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westcoast555

Oh.. I know what I'm talking about all right.

LOL fist of all it was THERMITE not C4 so you have no idea what we are even talking about. The fire fighters heard many explosions. I posted video above with audi clips, firemens radios etc. But since your a sheep and you cant face the tough reality, you pick what you WANT to hear.

Why didnt the Beijing hotel collapse. simple qustion since you know so damn much.
Thermite.. C4... where's the proof? So firefighters heard explosions? So what? Lots of things will explode in a place that's being consumed by thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Boilers, pipes, water tanks etc.

The fact is... your whole premise is silly. It's impossible to pull of a stunt like that without anybody knowing and it makes no sense to anybody with half a brain. It's needlessly complicated and impossible to cover up... except to guys like you who are smart enough to figure it out right?

And if somebody questions your implausible conclusions you resort to ad hominem statements. Have you ever heard of 'Occam's Razor?'. Probably not. You need some exposure to critical thinking.. instead of starting with a conclusion and grasping at facts to try and bolster your case.

Ask yourself this one... Why would they go to all the trouble? A simple truck bomb would have sufficed to blame on terrorists.

Furthermore.. what about the subway attacks in London? Were they faked by the British Government? And what's the Beijing hotel got to do with anything?

You simply don't understand the difference between conjecture and evidence.
 

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Thermite.. C4... where's the proof? So firefighters heard explosions? So what? Lots of things will explode in a place that's being consumed by thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Boilers, pipes, water tanks etc.

The fact is... your whole premise is silly. It's impossible to pull of a stunt like that without anybody knowing and it makes no sense to anybody with half a brain. It's needlessly complicated and impossible to cover up... except to guys like you who are smart enough to figure it out right?

And if somebody questions your implausible conclusions you resort to ad hominem statements. Have you ever heard of 'Occam's Razor?'. Probably not. You need some exposure to critical thinking.. instead of starting with a conclusion and grasping at facts to try and bolster your case.

Ask yourself this one... Why would they go to all the trouble? A simple truck bomb would have sufficed to blame on terrorists.

Furthermore.. what about the subway attacks in London? Were they faked by the British Government? And what's the Beijing hotel got to do with anything?

You simply don't understand the difference between conjecture and evidence.
You think 1 truck bomb would bring down 3 towers?

Its not impossible, PLENTY OF PEOPLE KNOW!!! Buildings falling from FIRES is IMPOSSIBLE. Go talk to an architect.

Do you know what was in WTC7? FBI NSA DEA CIA etc. A spook building. Not to mention scare the americans and the world that theres anew enemy that cant always be seen. Muslim extremists that can sneak around and fly planes into buildings.

Do you check under your bed for al qaeda before you go to sleep?

Why cant you find anymore buildings that collapsed from fires?

Why not show more video of whatever it was that hit the pentagon?

Why did BBC report WTC7 fell 10 mins before it did LIVE on TV?

Grow up and get a life airhead.

You dont believe in global warming, so HOW can all these scientists and governments be so into the the scheme if its so obviously wrong? The same goes for 911.
 

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wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami....[/URL]
In reference to my previous posting, partially quoted above, LB and your kind on here; I figured you would avoid addressing the above expert testimony, as you cannot, you have not the ability nor the expertise. All you can do is post links, mostly unrelated. You would never survive a scholarly in - person formal debate, nor a contest on the subject in the format of a formal courtroom. In the first case, the scholars would tear you apart, in the second, the lawyers would do likewise. Your methods are entirely flawed and easily defeated in any credible, respected format. You get away with it on here simply by flaunting 'ignore'/blind-eye/deafness, and ignorance, simultaneously.

So let's review, this is who you are, and remember,
"Denial is not a river in Egypt" :

quoting a previous posting in reference to you, again:

you need to get off the soap-box internet and go and experience real demolitions experts. Because it is apparent that someone has to physically put your nose into the facts -much like forcing an untrainable dog to smell his own shit on the carpet- before you will 'get it', (and "wake up', as you love to say).

You have sooo proven that this is you. The dog metaphor.



And please, go and learn the difference between "your", and "you're".
It really adds to your credibility when you're able to differentiate and articulate the two.

Cheers.
 
