Space X stock IPO

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Today: The current stock price of SpaceX (SPCX) is $160.90. The stock has seen a daily range between $135.00 and $176.34 recently The IPO was set for 135.00.

Who is this stock good for. Right now the only thing making money is Starlink. At about 18 Billion a year for Starlink.

The P/E ratio for SpaceX is -56.59 (TTM), indicating a significant valuation based on its earnings. This negative ratio reflects the company's current financial situation, which is often used for unprofitable companies.

The only way someone is going to earn money on this stock is by a rush of idiots driving up the stock... Risk takers.... reminds me of the tech stock IPOs in 2000.... most of which failed.
 

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People that got allocated stocks at ipo price must hold for 90 days, I’d consider investing afterwards. Although a couple of big heavy hitters are rushing to going public before the tech crash.
 

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Company lost almost $5 billion last year alone and then lost another $4.2bilkion just in the first quarter of this year

Lotta hype driving the price right now

But a least retard Elons a trillionare now 🙄
 
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I'll consider buying -- or reassess SPCX in about 6 months time after in depth research. When and IF I buy it, it'll be a hold within TFSA for a minimum 8-10 yr hold. And, on a dollar cost average, per say. I'm bullish with this. Again, very long term hold. You'll need to have that with SPCX.
MOSTLY all major tech companies are viewed at with negative cash flow etc at first based on R&D thesis.

I bought CLS well over a yr ago and I've never looked back lol. I still hold it btw. Currently, that one is not too profitable either. But the future will be very bright imho.
 
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Two quotes come to mind:
Warren Buffet: price is what you pay, value is what you receive,
Benjamin Graham: in the short term, the market is a voting machine, in the ling term it is a weighing machine.

that said, consider both your time horizon and the role of the holding in your overall net worth portfolio
 
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I'll consider buying -- or reassess SPCX in about 6 months time after in depth research. When and IF I buy it, it'll be a hold within TFSA for a minimum 8-10 yr hold. And, on a dollar cost average, per say. I'm bullish with this. Again, very long term hold. You'll need to have that with SPCX.
MOSTLY all major tech companies are viewed at with negative cash flow etc at first based on R&D thesis.

I bought CLS well over a yr ago and I've never looked back lol. I still hold it btw. Currently, that one is not too profitable either. But the future will be very bright imho.
My question is simply with all the oligarchs hoarding wealth, laying off people, using AI to replace them, taking away any and all medical and social supports, who exactly is going to buy all this technology? From what I'm reading you have companies creating companies to buy their shit and then lend that company money to pay for it and then issuing debt to create more money to create these fake markets.

Meanwhile, the US government is issuing debt in record amounts while pissing off all the countries that would normally buy that debt. And what is SpaceX going to do that will make money that isn't fake? If the government is paying for it, then where is that money coming from? Taxpayers? The middle class barely exists, poor people don't have enough to pay taxes and oligarchs are never going to pay taxes. So businesses? All those closing and going bankrupt?

Every time a hedge fund destroys another business and puts more people out of work, who is going to make up those wages and earnings?

Right now the paper tiger propping up SpaceX is the fact that every ETF and 401K is being forced -- forced -- to buy that shit. What happens if there is a change in government at some point and they decide to pull the rug out from under Musk and his fascists and all those funds dump SpaceX stock overnight?

This has the potential to destroy the world economy and that ain't going to be pretty.

But, good luck with your investments!
 

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I'll consider buying -- or reassess SPCX in about 6 months time after in depth research. When and IF I buy it, it'll be a hold within TFSA for a minimum 8-10 yr hold. And, on a dollar cost average, per say. I'm bullish with this. Again, very long term hold. You'll need to have that with SPCX.
MOSTLY all major tech companies are viewed at with negative cash flow etc at first based on R&D thesis.

I bought CLS well over a yr ago and I've never looked back lol. I still hold it btw. Currently, that one is not too profitable either. But the future will be very bright imho.
They are rarely as much of a cash burner as SpaceX. They are never as overvalued as SpaceX. They rarely force Nasdaq and S&P to change their entire criteria of inclusion into indices and are buddy buddies with a President who sells pardons.
Besides, long term hold comes from value. As another person mentioned, virtually none of the SpaceX subsidiaries besides Starlink are profitable or have a clear potential for profitability. NASA and other space agencies are already shifting to other cheaper providers for rockets, driving SPCX's margins down; xAI is a blackhole of money (along with Anthropic and OpenAI) which I, in my cynical mind, cannot see how they can become profitable. Honestly, I would love to be convinced. But LLMs are now facing public scrutiny from all sides for data centre projects, are not really that crucial or productive for the general worker according to a handful of analyses now, and are absurdly expensive to operate. Companies have started hiring again because they cannot afford the tokenomics.
If the market is efficient, this company will not last.
 

