Are LOW RATES a turn off?

[SexyN in MB]

Hey gents and ladies,

Are low rates a turnoff? My rates are very reasonable, because I am so part time and I have lousy pictures. I am also not "built" in the classical sense... unless you consider 32-26-32 with muscles built. Lol.

I have a pretty face, aside from what I do in the sack, it's my greatest asset.

But do I sell myself short at cheap Winnipeg rates?

My clients repeat 90% of the time... am I short-selling myself?

Please advise...

xoxo NIKKI

 

[76duster]

I often wonder what goes into the minds of SPs when they determine pricing. It just defies logic.

A few SPs I've known, reacting to a tightening up of the market in terms of what customers are spending, increase their rates. It seems like all they think about is maintaining the same standard of living despite an economic downturn, when it is in fact the economy itself that is the source of their standard of living to begin with. There is some strange disconnect in their understanding between the economy and causality.

Others seem to think that without significantly differentiating between themselves as a product/service and others of doing the same thing, that somehow their pricing should be vastly different (ie: higher). But no thought is given from the customer's end when the customer is new and the providers all look pretty much the same and all pretty much do the same thing - would a consumer justify a higher expenditure given that?

I think it is more likely if you are not meeting the classic standard of beauty then you are not going to appeal to most men - and that is what is determining your popularity. A higher price may denote that you are somehow a better quality provider but without something else to bolster that idea, then you only have the numeric price to justify that notion - and only the fools will think that. Most of the time, it is a lower price that gets more attention whereas a higher price is more likely to be dismissed. No, there is not an arousal factor when a man takes out his wallet and shells out a huge amount of money - the arousal is your's, not his.

 

[odonnell]

I think rates are usually determined by what the traffic will bear for that particular SP's age, location and services. If she is finding business is slower than she would like, she may drop her rates to see if she is then busier. If she is attracting clients who don't appeal to her much, then she may raise them up in the hope of attracting a different class of men and perhaps makes some changes to what she offers as well to make up for the higher price.

Many ladies find it a good idea to offer a few different packages for her clients to choose from so everyone feels as if they are being treated fairly including the SP. Those just offering one fixed rate per hour with limited services may not be super busy, but maybe she's happy with that and if so, to each their own.

 

[westwoody]

Winnipeg econopooners are insane about pricing.

Guys will bitch and complain about a touring lady who looks fantastic and gives great service but charges $300.

Then they go see some hood rat from backpage who looks like shit and gives lousy service for $250.

Nikki do you actually have your rates posted anywhere? Most guys don't want to hunt around on a website for them, or click through a series of links. Post them on your ad. Don't ask guys to call you for more information. Nobody has the patience for playing telephone tag. If you can't spell them out guys will move on to the next ad.

 

[odonnell]

Winnipeg econopooners are insane about pricing.

Guys will bitch and complain about a touring lady who looks fantastic and gives great service but charges $300.

Then they go see some hood rat from backpage who looks like shit and gives lousy service for $250.



Nikki do you actually have your rates posted anywhere? Most guys don't want to hunt around on a website for them, or click through a series of links. Post them on your ad. Don't ask guys to call you for more information. Nobody has the patience for playing telephone tag. If you can't spell them out guys will move on to the next ad.

Are there even any sites now that will permit ladies to name their services other than massage? Since the new law came into effect, I think most sites have very serious restrictions regarding what the ladies are permitted to say in their ads as well as photos are controlled by most popular sites.

 

[MRGREEN]

Only you can decide your value. It really depends on your individual goals. If 90% are repeating and often that is a goal of a provider as it's much easier than chasing new clients all the time. So why look at it in a negative light like you're selling yourself short? Maybe folks repeat because of you and your service along with fair value. Win win I figure.

Peace
MG

 

[hornygandalf]

Maybe ask some of your regulars whether they would feel they were still receiving good value if you increased your prices $20 (as your living/operating costs have gone up). If they generally say yes, then you are probably underselling yourself. If the reaction is negative, then you are probably at the right price point.

 

[Poonian]

Hi Nikki,

I actually find really low rates a big red flag for an SP. By really low I'm saying less than $80 HH. But that's based on the Vancouver market, I don't know the Winnipeg market to even speculate a low rate.

Most SP's around Vancouver, for example, charge $80 - $120 HH. If somebody suddenly puts up a post for $50 HH it immediately makes me turn away.

It's basic economics, everybody has a price point in mind for what's acceptable for any given service, i.e. McDonalds sells burgers for about $6, if they suddenly offered the same burgers for $3 people probably wouldn't buy them because it gives the image that something is really wrong with them unless it's some kind of super promotion for a day. Pricing really impacts perception of the quality of service received.

On the flipside, I generally avoid SP's who charge way too much. I.e. I tend to shy away from SP's that charge $400 per hour, heck I avoid some that charge $300/hour even. So my price range when I'm on the prowl is anywhere from $80 to $250. Anything way above or way below that range gives me bad vibes and I will almost automatically ignore them, especially the low end ones because they tend to be crack addicts, dirty, and infected with something bad as they will see 20 people a day and have very little (if any) restrictions.

