Are bad attitudes scaring away SP's form PERB

[Ghetto Child]

• PERB is just a site, and we are the one's who make it or break it for what it is everyday single day. Our words can make this place inviting or it can make it the most hostile place on earth depending who is visiting.
  
  
• A great many of SP's in Edmonton are just not comfortable at all in any way visiting this site. They are afraid to be attacked and have their trade ruined. The mere mention of the word PERB can be equal to a violent slap in the face to some SP's.
  
  
• Some phenomenal girls just refuse to participate on PERB in any shape or form. These SP's are some of the cities finest girls and would have a great deal to contribute on the site. I doubt we can even imagine vast amounts of valuable information these girls have that we never get to hear.
  
  
• When you have people personally attacking one another, bashing SP's, posting false reviews and being just plain nasty, then we create an environment we have where maybe no SP's will want to come at all and new members are afraid to join or post reviews.
  
  
• Even the SP's who do participate now are cautious and very suspicious of the guys on this site. Can you blame them.
  
  
• You might find out a lot from a PM's with SP's that can save you time with the third degree questions in a session, if she has a shift change that week, if you want to bring her flowers, what colors she likes, what she expects from you in a session, what turns her on, you can test the waters for chemistry, find out a something you never knew about her, and so on. All this requires trust and respect from the SP.
  
  
• Our attitudes can come with a very high price tag. We loose a lot more than we gain when we behave the way we do sometimes.
  
  
• This would not be the situation If we showed more respect and policed ourselves better, since we are all individually responsible. Yes we do have the right to free speech no matter how unpopular an idea is but that freedom should never negate our responsibility to respect other people. Maybe the NRA will learn this some day too, but rights cannot exist without responsible citizens who respects the rights of others.
  

Now here's a few questions to start this thread.

SP's

How do some of the SP's think of how they are treated on PERB? What would they like to see change?

Clients

Who thinks we are scaring away a lot of SP's from participating on PERB with our bad attitudes and I am picking on no one specifically? What can we do to change this?

 

[richrad]

why does it matter, i thought this board as its called pacific escort review board should be reviews on the escorts, i really dont care much about their ads in here as much as peoples rating

 

[trawler]

richrad, right on ...

this is a Review Board not a Meet and Greet forum. Tactful Reviews are appreciated but the real purpose of the Board is to critique and for that reason, there will always be hurt feelings.

NUFF SAID

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

...I doubt we can even imagine vast amounts of valuable information these girls have that we never get to hear....

 

[Steve Ray]

I did not bother reading it since I know it will be all a bunch of crap. Reading it will probably take down my IQ by a few points.

Ghetto maybe you should stop posting crap for a while. Instead you can post some reviews for us all to read.

 

[threepeat]

Not sure if I should bother, but...

Some phenomenal girls just refuse to participate on PERB in any shape or form. These SP's are some of the cities finest girls and would have a great deal to contribute on the site. I doubt we can even imagine vast amounts of valuable information these girls have that we never get to hear.

GC, what unimaginable information could this be? Are you referring to this:

if she has a shift change that week, if you want to bring her flowers, what colors she likes, what she expects from you in a session, what turns her on, you can test the waters for chemistry, find out a something you never knew about her, and so on.

For shift changes, a guy can always call the studio for this information. Moreover, only paid advertisers can post schedule information about themselves anyway. As for the rest of your list, this all falls under YMMV. You said so yourself:

All this requires trust and respect from the SP.

A girl might love flowers from Client A, but will toss them in the trash if she gets them from Client B. How about a girl who says she likes pink lingerie and ends up with fifty pairs of pink bras because she posted this information publicly? Same goes for what turns her on; if fifty pooners book for her a session and try "move X," she's going to get tired of it pretty fast. As for finding something you never knew about her, you can be pretty sure that if an SP posts personal information about herself on a public forum, she is either: (A) naive, (B) lying, or (C) posting trivial information (eg., "I hate hangnails.") If a girl has trusted you enough to share this information with a client, he should treat this information with discretion and not care who else knows it.

Who thinks we are scaring away a lot of SP's from participating on PERB with our bad attitudes and I am picking on no one specifically? What can we do to change this?

GC, the truth is a lot of girls do not care to socialize with pooners outside of work, PERB or no PERB. This includes some girls who get great reviews on this site. If you do not believe this, you should actually get to know some SPs outside of work as friends, and hear what they say about guys who they put on a happy face for a few minutes earlier. Moreover, you will find that SPs often fight with other SPs, just as much as they fight with pooners. I'm just not sure if you can see this from the pedestal you've placed these girls on. Has it occurred to you that through your goddess-worship, can-do-no-wrong point of view, you are actually not seeing them as human beings?