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U bring a lot of good points but I recall way back during the dot Com / internet computer era. Oh man, do i ever recall stories and speculations lol. I heard similar comments throughout the arena. Its only rinse and repeat and todays new era. Yet, we're all still chugging along. I believe the media creates fear and I'll stick with that motto. I ignore the noise....always have. I guess we'll see by 3 or 4 yrs from now. I'm still young enough to see where this goes.
Cheers

My question is simply with all the oligarchs hoarding wealth, laying off people, using AI to replace them, taking away any and all medical and social supports, who exactly is going to buy all this technology? From what I'm reading you have companies creating companies to buy their shit and then lend that company money to pay for it and then issuing debt to create more money to create these fake markets.

Meanwhile, the US government is issuing debt in record amounts while pissing off all the countries that would normally buy that debt. And what is SpaceX going to do that will make money that isn't fake? If the government is paying for it, then where is that money coming from? Taxpayers? The middle class barely exists, poor people don't have enough to pay taxes and oligarchs are never going to pay taxes. So businesses? All those closing and going bankrupt?

Every time a hedge fund destroys another business and puts more people out of work, who is going to make up those wages and earnings?

Right now the paper tiger propping up SpaceX is the fact that every ETF and 401K is being forced -- forced -- to buy that shit. What happens if there is a change in government at some point and they decide to pull the rug out from under Musk and his fascists and all those funds dump SpaceX stock overnight?

This has the potential to destroy the world economy and that ain't going to be pretty.

But, good luck with your investments!
 
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Now that it's gone public and with many involved. The balance sheet may somewhat improve as time goes on. But who knows. We'll see. At this point.... Unless any us own the company direct, or is involved in the high ranks dept....its nothing but speculation and nothing more. For 25 + years, I've never based my investments on speculation or what others feel or think. Time tells all.

I dont own any shares in space x, and as I said in my original posts, I'll reassess it in 6 months. Maybe longer. Who knows. I have plenty of my other investments in various sectors I need to tend do way before that stock. 🙂

Cheers

I.will follow this for point of interest as I do have slight interest in Nasa / space etc.

They are rarely as much of a cash burner as SpaceX. They are never as overvalued as SpaceX. They rarely force Nasdaq and S&P to change their entire criteria of inclusion into indices and are buddy buddies with a President who sells pardons.
Besides, long term hold comes from value. As another person mentioned, virtually none of the SpaceX subsidiaries besides Starlink are profitable or have a clear potential for profitability. NASA and other space agencies are already shifting to other cheaper providers for rockets, driving SPCX's margins down; xAI is a blackhole of money (along with Anthropic and OpenAI) which I, in my cynical mind, cannot see how they can become profitable. Honestly, I would love to be convinced. But LLMs are now facing public scrutiny from all sides for data centre projects, are not really that crucial or productive for the general worker according to a handful of analyses now, and are absurdly expensive to operate. Companies have started hiring again because they cannot afford the tokenomics.
If the market is efficient, this company will not last.
 
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My question is simply with all the oligarchs hoarding wealth, laying off people, using AI to replace them, taking away any and all medical and social supports, who exactly is going to buy all this technology? From what I'm reading you have companies creating companies to buy their shit and then lend that company money to pay for it and then issuing debt to create more money to create these fake markets.

Meanwhile, the US government is issuing debt in record amounts while pissing off all the countries that would normally buy that debt. And what is SpaceX going to do that will make money that isn't fake? If the government is paying for it, then where is that money coming from? Taxpayers? The middle class barely exists, poor people don't have enough to pay taxes and oligarchs are never going to pay taxes. So businesses? All those closing and going bankrupt?

Every time a hedge fund destroys another business and puts more people out of work, who is going to make up those wages and earnings?

Right now the paper tiger propping up SpaceX is the fact that every ETF and 401K is being forced -- forced -- to buy that shit. What happens if there is a change in government at some point and they decide to pull the rug out from under Musk and his fascists and all those funds dump SpaceX stock overnight?

This has the potential to destroy the world economy and that ain't going to be pretty.

But, good luck with your investments!
an investment has both a discernable and probable pathway to both return of your investment and return on your investment,

Am i the only person who lived through the dot com bubble?
 