I tried to warn one of my buddies about this a while ago, but he fell for an ad that offered FS for $40 for 30 mins. He got there to find some other dudes jizz still dripping out of her :doh:

 

[badbadboy]

Winnipeg econopooners are insane about pricing.

Guys will bitch and complain about a touring lady who looks fantastic and gives great service but charges $300.

Then they go see some hood rat from backpage who looks like shit and gives lousy service for $250.

Nikki do you actually have your rates posted anywhere? Most guys don't want to hunt around on a website for them, or click through a series of links. Post them on your ad. Don't ask guys to call you for more information. Nobody has the patience for playing telephone tag. If you can't spell them out guys will move on to the next ad.

Isn't that the case everywhere though?

I read all these reviews about paid $200 or even $180 an hour and came away pissed off at the attitude, service or the usual fake pics.

I'd rather pay the Three bills for a sure thing rather than wasting my pooning budget on trying to find Walmart Prices with SP's. It's rare, sometimes I stumble across a gem at $250 or less and walk away thinking wow she could be earning $300 hr easily. They usually are the part timers who just want to see maybe 3 or 4 guys a week, earn some easy cash and may not be here next month.

 

[Dickson]

Isn't that the case everywhere though?

I read all these reviews about paid $200 or even $180 an hour and came away pissed off at the attitude, service or the usual fake pics.

I'd rather pay the Three bills for a sure thing rather than wasting my pooning budget on trying to find Walmart Prices with SP's. It's rare, sometimes I stumble across a gem at $250 or less and walk away thinking wow she could be earning $300 hr easily. They usually are the part timers who just want to see maybe 3 or 4 guys a week, earn some easy cash and may not be here next month.

Totally with you on this BBB. You generally get what you pay for. I tend to pay the higher fees but I get what I pay for. Generally! There exceptions. But combined with the fee is the reviews and her ads, here appearance and how she responds either on the phone or over email. Since I go for longer dates personality is critical. Can I relate to her and her to me.

 

[badbadboy]

One of my favourite quotes on Perb from westwoody is one I have saved. It seems appropriate in this thread


Originally Posted by westwoody View Post
1: One outstanding session is better than ten acceptable sessions.



3: If you find a great provider do all you can to nurture the relationship. Really great ones are fabulous.

 

[LisbethNova]

From what I have learned in this industry, for more of a highend classy experience.. paying 300 and up distinguishes one SP from others. Paying any less than 300 can be taking a risk in terms of quality in service, quality in girl and quality in clientele. Higher rates are targeting a particular market that should be less risk. I would be incredibly nervous to pay anything less than 250. I have heard my share of horror stories.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

I respectfully beg to disagree, Ms Nova. My rate has nothing to do with the level of my class...

 

[LisbethNova]

It's all relative isn't it. I choose to charge higher so that I don't have to see as many clients and give them my 100% best. Too often girls in agencies and those who see a higher volume get burnt out and spend less care and attention to their clients. In Toronto, 300 is a standard for higher quality ladies.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

It's all relative isn't it. I choose to charge higher so that I don't have to see as many clients and give them my 100% best. Too often girls in agencies and those who see a higher volume get burnt out and spend less care and attention to their clients. In Toronto, 300 is a standard for higher quality ladies.

That might be. I think that price point might be slightly lower here.

 

[yazoo]

I disagree that higher volume ladies don't give 100% best. I visited higher volume providers that have just rocked my world, and lower volume providers who are meh...
...From a guys point of view its a crapshoot.
The strongest correlation that I've seen has been with age/looks. The better looking providers charge more. But sometimes the less stunning girls are the best performers.

Thanks gods for review boards.

 

[Poonian]

I disagree that higher volume ladies don't give 100% best. I visited higher volume providers that have just rocked my world, and lower volume providers who are meh...
...From a guys point of view its a crapshoot.
The strongest correlation that I've seen has been with age/looks. The better looking providers charge more. But sometimes the less stunning girls are the best performers.

Thanks gods for review boards.

Just because you visited a few that charge more and they worked out doesn't mean SP's who charge less are any less quality. I know a few SP's around here who charge on the lower end and they provide an exceptional service. Price doesn't equal service.

All price really does is raise the expectation of service and limit your client base, it doesn't automatically correlate to the actual quality of service. I'm sure there are SP's who provide a really good service for $400, and I'm sure there's just as many who provide a really shit service for that. Heck, I paid $500 for a SP when I was in Miami a few years ago and it was probably the worst experience I've had doing this.

From what I have learned in this industry, for more of a highend classy experience.. paying 300 and up distinguishes one SP from others. Paying any less than 300 can be taking a risk in terms of quality in service, quality in girl and quality in clientele. Higher rates are targeting a particular market that should be less risk. I would be incredibly nervous to pay anything less than 250. I have heard my share of horror stories.

It's all relative isn't it. I choose to charge higher so that I don't have to see as many clients and give them my 100% best. Too often girls in agencies and those who see a higher volume get burnt out and spend less care and attention to their clients. In Toronto, 300 is a standard for higher quality ladies.

