Police Officer said Sex for Money is Illegal

Foxy_Tasha

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I was speaking to a police officer today concerning the escorting business, and he said that it is not illegal for a woman to be paid to go out on a date and be *arm candy* so to speak. He said what IS illegal is when the woman is paid money and it involves taking her clothes off, even if its at a clients house. (P.S. Is nude modelling illegal then?)

Ive heard that prostitution is legal in Canada. It just matters how you go about it. Sex in public places, soliciting, and bawdy houses are a BIG NO NO. But I thought hotels and a clients private residence is perfectly legal? Why is the cop saying otherwise?
 
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Dark_Knight

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If prostitution were illegal then a lot of marriages would be illegal... and no sex for money itself is not illegal... just a lot of BS surrounding it.
 

bcneil

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I have to agree with the other posters. Cops are not lawyers. They know simple things about the law. Like speeding is bad or shooting people is bad.
When you get into more indepth topics with cops, you will find they lack a lot of legal knowledge, but often make up for it with arrogance and stubborness
 

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I have to agree with the other posters. Cops are not lawyers. They know simple things about the law. Like speeding is bad or shooting people is bad.
When you get into more indepth topics with cops, you will find they lack a lot of legal knowledge, but often make up for it with arrogance and stubborness

LOL... I am actually thinking I would like to be a police officer (when I grow up :p ) but I hear that they give you a lie detector test.... it is okay I am an sp? right? :confused:
 

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It is illegal to sell sex. It is not illegal to sell time.

You pay me for my time, then I fuck you for free. :D

Out calls are legal. In calls are illegal. All the agencies that say, yes you can have a girl that will do this or that are taking a chance getting their business's busted and shut down. All the girls that say, in their ads, I do this or that, for this much money are taking a chance to be arrested.

However this is Canada and the chance of the police actually acting on it are slim.
 

Bobo The Rabbit

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Christ solicitation in public is illegal, how many times will this have to come up? cant someone just sticky this..
Legally anyone can pay anyone for sex.
 
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It is solicitation that is illegal.. not prostitution per se

It is illegal to sell sex. It is not illegal to sell time.

You pay me for my time, then I fuck you for free. :D

Out calls are legal. In calls are illegal. All the agencies that say, yes you can have a girl that will do this or that are taking a chance getting their business's busted and shut down. All the girls that say, in their ads, I do this or that, for this much money are taking a chance to be arrested.

However this is Canada and the chance of the police actually acting on it are slim.
That's my understanding of it. Living off the avails, running a common bawdy house... communicating in public for the purpose of soliciting sex etc.. these are all criminal acts but my understanding that actually exchanging sex for money isn't technically illegal.
 

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That's my understanding of it. Living off the avails, running a common bawdy house... communicating in public for the purpose of soliciting sex etc.. these are all criminal acts but my understanding that actually exchanging sex for money isn't technically illegal.
It is not legal, but it is decriminalized. I think Susie would know more about this than me, though, because she is engaged in an ongoing fight to make it legal. :)
 

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Would knowledgeable perbites comment on my understanding of following situations?

1a. A client in a hotel room and an outcall SP. A hotel room for the client is for temporary use and therefore not 'habitual'. Keeping or being found in a common-bawdy house does not apply. What if the SP is an undercover police officer? I guess if the client does not explicit spell out sex for money, it's all good?
1b. A client in a hotel room for several days and there is one SP visit per day. Would this qualify for 'keeping or being found in a common-bawdy house' since it could be interpreted as 'habitual'?

2a. Similar to (1a), except it's at the client's residence. I am thinking it's okay in this case.
2b. Similar to (1b), except it's at the client's residence. Not sure about this one, as there is no clear definition of 'habitual'

3. Massage parlours. What happens if caught when sex is taking place?

4. Micros. I think the common-bawdy house clause applies here?

5a. Independent SPs' incall that is only for meeting with clients?
5b. Independent SPs' incall that is also their residence?
5c. An incall location that is a hotel room?

6. If I had a GF, either my or her place, I paid her after sex. Would this be illegal?
 
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I was speaking to a police officer today concerning the escorting business, and he said that it is not illegal for a woman to be paid to go out on a date and be *arm candy* so to speak. He said what IS illegal is when the woman is paid money and it involves taking her clothes off, even if its at a clients house. (P.S. Is nude modelling illegal then?)

Ive heard that prostitution is legal in Canada. It just matters how you go about it. Sex in public places, soliciting, and bawdy houses are a BIG NO NO. But I thought hotels and a clients private residence is perfectly legal? Why is the cop saying otherwise?