I will retract my last comment if a bunch of SPs get on this thread and say they prefer pooner worship over pooner respect.

 

[Cinnamon Girl]

are bad attitudes scaring SPs off perb

Yes - many ladies have left - some dude gets a bee in his bonnet or is under the influence of another jealous SP & the rude posts get too much to handle day in & day out or a catfight erupts in the sandbox.

the last paragraph above is pretty accurate, IMO.

 

[Cinnamon Girl]

my turn, great point ;o)

*I've NEVER tossed out any flowers, candy or gifts from anyone!

**Also; I used to enjoy (and look forward to) the PERB gatherings, it was great to meet with the guys and girls on neutral ground.

I've only heard one SP complain about gifts, I couldn't relate at all. I love gifts! It shows respect & thoughtfulness. Anyone who can take the time to think of me is a gem.

As for the gatherings....those were the days. I met Paige in Seattle at one of their annual parties(we were both from Victoria!). We're not talking strip clubs & beer, but elegant well planned events. I just started again, being a part of select socials that aren't publicly announced.
I tried organizing a high end party in Victoria & PA was the only lady who wasn't going to flake out on me, it was a huge WOT. Vancouver gatherings were fun until the guys formed a club & the SPs divided R I P.

The more involved one becomes in the community, the boards, socials, other SPs, the more scrutiny there is to be had. There was a good reason for privacy & discretion in this industry. personal protection from the dark unpleasant side.

 

[Avery]

Yes - many ladies have left - some dude gets a bee in his bonnet or is under the influence of another jealous SP & the rude posts get too much to handle day in & day out or a catfight erupts in the sandbox.

That has happened all too often in the Winnipeg forum. I'd love to see the ladies post more often, but there seems to be three or four guys who don't want that, and they harass and intimidate the ladies to the point where they stop posting.

 

[dick slap]

How about a PPRB site

If there was a PPRB (Pacific Pooners Review Board) there would be a place for sp's to go and review pooners with reviews like:

Was not really in the mood to see anyone today but I got a call from Dick Slap and decided 'what the hell, I need the money'. Dick Slap arrived late as usual and proceeded to bitch about the rain and traffic, blah, blah, blah.

Into the shower he went (left the bathroom a mess, again) then came the main event. He started by going down on me (way too much spit) when all of a sudden I had an urge to fart. Kept it in 'cause I did'nt want to ruin the session. Put a hat on him then onto to some mish followed by doggie. The good thing about him is that his member is massive and he sure knows how slam good and hard with it. It was getting to 55 minutes into the session so i faked an O and jerked him off.

Rating:
Looks - 11 (my god if he were any better looking I'd marry him)
Attitude - 9 (he always wants to treat me like a whore)
Performance - 7 (would have given him a 9 but he went limp for 10 minutes and had to revive slappy jr.)

OR

Saw Ghetto Child today at his usual time - 8am with flowers and a ring. He's so cute and I adore the attention. My only hope is some day we actually have sex instead of talking about our feelings and what makes a great session.

DS

 

[wolverine]

I personally welcome the SPs that post here because I value their POV on issues, and they should be able to defend themselves when they are criticized in a review, or learn and improve from the feedback. Plus, it's an invaluable means of communicating who is visiting from out of town, or who has changed MPs. Plus the female presence on a mostly-male board is sorely needed.

That said, at the end of the day this is a review board for pooners, and is the sole means of finding out who are the best SPs, who's not, and who are the ripoff artists. There is no BBB, no Consumers Reports for the SP industry...this is the next best thing. Never forget that, despite the intimacy of the appointments, we are still paying customers for a business service. It is by word-of-mouth and reviews that helps other business services succeed, retain regular clientele, or fail: restaurants, bars, spas, hairstylists, caterers, hotels, maid services, fitness trainers...SPs should be no different in that respect.

 

[bigwoodsman]

I personally welcome the SPs that post here because I value their POV on issues, and they should be able to defend themselves when they are criticized in a review, or learn and improve from the feedback. Plus, it's an invaluable means of communicating who is visiting from out of town, or who has changed MPs. Plus the female presence on a mostly-male board is sorely needed.

