks to boot. It would be safe to say it would be impossible for a four year old to find it and shoot a 2 year old in the face with it. (Assuming the little bastards were in my house to begin with)
Even if my house was being robbed, or whatnot I would never consider shooting the perp. I’d crack him good over the head with a bat and never think twice, but for god’s sake I’d never pull out a gun.
Guns are tools just like any other tool. People turn them into weapons. Just get those Americans to lock ‘em up and there is no problem.
Even if my house was being robbed, or whatnot I would never consider shooting the perp. I’d crack him good over the head with a bat and never think twice, but for god’s sake I’d never pull out a gun.
Guns are tools just like any other tool. People turn them into weapons. Just get those Americans to lock ‘em up and there is no problem.
The trouble with guns as a defensive weapon is that they are totally useless for defence. Unless you sleep/bathe/walkaround in a "shooters stance" with your gun cocked and loaded at all times, you will be unable to defend yourself against someone who has already drawn a bead on you (or lined you up with a pipe). If you have enough warning to draw and load your gun, you are no longer defending yourself but are assuming the offensive (A good offence is the best defence).
Just being known to have a gun can be a deterrence to most perpetrators but may attract someone who wants the weapons themselves. What I would like to see is a mandatory 10 year sentence for anyone carrying gun without a lawful purpose, ie, while committing a crime or even hanging with the "homeboys". As for the lunatics with an aresenal in their livingrooms. If they even so much as issue a threat to anyone, the weapons should be siezed and they should be explaining themselves in court before getting their property back (with court ordered restrictions), if at all.
rickoshadows
Just being known to have a gun can be a deterrence to most perpetrators but may attract someone who wants the weapons themselves. What I would like to see is a mandatory 10 year sentence for anyone carrying gun without a lawful purpose, ie, while committing a crime or even hanging with the "homeboys". As for the lunatics with an aresenal in their livingrooms. If they even so much as issue a threat to anyone, the weapons should be siezed and they should be explaining themselves in court before getting their property back (with court ordered restrictions), if at all.
rickoshadows
Venture70 said:
For the enjoyment of collectong them, but mostly for sport. Shotguns to kill turkey's at Thanksgiving, rifles to shoot moose and restricted firearms (handguns) to target shoot and compete in sanctioned matches.
Buddy is right in the sense that they are not practical to use for defence even if I were so inclined. By the time you grab your gun, take off the trigger lock and load the damn thing you're in trouble. If you have your gun ready and loaded for such an event under your sofa or something and use it, you're as just as much (or more) trouble then the guy who broke into your house in the first place.
and dont forget that if the gun is already loaded and under pill, it then becomes an easy to reach item for demended fools ( pyscho students ) or very young innocent childrens....
seems to happen quite often.
seems to happen quite often.
