You simple minded, know nothing pissant. I 've worked with C4, stick, 70%, anflo, prill, primercord, tapefuse. You may have thrown a few fire crackers. Demolition work is kids stuff. Try moving mountains. I once set off 70,000 lbs of prill. I also have a blasting certificate. So try and feed your bullshit to people who don't know any better.Miners have been blowing up mountains when, demolitions was only wreaking balls.YOU USE SOME COMMON SENSE,if you have any, which I doubt, if you buy that CIA, Bush BS.
9/11 Mysteries - A Look At The Controlled Demolition Of The World Trade Center
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Assumption.
Lazy? Research? I was a grad student, jackass. Hence my displeasure with youtube et al being touted as trustworthy, academic sources of research. I'm amazed at how consumed people get with some conspiracist issue, but have no idea about the historical structures or developments underlying that same issue.
Understanding an event and making an informed decision doesn't mean that you rely soley on every alternative news source you can google. You want to become informed? Study post-WWII history; study the institutions put in place since; look at global political economy. Then make an informed decision based on fact, historical trajectory and current discourse. You base a whole argument on what you readily find at your fingertips before asking how valid/biased that info is.
See the difference? None of this says that alternative theories of 9/11 are wrong, but any good argument needs to be tempered by sources other than free-for-all (electronic) public-domain nonsense.
See above.
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All I know is that a month ago I was laughing at the conspiracy theorists, now, not so much. It all started with that stupid Zeitgeist movie and snowballed from there. I was so comfortable in my blissful ignorance too
What is the point you're trying to make here? I'm simple minded because a guy who worked with C4, stick, 70%, anflo, prill, primercord, tapefuse who thinks demolition work is 'kids stuff' says so? Throw in some logical points.
Have you worked on demolition of a multi-story buildings located in the middle of many other surrounded buildings? And you guys only planted bombs in the bottom of the building? Is that what you are saying?
God... there must had been some serious casualties and damages. Were you in charge? Did you not get fired for doing it so recklessly?
Wasn't assumption. Was my sarcastic parody for you based on the assumption you made on my statements previously.
Let's talk some stereotypes here. First of all, nobody here stupidly claimed that youtube is trustworthy. That's like saying "newspapers are trustworthy." Because sometime they are, and sometimes they aren't. Same goes for any other source of information. And you seem to be saying that 'Youtube et al' cannot be an academic source of information just because they're public-domain, free-for-all? You must have graduated that university like 100 years ago. There is no such thing as good source or bad source. There are only valid claims and invalid claims. No matter where you encounter information only the ones followed by hard evidence to support the claim are valid. It doesn't matter whether it's from youtube or google video. I think you need to get that preconception/stereotype out of your head first.
Those internet sources are just extremely comprehensive carriers of valid information as well as BS. Some of those have valid claims and question what's supposed to be questioned yet unanswered. Some of those have nothing but saying "Bush is pulling all the strings!!! 9/11 is inside job!!!" and provide nothing else. Have you only seen the latter so far?
I don't think you've watched any good documentaries made by careful investigations and speculations by experts. Because if you have, and still thinking this is just another silly conspiracy theory trend, you must have some good counter points against the common questions raised. Yet you haven't provided anything at all and just keep on blabbering about how silly 'theorists' are. Please make some points so we can debate about specific incidents and questions.
I've already done my part a little by stating some questions.
How about we get specific and you tell me why you think those are BS?
Let me throw in a very very simple-to-understand example for those who just don't get it and not willing to.
Let's change a subject just for a minute for a cute little quiz.
Picture below is a classic symbol of Fascism.
Branches tied by rope represents united citizens supporting military dictatorship(represented as a axe-blade).
Hatchet.
Mussolini first used it as his symbol of power in Italy.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's adopted it as well.
And here's another one.
In US Congress...
It's been there since very long ago.
George Washington with it.
Abraham Lincoln with it.
US National Guard don't mind it.