I think some of them might be hypocrite when they are on a shift wearing an uniform, but when you know them personally in real life it is completely different. I know they are human being like anyone else and they do hire companionship and everyhings that comes with it...etc No need to say more.
 

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Good lord, the exchange of $ for sexual services is completely legal. It isn't a fuzzy grey area, and cannot be stopped by law enforcement in and of itself.

http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html

Under the Canadian Criminal Code:

(1) The act of prostitution is legal, i.e. you CANNOT be arrested for being a prostitute

(2) The practice of independent outcall prostitution is fully protected by Federal law. Third party involvement in solicitation of business or profiting from it is a crime But enforcement varies widely since the attitude is to support individual rights as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

(3) Advertising in public print is protected as a right of free speech which has been upheld by the Canadian Supreme Court. Advertising on television has not yet been tested but the issue is whether its in line with community standards.

(4) An independent outcall escort has the right to discuss specific acts of sex for money in private. Hotel rooms, telephones and private homes. The Canadian Supreme court has ruled that a land based telephone is a private communication. When one places a phone call, they have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that is the test. The same is easily extended to cellular phone communication. One would have to have special equipment to intercept such communication.
 

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Just a suggestion, when discussing the law, you're better off citing judges who decide what the law is, even better is the Supreme Court of Canada, whose statements on what the law actually is are final. Period. Full stop. No further argument permitted.

That said, while I know I've seen the cases of the SCC commenting on the legality of the exchange of money for sex (which is 100% not illegal in Canada), I can't readily find the actual case.

However, keeping a common bawdy house, procuring, soliciting in a public place, living off the avails and so forth are illegal.

See here (in the actual Canadian Criminal Code, a rather decent source law dontcha think?): http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-46/latest/rsc-1985-c-c-46.html .

Read sections 210 to 213. That's the actual law of Canada on prostitution.

This endless drivel about what is and is not legal is annoying. Outcall prostitution is totally, 100% legal (as long as you don't do it in the same place over and over again, and neither does anyone else). Essentially everything else is illegal. However, how LE chooses to enforce the law makes it somewhat grey.

For example in Edmonton, this is the Police's stance on MP's: http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/Commun...on/Prostitution/LegalitiesofProstitution.aspx

Read the paragraph on MP's and what the cops consider to be legal and illegal. Note especially their view on how MP workers can be treated by MP owners:

"Exercising control, direction or influence -- s.212 (1) (h):

Another form of pimping or extorting vulnerable people. If someone exercises control, direction, and influence on where a Sex Trade Worker goes and who a Sex Trade Worker goes with they are committing an illegal act. Escort agencies and massage parlours can be prosecuted under this law. The only way an escort agency or massage parlour can avoid breaking this law is if they allow the escort or masseuse to decide if they want to go to a date without penalizing them for refusing."

Note to the daft out there, you cannot rely on this statement from the police because what the law is a matter of interpretation for a JUDGE to decide not the cops. Of course, if the COPS never CHARGE YOUR STUPID HORNY ASS, you'll never get before a judge now will you? See how the law works? If the cops won't charge it, what the Criminal Code says may be completely fucking irrelevant now isn't it? That said, other police departments (say for example Calgary's) take a completely different view of the law. Notice that there aren't almost 50 massage parlours in Calgary (those poor bastards...)? Gee, I wonder why that is? Plenty of outcall escorts and incall types though (not that I'm that familiar with the Calgary scene). Guess what police forces in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal have decided the law will be? Think about it.... Now do you see?

Everyone fucking happy now?

Christ, the cackling of ignorant geese and petulant chickens is annoying! :mad:

Anyways... I hope I've relieved some of you of your ignorance. You can thank me later.

As for prostitution being legalized, well, this country has long fucking way to go before that happens. Germany has legalized prostitution, Canada has extraordinarily fuzzy laws in the area. The States (most of them anyways) make it crystal fucking clear. You offer your wife or girlfriend money for sex, your shit is going to jail. You do it over the phone, in complete privacy and the authorities find out, your ass is going to jail. Sure the cops enforce it however they like, but the U.S is a country where married couples have been charged and convicted of a crime for engaging in consensual oral sex. (go figure that shit out... I don't care to. Just remind me not to fuck in the U.S. when I'm there lest I break some completely fucking asinine law that's on their books). But remember, prostitution is relatively hard (as aptly demonstrated here) to figure out how to do legally in Canada. Once you got it figured though, it's a piece of cake. Otherwise, you take your chances. I think (for what that's worth, which is a damned sight more than the other commentators I see in here) you're relatively safe, pooning in the approved fashion (approved by the local police force that is) in Canada. However, remember, a pissed off cop can still make your fucking day when you're doing the deed at an MP or wherever else and then it's up to a judge to decide whether you've broken the law or not.