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In reference to my previous posting, partially quoted above, LB and your kind on here, I figured you would avoid addressing the above expert testimony, as you cannot, yo have not the ability nor the expertise. All you can do is post links, mostly unrelated. You would never survive a scholarly inperson debate, nor a contest on the subject in the format of a formal courtroom. In the first case, the scholars would tear you apart, in the second, the lawyers woould do likewise. Your methods are flawed and easily defeated in any credible, respectabed format.

So let's review, this is who you are, and remember,
"Denial is not a river in Egypt".

quoting a previous posting in reference to you, again:

you need to get off the soap-box internet and go and experience real demolitions experts. Because it is apparent that someone has to physically put your nose into the facts -much like forcing an untrainable dog to smell his own shit on the carpet- before you will 'get it', (and "wake up', as you love to say).

You have sooo proven that this is you. The dog metaphor.

It's almost like the Superman comics. lighthead lives in bizzarro world.



When you think about it, the real sad thing here is not that lighthead has his beliefs, for those he is entitled to have. It's that he still has the overwhelming desire to post on this forum, even though his postings and logic, if you can call it that, have been debunked from so many sources, from well respected journals and publications, to the NIST Report and post report follow ups to it.

I know lighthead, they were all in on it.

Not a single oz. of logic. Not even a spec.
 

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In reference to my previous posting, partially quoted above, LB and your kind on here; I figured you would avoid addressing the above expert testimony, as you cannot, you have not the ability nor the expertise. All you can do is post links, mostly unrelated. You would never survive a scholarly in - person formal debate, nor a contest on the subject in the format of a formal courtroom. In the first case, the scholars would tear you apart, in the second, the lawyers would do likewise. Your methods are entirely flawed and easily defeated in any credible, respected format. You get away with it on here simply by flaunting 'ignore'/blind-eye/deafness, and ignorance, simultaneously.

So let's review, this is who you are, and remember,
"Denial is not a river in Egypt" :

quoting a previous posting in reference to you, again:

you need to get off the soap-box internet and go and experience real demolitions experts. Because it is apparent that someone has to physically put your nose into the facts -much like forcing an untrainable dog to smell his own shit on the carpet- before you will 'get it', (and "wake up', as you love to say).

You have sooo proven that this is you. The dog metaphor.



And please, go and learn the difference between "your", and "you're".
It really adds to your credibility when you're able to differentiate and articulate the two.

Cheers.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...1qcvSvLNJKGyqAPhiLH7CA&q=japan+diet+911&hl=en

Are you sayiing the Japanese are crazy???
 

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Yea buildingS ALWAYS collapse into there own footprints like a controlled demo, but from random fires!? Always happens!? ONLY YOU KIDS CANT FIND 1 EXAMPLE AND POST IT HERE.
how many times has a jetliner intentionally flown into a 100 storey building in the past couple of hundred years...

kind of hard to find comparable scenarios:rolleyes: ...
 

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How many times have I said it you troll? THEY HAVE REAL ENEMIES LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA!!!

But since those arent middle eastern countries, have to make up somethig to justify an occupation. Like 911.
China funds the US military in the form of US government bond purchases. Trillions of dollars worth of bond purchases.
 

LightBearer

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April 21, 2009 8:46 AM

wardogs said...

Thank you Ron for both your patience and equanimity in dealing with this subject.

I am owner and trainer of a K9 training and deployment company in FL. We have been breeding, training and deploying our purpose bred explosive detection and SAR dogs for over 40 years as well as training K9's for the Military, LE and private industry.

In addition we are a FEMA Incident Response Team/First Responder K9 unit for FEMA Task Force II, Miami.

It was in the latter capacity that we were went to NY on 9/11 as part of the FL Task Force, arriving on scene about 3 1/2 hours after the second tower fell. We went with 4 of our dogs and handlers. Our main function was US&R, live person, (not cadaver search) but all of our dogs are cross trained in several disciplines, including EDD and Incendiary detection. In addition, of the over 300 K9 teams that came from all over the world, there were more than 70 other EDD K9's present on site. This is on top of the 6 full time EDD dogs employed full time at the WTC site, 3 of which I had trained personally. Besides the presence of the normal team that patrolled in shifts 24/7, there had been an ADDITIONAL team of 16 explosives interdiction K9's on duty for several weeks prior to the attack. They were there in response to bomb threats against the center (unrelated) and had only been removed 5 days prior to the attack. 6 of those dogs were also trained by our company.