The only thing in your statements I agree with is that higher prices means less clients needed. Everything else you've stated here is extremely relative. Paying less than $300 in no way correlates to lower service. Jewel over in Surrey here only charges $80-$100 and she is by far one of the best SP's in BC. Yet by your definition she would be one of the worst SP's.

And quality in clients, that's just bullshit. You are just as likely to get shitty clients at the higher price points than you are lower price points. People with lots of money to spend on luxuries like SP's are just as likely to be a complete asshole than somebody who is taking away from their food budget so they can have a good time.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a higher rate, every SP chooses what they are comfortable with. But justifying your rate by hiding behind blanket assumptions is just dumb. You're essentially using the same reasoning Donald Trump is about Mexico - he went on national TV a few weeks ago and said Mexican's were mostly rapists and murderers. Forget the other 99% of the country that produces good people that work hard, they don't count in his statistics, therefor the whole country is made up of rapists and murderers. That's almost exactly what you are using as a way to justify your rates.

Charge $400/hour or whatever, but don't use BS like that to make it sound right.

 

[LisbethNova]

Just because you visited a few that charge more and they worked out doesn't mean SP's who charge less are any less quality. I know a few SP's around here who charge on the lower end and they provide an exceptional service. Price doesn't equal service.

All price really does is raise the expectation of service and limit your client base, it doesn't automatically correlate to the actual quality of service. I'm sure there are SP's who provide a really good service for $400, and I'm sure there's just as many who provide a really shit service for that. Heck, I paid $500 for a SP when I was in Miami a few years ago and it was probably the worst experience I've had doing this.





The only thing in your statements I agree with is that higher prices means less clients needed. Everything else you've stated here is extremely relative. Paying less than $300 in no way correlates to lower service. Jewel over in Surrey here only charges $80-$100 and she is by far one of the best SP's in BC. Yet by your definition she would be one of the worst SP's.

And quality in clients, that's just bullshit. You are just as likely to get shitty clients at the higher price points than you are lower price points. People with lots of money to spend on luxuries like SP's are just as likely to be a complete asshole than somebody who is taking away from their food budget so they can have a good time.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a higher rate, every SP chooses what they are comfortable with. But justifying your rate by hiding behind blanket assumptions is just dumb. You're essentially using the same reasoning Donald Trump is about Mexico - he went on national TV a few weeks ago and said Mexican's were mostly rapists and murderers. Forget the other 99% of the country that produces good people that work hard, they don't count in his statistics, therefor the whole country is made up of rapists and murderers. That's almost exactly what you are using as a way to justify your rates.

Charge $400/hour or whatever, but don't use BS like that to make it sound right.

That's fair.. actually now that I thikn about it I know girls who charge 500 who don't really do much... and honestly don't seem like a good time at all.. so ya I take that back.. it is really all relative. I still wouldn't pay less than 300.

 

[LisbethNova]

Just because you visited a few that charge more and they worked out doesn't mean SP's who charge less are any less quality. I know a few SP's around here who charge on the lower end and they provide an exceptional service. Price doesn't equal service.

All price really does is raise the expectation of service and limit your client base, it doesn't automatically correlate to the actual quality of service. I'm sure there are SP's who provide a really good service for $400, and I'm sure there's just as many who provide a really shit service for that. Heck, I paid $500 for a SP when I was in Miami a few years ago and it was probably the worst experience I've had doing this.

The only thing in your statements I agree with is that higher prices means less clients needed. Everything else you've stated here is extremely relative. Paying less than $300 in no way correlates to lower service. Jewel over in Surrey here only charges $80-$100 and she is by far one of the best SP's in BC. Yet by your definition she would be one of the worst SP's.

And quality in clients, that's just bullshit. You are just as likely to get shitty clients at the higher price points than you are lower price points. People with lots of money to spend on luxuries like SP's are just as likely to be a complete asshole than somebody who is taking away from their food budget so they can have a good time.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a higher rate, every SP chooses what they are comfortable with. But justifying your rate by hiding behind blanket assumptions is just dumb. You're essentially using the same reasoning Donald Trump is about Mexico - he went on national TV a few weeks ago and said Mexican's were mostly rapists and murderers. Forget the other 99% of the country that produces good people that work hard, they don't count in his statistics, therefor the whole country is made up of rapists and murderers. That's almost exactly what you are using as a way to justify your rates.

Charge $400/hour or whatever, but don't use BS like that to make it sound right.

That's fair.. actually now that I think about it I know girls who charge 500 who don't really do much... and honestly don't seem like a good time at all.. so ya I take that back.. it is really all relative. I still wouldn't pay less than 300.

 

[Dickson]

Call me foolish but I tend to see higher end ladies who charge more but will go get their hair done and nails done and dress the part. That cost money. So I pay more.

With that said there have been times I will take a risk and see someone on the lower end. But it is very much a crap shoot. Too be honest most cases these ladies are big mistakes. High volume SP are not able to give me what I want or need. So I stay clear.

Over the last while I have not had the urge to see anyone. My present provider has been able to take my looking to a completely new level.