That said, at the end of the day this is a review board for pooners, and is the sole means of finding out who are the best SPs, who's not, and who are the ripoff artists. There is no BBB, no Consumers Reports for the SP industry...this is the next best thing. Never forget that, despite the intimacy of the appointments, we are still paying customers for a business service. It is by word-of-mouth and reviews that helps other business services succeed, retain regular clientele, or fail: restaurants, bars, spas, hairstylists, caterers, hotels, maid services, fitness trainers...SPs should be no different in that respect.

Well said Wolvie. I agree 100 percent!!!!

big wood

 

[Ghetto Child]

this is a Review Board not a Meet and Greet forum. Tactful Reviews are appreciated but the real purpose of the Board is to critique and for that reason, there will always be hurt feelings.

NUFF SAID

No where in my statement did I say you could not post reviews. All i said was the bashing and the personal attacks, false reports, and all the other crap people do to each other does nothing to help.

I see a large group of 10 regulars that I vist that have reviews already, all of you guys want reviews on new girls, which I only see a new one every four or six months.

No statement was made that you could not do reviews. And I would hate to see a Pooner review board, I think most guys would be devastated by what some of the SP's really thought.

And Steve if you did not read the post, you did not earn the right to make fun of it. But thank you all who posted negative remarks, I needed to prove my point.

Now but not least, pooners have the right to see the sex they have with an SP as a business transaction. But then again those who do should not be complaining and posting when the girls treat them like a walking ATM's. Respect is a two way street. If you make it a cold business contract. the service will also get treated very much the same way.

If you treat a waitress like she owes you good service, she will try to accommodate you as a professional, but you will not get her best service. The best service she has to offer will go to the client that treats her in the best possible fashion and is more enjoyable to serve. In reality is the business world is really not all that different.

What you give is what you get. That choice is all yours though. I will not tell you how to manage your affairs.

 

[dick slap]

If you treat a waitress like she owes you good service, she will try to accommodate you as a professional, but you will not get her best service. The best service she has to offer will go to the client that treats her in the best possible fashion and is more enjoyable to serve. In reality is the business world is really not all that different.

OK - be nice to your sp - your right - next topic please.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

...pooners have the right to see the sex they have with an SP as a business transaction. But then again those who do should not be complaining and posting when the girls treat them like a walking ATM's. Respect is a two way street. If you make it a cold business contract. the service will also get treated very much the same way...

WHAT IT IS:
It is a business transaction. Nothing more. And not a cheap one. I should be able to see an SP, get the service I am promised and the services that are agreed to up front, and get the full allotment of time that I pay for. I should leave feeling like I spent my money well. Got bang for my buck, so to speak.

WHAT IT IS NOT:
It is not a date. I should not have to wine and dine the SP. I should not have to shower her with gifts, big or small, to avoid getting fucked over on the donation, or to avoid geting pushed out the door before my time is up.

It has nothing to do with respect. It simply has to do with getting value for your dollar. If a pooner does not get value for his dollar, he simply doesn't repeat. Simp-diddly-imple. Plenty of other fish tacos in the sea. Not to say that a nice bottle of wine, a small bouquet of flowers, or some other small token isn't a nice way to arrive at her door. That's just common courtesy for the most part. But, if you read anything more into than what I've listed above, you, my friend, need serious therapy.

Nuff fuckin' said yo.

 

[dick slap]

WHAT IT IS:
It is a business transaction. Nothing more. And not a cheap one. I should be able to see an SP, get the service I am promised and the services that are agreed to up front, and get the full allotment of time that I pay for. I should leave feeling like I spent my money well. Got bang for my buck, so to speak.

WHAT IT IS NOT:
It is not a date. I should not have to wine and dine the SP. I should not have to shower her with gifts, big or small, to avoid getting fucked over on the donation, or to avoid geting pushed out the door before my time is up.

It has nothing to do with respect. It simply has to do with getting value for your dollar. If a pooner does not get value for his dollar, he simply doesn't repeat. Simp-diddly-imple. Plenty of other fish tacos in the sea. Not to say that a nice bottle of wine, a small bouquet of flowers, or some other small token isn't a nice way to arrive at her door. That's just common courtesy for the most part. But, if you read anything more into than what I've listed above, you, my friend, need serious therapy.

Nuff fuckin' said yo.

Fuzzy - we're all going to need therapy if we keep up the replies to his posts.

 

[wolverine]

Now but not least, pooners have the right to see the sex they have with an SP as a business transaction. But then again those who do should not be complaining and posting when the girls treat them like a walking ATM's. Respect is a two way street. If you make it a cold business contract. the service will also get treated very much the same way.