No explosives or incendiary devices were planted anywhere in that complex. None. Our dogs and the other EDD K9's would have alerted after the fact as well. It's what they are trained for. We staged for the two weeks we were there at the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island. This is where much of the structural steel was brought. Despite rumors to the contrary, chain of custody was maintained and virtually all of the steel was cataloged and vital pieces were inspected. Not a single dog ever alerted to the presence of either explosives or incendiary residue.
Not one.

Two K9's were lost at 9/11 and dozens more injured. One was our lead dog and the other was one of our trainees, EDD dog "Sirius".

Sirius was K9 Officer #17 of the Port Authority Police Dept. He had just finished his rounds with his handler, David Lim on the morning of the attack. When the first plan hit David placed him in his Kennel in the basement of Tower II while he investigated what had happened. He was still there when the tower came down.

Our dog "Ali'i" was lost on Sept 13th while attempting to find a way through the tunnels under building 6 into the subway system under the complex. He was carrying a video pack and VA radio and was trapped when 6 suffered a partial collapse from fire. It wasn't until the following Dec that 6 was pulled down and the basement of Tower II was cleared to the point where the body of Sirius was found. They had a full memorial service for him. Ali'i was never found.

I'm not a scientist, but I am an expert on explosives/incendiaries, their use and detection bothbefore andafter detonation. I've testified as an expert witness more than 70 times at court proceedings on explosives detection, K9 training protocol and K9 scent differrention capability.

No explosives or incendiaries were present at the Trade Center on 9/11.

Thermite has never been used in demolition, ever. It has been used occasionally in clean up, but never as an instigator for controlled demolition.

The procces of controlled demolition itself is one that takes many weeks to prepare. the buildings undergo extensive preparations, and the demolitions are painstakenly placed in strategic positions. Remember also that 6 full time explosive detection dogs were on 24 hour patrol in shifts, 7 days a week. In addition, until just 5 days before, 16 additional dogs were working the Center in response to bomb threats from two weeks prior to that.

Walls are ripped apart and knocked down, beams are cut, holes are bored, wires are run to detonators. Here is a description of the work needed to take down a much smaller, 33 story building, the J.L. Hudson Department Store in Detroit. It was the largest (by square footage) building to be imploded at the time of 9/11. Keep in mind, this is just the amount of time needed to emplace the explosives, not to prepare the building in the first place:

Controlled demolitions Inc.
J.L. Hudson Department Store - Detroit, Michigan
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120

"...In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 “primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum..."

Before the placement started, more than a month of "prep" was involved that included removal of non load bearing walls, exposure of structural beams and stripping of all internal walls and supports.

I guess no one at the WTC noticed all that work going on.

wardogs

(Note: posted from same reference link from above previous poster) :

http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/final-word-on-niels-harrit-nanothermite.html
This debunks your post. IT HAS PICS OF THE THERMITE in normal experiments then WTC dust to compare.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
 

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UMMMMM WTC7 wasn't hit by planes :rolleyes:
no, it was damaged by the debris of the two towers which were hit by planes:rolleyes:...

I can't recall any other situations where two one hundred storey buildings collapsed to determine if that is not a plausible outcome...
 

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no, it was damaged by the debris of the two towers which were hit by planes:rolleyes:...

I can't recall any other situations where two one hundred storey buildings collapsed to determine if that is not a plausible outcome...
Yes it was, this pic shows it. About 22 stories high, 9 windows wide.
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/Bankers.jpg
Yet it fell in its own foot print at free fall speed.

Meanwhile this sustained more damage for longer and is still standing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hSPFL2Zlpg

No a tower didnt scrape the side out of it but the ENTIRE structure was effected. FOR LONGER
 

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Doesnt sound like real enemies to me. China and US relationship, COKE VS PEPSI
Russia and the USA always have tension. China is a threat due to its military power which could be just as good as the USA. Chinese subs sneaking up on battleships.
 

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Russia and the USA always have tension. China is a threat due to its military power which could be just as good as the USA. Chinese subs sneaking up on battleships.
Yeah just like COKE VS PEPSI.

Now muslims on the other hand, are real enemies. They continue to display their primal hate toward other societies.
 
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