Enuf said...
 

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The Edmonton Police Service has an excellent FAQ on this:
http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/Commun...on/Prostitution/LegalitiesofProstitution.aspx

What is Legal?

The following acts relating to prostitution are not against the law:

Being a prostitute (Sex Trade Worker)

It is not illegal to be a prostitute if you are over 18.

Loitering:


Many business owners who own establishments where Sex Trade Workers congregate are frustrated with why the police cannot simply go and arrest someone who is standing on a corner and is obviously a prostitute. Loitering is not illegal. In the past, Sex Trade Workers could be arrested under vagrancy laws if they were standing for some time on a street corner. These laws were repealed some time ago. Police can only encourage Sex Trade Workers to move from a certain location. They cannot arrest them unless they are doing something illegal.

Supporting family members:

Sex Trade Workers who use their wages to support their children are not committing an illegal act and the children cannot be charged with "living off the avails of prostitution."

Escort agencies:

It is not illegal for an individual to work for an escort agency as long as they are licensed to do so by the city. Further, engaging in non-sexual services while working for the agency is not illegal. For example, an escort who merely accompanies a john, or client, to a social gathering is not doing anything illegal. However, if it is implied that a sex act is available but will cost the client extra and a discussion ensues about price for sexual services, and if the discussion occurs in a public place, then the john and the escort are committing an illegal act (i.e., communication for the purpose of prostitution -- s. 213). If, however, the discussion occurs in a private residence, no offence has been committed.

Massage parlours:

It is not illegal for an individual to work for a massage parlour as long as they are licensed to do so by the city. Further, engaging in non-sexual services while working for the parlour is not illegal. A masseuse who actually just gives massages is not doing anything illegal. Performing sexual services in a massage clinic may be illegal if the police can prove the clinic is a place which has as its purpose prostitution. If it is implied that a sex act is available but will cost the client extra and a discussion ensues about price for sexual services the masseuse and client are committing an illegal act (communication for the purpose of prostitution -- s. 213) unless the discussion occurs in a massage room. In that case, no illegal act has been committed.
 

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LOL... I am actually thinking I would like to be a police officer (when I grow up :p ) but I hear that they give you a lie detector test.... it is okay I am an sp? right? :confused:
When applying to a police force, one of the first questions they ask you on your "personal disclosure questionnaire" under "integrity":rolleyes: is "have you ever obtained the services of a prostitute or escort in Canada or abroad?" They don't, however, ask you "have you ever sold sex for money?" You're safe.:)

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
prostitution is not illegal in canada, communication in a public place and keeping a bawdy house is as well.

so, the traditional picture of a sex worker leaning in the window of a car negotiating terms of employment is illegal....meaning they jump in a car before setting price or sizing the guy up or looking to see if he's got a gun
it's killing street workers so we are challenging that law.

a bawdy house is a place were prostitution takes place in an on going manner,
this is a grey area that makes an indy workers house a brothel...the police rarely apply the law in this way.

the VPD chief was once quoted in the media saying prostitution is illegal. i went as a delgation to the police board and mocked him!:p

PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL BETWEEN 2 CONSENTING ADULTS IN CANADA!!!

thankyou trudeau!!!!
what happens in the bedrooms of the nation is none of the government's business.

love susieXXXO
 

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well said, I LOVE CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See if you like it after this question. When you advertise your services as a driver/chauffeur do you use your car or the clients ?:p
 

bcneil

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When applying to a police force, one of the first questions they ask you on your "personal disclosure questionnaire" under "integrity":rolleyes: is "have you ever obtained the services of a prostitute or escort in Canada or abroad?" They don't, however, ask you "have you ever sold sex for money?" You're safe.:)

Panther
You never know what they might get you for when you apply.

Buddy of mine, wanted to be a cop ever since he was a little boy.
This is how he got screened out.

He was around 20 and joined the army (as he thought this would be good experience to be a cop) so before he left home, he sold his car in the autotrader or whatever. No big deal.

A few months later, the guy he sold the car to was arrested for something.
It turns out they also discovered this guy had thousands of dollars of stolen stereo equipment installed in this car. This guy had a lengthy criminal record, but said he had bought the car with all the stereo stuff already in the car.

So they couldn't do much about that and he wasn't charged. This guy had a huge criminal record, and my friend was perfectly clean. So my friend was not charged either, but had the police come over and talk to him, and take his statement.

After he left the army, he tried to join the rcmp.
He was screened out because of this.
 
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