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an investment has both a discernable and probable pathway to both return of your investment and return on your investment,

Am i the only person who lived through the dot com bubble?
What does past historical events have to do with current conditions? Every time there is an economic disaster, whether the dot.com crisis or the Fanny Mae/Mac mortgage crisis etc., the government has bailed these industries out by printing more debt. But then covid came along and government had to print even more money and we are all paying for it. But with the erosion of the middle class, the development of a gig economy and the housing crisis, who is going to pay for this latest round of crap these venture capitalists and hedge fund fuckers are promulgating?

You may not be the only person to live through the dot.com bubble, but you seem to be one who didn't learn anything from it.
 

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What does past historical events have to do with current conditions? Every time there is an economic disaster, whether the dot.com crisis or the Fanny Mae/Mac mortgage crisis etc., the government has bailed these industries out by printing more debt. But then covid came along and government had to print even more money and we are all paying for it. But with the erosion of the middle class, the development of a gig economy and the housing crisis, who is going to pay for this latest round of crap these venture capitalists and hedge fund fuckers are promulgating?

You may not be the only person to live through the dot.com bubble, but you seem to be one who didn't learn anything from it.
I think you missed the point. Most of the collapsed dot.com s had no clear path to profitability. And the inevitable happened. And it will happen again.

While I completely agree with you about printing fiat currency, political decisions are an entirely separate matter. And the voters vote for it again and agin. IF the voter had not bought into Trudeau’s fear mongering about the Conservatives some how killing healthcare (while the Liberal debt servicing cost more than the Liberal health funding transfers to the provinces) we would be in a better place now. But the voters got the government and the outcome they voted for again and again. Full stop.

That is why I bought gold bullion at 200 dollars per ounce. Voter stupidity gave me a very nice return, albeit in worthless dollars. 7000 now is maybe worth what 200 was then. How is that not learning anything from it?
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radi...ex-completed-biggest-ipo-history.-yes-economy

Listen from 1:01-10:47

You may be invested in this whether you want to or not. It'll be a part of the index.

In the public filing it talks about "extending the light of consciousness to the stars", putting a million people on Mars, asteroid mining, orbital factories etc.
Fishy as fuck!

(Obtained from AI)
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1. Institutional Investors (70% of Allocation)
The majority of the shares were bought by large institutional investors and asset managers. Roughly 1,000 institutional investors submitted orders, with total demand exceeding $250 billion.

  • Major Buyers: Prominent firms included BlackRock (which reportedly ordered $5 billion worth of shares), Fidelity, Baillie Gifford, T. Rowe Price, Founders Fund, Sequoia Capital, and Andreessen Horowitz.
  • Existing Stakeholders: Early backers like Alphabet (Google) (which invested in 2015) and Valor Equity Partners (led by Antonio Gracias) held significant pre-IPO stakes but did not sell them in the IPO; the offering consisted entirely of new shares issued by SpaceX to raise capital.
2. Retail Investors (20–30% of Allocation)
In a departure from typical IPOs where retail investors receive only 5–10% of shares, SpaceX earmarked roughly 30% ($22.5 billion) for individual investors.

  • Access: Shares were distributed directly through major brokerage platforms including Robinhood, Fidelity, Charles Schwab, SoFi, and E*TRADE.
  • Demand: Retail demand was massive, with over $70 billion in orders placed through these platforms. However, due to oversubscription, most individual investors received only a fraction of the shares they requested (e.g., an investor requesting 1,000 shares might have received only 17).
Institutional investors bought into SpaceX before the public could trade the stock.
  • Institutional Purchase Date: Institutions finalized their purchases on Wednesday, June 11, 2026, when the IPO price was set at $135 per share. Their allocations were confirmed that evening, and funds were committed prior to the market opening the next day.
  • Public Trading Start: The general public (retail investors and public market traders) could only buy and sell shares starting Friday, June 12, 2026, when the stock officially began trading on the Nasdaq under the ticker SPCX.
This means institutional investors secured their shares at the fixed IPO price roughly 12 to 24 hours before the first public trade occurred. While some retail investors were able to place orders through brokers like Robinhood and Fidelity during the pre-market window on June 12, these orders were executed at the opening market price (which surged to ~$161), not the $135 IPO price secured by institutions the day prior.