If you treat a waitress like she owes you good service, she will try to accommodate you as a professional, but you will not get her best service. The best service she has to offer will go to the client that treats her in the best possible fashion and is more enjoyable to serve. In reality is the business world is really not all that different.

What makes you think that business is mutually exclusive from enjoyment and respect? Mutual respect, attitude, personal interaction, successfully meeting the needs of the client, and enjoyment of services rendered and received IS GOOD BUSINESS, plain and simple. Why? Because that will determine the size of the tip she receives, and the high likelihood of the client becoming a regular customer. And repeat business is where the real coin is made. Why else do you think there have been A/S ratings in the reviews here?

I do agree that a customer who treats people like shit isn't going to be a good repeat client to have anyway...because if he thinks the people serving him aren't worth his respect then he's likely not going to think they're worth his money anyway. So he'd be the one who tips poorly and haggles over the bill.

Thankfully, most decent human beings I know don't walk into a restaurant, spa or MP with the express purpose of looking down at the people who serve them.

 

[Ghetto Child]

Great Sex is not exactly the easiest service to provide

The biggest difficulty any SP has is that sex is a little more personal than a cup of coffee.

A successful SP has to put a aside what she desires most, what kind of guys she likes, whether she can even stand your personality, or likes the way you look. To provide professional service she has to put all those normal human emotions a side in the majority of situations.

Just like a guy working at a store, you cannot choose the customer who walks in the front door but instead of selling a product you now have to have sex with him or her. There is nothing easy about it and the ladies who provide this service have my utmost respect.

The problem now is the greed of some MP's in the industry has too many MP's opening up and recruiting girls who see the money factor but don't yet have a grasp on the full reality of the fact they service who ever walks into that front door. You do not get to pick and choose. It's a far cry from "Pretty Women".

That is why you see so many short lived SP's at some of the lesser studios. Trying to be a professional in the sex trade is a tough job even for the best girls.

The main point over all I have is simple, our attitudes can either make this job easier or harder for them. That is not a difficult point to grasp and this should not be such a big issue. We have to make that choice. We are all individually responsible for our own actions the last time I checked.

You guys keep saying you want more reviews, but the more we make personal attacks against one another, new members will read these type of threads and be wary of posting at all. That includes a reviews they do not post of a new girl they may have seen.

Anyone going to an SP looking for an SO may just be setting them self up for a hard knock really fast. I want session to be a fantasy fulfillment thing and I am not looking for an SP SO like some guys keep saying. There is a long line of 400 or so guys a year to stand in for that one.

You have better odds of finding an SO the old fashion way than you do with an SP. Good old trial and error and taking chances with ladies in your everyday life.

Nuff said...

 

[rogue]

My question is what studio does Ghetto Child work at? No way is this a guy.

I pay for a service that you are willing to supply for a fee. If you do not like what you do then quit. A lot of ladys in this business are here for the quick cash. Where else can you work 18-24hrs. and make a living. I have to work 40 each and every week. If you provide poor service or attitude,at whatever job you do you are gone. Its called the real world. Would you keep your mouth shut if a waitress or waiter visited your table 2 times in a hour? No. You talk to the manager. Bad service. It is called the Service industry for a reason. You can make or break a business with the performance of your employees. So, GC, when you go to buy a blouse do you take chocolates and wine? If you expect gifts then say so. That way I know not only must I pay you but also bribe you to get serviced better. I will have to remember to take a extra 100 when I go to Home Depot next time I need a hammer so I get better service. To the moon Alice, to the moon.....

 

[Ghetto Child]

Okay

My question is what studio does Ghetto Child work at? No way is this a guy.

I pay for a service that you are willing to supply for a fee. If you do not like what you do then quit. A lot of ladys in this business are here for the quick cash. Where else can you work 18-24hrs. and make a living. I have to work 40 each and every week. If you provide poor service or attitude,at whatever job you do you are gone. Its called the real world. Would you keep your mouth shut if a waitress or waiter visited your table 2 times in a hour? No. You talk to the manager. Bad service. It is called the Service industry for a reason. You can make or break a business with the performance of your employees. So, GC, when you go to buy a blouse do you take chocolates and wine? If you expect gifts then say so. That way I know not only must I pay you but also bribe you to get serviced better. I will have to remember to take a extra 100 when I go to Home Depot next time I need a hammer so I get better service. To the moon Alice, to the moon.....

From my PM's with others you can rule out that SP angle. BS, Wofie, Iron Head have all PM'ed me on SP interactions so that conspiracy theory is out the window.