Based on the official SEC filings (S-1/A) and the final prospectus, here are the critical details regarding the SpaceX IPO structure and risk perspective:

1. The Filing Timeline & Structure
  • Public Filing Date: The initial S-1 was filed publicly on May 20, 2026, with the final pricing amendment (S-1/A) filed on June 3, 2026.
  • Share Classes: The filing established a dual-class structure:
    • Class A (Public): 1 vote per share.
    • Class B (Insiders): 10 votes per share.
  • Control: Despite owning only ~42% of the equity, Elon Musk controls approximately 79–82% of the voting power post-IPO. This designates SpaceX as a "controlled company," exempting it from certain Nasdaq corporate governance requirements (e.g., independent board majority).
2. "Ticking Time Bomb": Dilution Risks
The prospectus highlights significant future dilution risks that were not immediately priced in by Day 6 retail buyers:
  • Mandatory Stock Issuance: To fund the $19.8 billion EchoStar spectrum deal (closing Nov 2027), SpaceX must issue 261.8 million new shares at a fixed price of $42.40, regardless of the current market price.
  • Cursor Acquisition Option: SpaceX holds an option to acquire AI firm Cursor for $60 billion in stock. If exercised by Sept 30, 2026, this would issue roughly 444 million new shares, increasing the share count by ~5% instantly.
  • Authorized Shares: The company has authorized itself to issue over 31 billion additional Class A shares in the future, more than double the current outstanding count.
3. Financial Reality vs. Valuation
  • Immediate Dilution: Investors buying at $135 faced immediate accounting dilution, as the pro forma book value per share was only $7.85. This means 94% of the IPO price was not backed by tangible assets.
  • Profitability: While Starlink generated $4.5 billion in operating profit, the consolidated entity posted a $4.9 billion net loss in 2025 due to massive capital expenditures in xAI and Starship.
  • Debt Load: The filing disclosed $29.1 billion in long-term debt as of March 2026.
4. Allocation Controversy
  • Institutional Priority: The filing confirmed that 100% of the shares sold were new shares issued by the company; no early investors or employees sold their stakes (no "secondary" sales).
  • Allocation Failures: Despite being listed in SEC filings as committed buyers, some international institutions (e.g., Mirae Asset Securities in South Korea) received zero shares due to oversubscription, forcing their clients to buy at the higher open-market price on Day 1.
 
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My question is simply with all the oligarchs hoarding wealth, laying off people, using AI to replace them, taking away any and all medical and social supports, who exactly is going to buy all this technology? From what I'm reading you have companies creating companies to buy their shit and then lend that company money to pay for it and then issuing debt to create more money to create these fake markets.

Meanwhile, the US government is issuing debt in record amounts while pissing off all the countries that would normally buy that debt. And what is SpaceX going to do that will make money that isn't fake? If the government is paying for it, then where is that money coming from? Taxpayers? The middle class barely exists, poor people don't have enough to pay taxes and oligarchs are never going to pay taxes. So businesses? All those closing and going bankrupt?

Every time a hedge fund destroys another business and puts more people out of work, who is going to make up those wages and earnings?

Right now the paper tiger propping up SpaceX is the fact that every ETF and 401K is being forced -- forced -- to buy that shit. What happens if there is a change in government at some point and they decide to pull the rug out from under Musk and his fascists and all those funds dump SpaceX stock overnight?

This has the potential to destroy the world economy and that ain't going to be pretty.

But, good luck with your investments!
I have to wonder when Elon was digging into government books, he didn't come away with his own Epstein data.... Seems like a awful amount of powerful companies and families are buying in.
But Money Funds were spending 250 Million down a piece, to get into SpaceX, before the IPO, without having to seen the debt/books of SpaceX, which these companies would normally do (for the size of investment in Space X, then came the IPO). That there is a very bad indicator of how Controlling Musk is. Musk owns 42% but contains control at 72% (from preexisting sources of money).

At a PE ration of -68 it is a company that is not currently making a profit.
Look at Tesla stock, trading at 398.00/share and has a PE of 363. Meaning it will take longer than you live to make your money back in stock with Tesla. yet people are still buying it.
 
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I have to wonder when Elon was digging into government books, he didn't come away with his own Epstein data.... Seems like a awful amount of powerful companies and families are buying in.
But Money Funds were spending 250 Million down a piece, to get into SpaceX, before the IPO, without having to seen the debt/books of SpaceX, which these companies would normally do (for the size of investment in Space X, then came the IPO). That there is a very bad indicator of how Controlling Musk is. Musk owns 42% but contains control at 72% (from preexisting sources of money).

At a PE ration of -68 it is a company that is not currently making a profit.
Look at Tesla stock, trading at 398.00/share and has a PE of 363. Meaning it will take longer than you live to make your money back in stock with Tesla. yet people are still buying it.
It's a scary situation with what they are doing to the market and the economy along with all the debt they are printing on top of it.

Add in $300 billion for Trump's latest blunder and I wonder when the American economy will start to collapse.

It doesn't need to be a total wipeout, but something like a solid 10-20% and its going to be super ugly.

I wake up every day and ask myself if I should just sell it all. Ugh.
 
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