US Senate like it too...
In fact, nobody cared...
Now...
If someone goes "Hey! Why is that symbol of fascism all over our country of liberty? WTF?!? I want explanations! Something fishy is going on here!" Would you label him as another conspiracy theorist? If so, why?
For those who would will need to do one of the following:
1) Prove that this symbol is not a symbol of Fascism
2) Prove that the US versions are not identical to the original symbol of Fascism although similar and carry different meaning (thus same as 1).
3) Prove that these pictures are fakes.
hmm.. what else.. well I'm sure you got my point regardless.
The same goes for 9/11 matter.
As far as I see it there're hard, documented, interviewed evidences to support the conspiracy claims plus the questions about so many coincidences(with near 0 probability) happened related to 9/11. And yet people are flaming at those who question and claim and investigate while not willing to, if not incapable of, logically criticize and discuss. It's utterly disgusting work to get those people's mind open, because they just won't open. People try so hard not to believe what they don't want to believe and not to question what they don't want to know about.
Let's change a subject just for a minute for a cute little quiz.
Picture below is a classic symbol of Fascism.
Branches tied by rope represents united citizens supporting military dictatorship(represented as a axe-blade).
Hatchet.
Mussolini first used it as his symbol of power in Italy.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's adopted it as well.
And here's another one.
In US Congress...
It's been there since very long ago.
George Washington with it.
Abraham Lincoln with it.
US National Guard don't mind it.
US Senate like it too...
In fact, nobody cared...
Now...
If someone goes "Hey! Why is that symbol of fascism all over our country of liberty? WTF?!? I want explanations! Something fishy is going on here!" Would you label him as another conspiracy theorist? If so, why?
For those who would will need to do one of the following:
1) Prove that this symbol is not a symbol of Fascism
2) Prove that the US versions are not identical to the original symbol of Fascism although similar and carry different meaning (thus same as 1).
3) Prove that these pictures are fakes.
hmm.. what else.. well I'm sure you got my point regardless.
The same goes for 9/11 matter.
As far as I see it there're hard, documented, interviewed evidences to support the conspiracy claims plus the questions about so many coincidences(with near 0 probability) happened related to 9/11. And yet people are flaming at those who question and claim and investigate while not willing to, if not incapable of, logically criticize and discuss. It's utterly disgusting work to get those people's mind open, because they just won't open. People try so hard not to believe what they don't want to believe and not to question what they don't want to know about.
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someone is completely niave you are comparing blowing up mountains to buildings thats like comparing apples and oranges. I wonder how they would put someone so stupid in charge of something that dangerous I guess no loss if you get blown up. You ever even watched discovery channel before? when they demo buildings they plant the bombs in a way so that the building will colapse onitself with minimal damage to sorounding buildings. Do you think they just blast a building and blow the whole block up? it isn't like a mountain where your in the middle of no where and can blast rock which ever way it goes. The way the building colapsed there is no way a fire would make it fall that nicely and all at the same time its obviously a bomb . The fire wasn't even big enough or hot enough to melt the steel core. Anyways my concern is more with the us/canada going into a depression again than 9/11 . The war is just made for banks to make profit. The depression is made so that the banks can buy whatever they want for dirt cheap.
I'm still missing your point. You say to prove the US versions are not the same as the original. Do you mean Mussolini was the first to use it? I'm no history expert but I'm pretty sure Abe and George were around alot earlier than him, were they the original fascists? Personally I don't think it has that much meaning associated with it, kinda like the "In God we trust" displayed in congress...obviously that doesn't mean shit! You can question that the sky is blue, it's not really. Perception is very subjective, things usually look different depending on who's eyes you're looking at it with. Believe what you want, it's all good. It's when you force you're beliefs on others that makes you look like a radical zealot, and they are not usually very believable or reliable.Let me throw in a very very simple-to-understand example for those who just don't get it and not willing to.
Let's change a subject just for a minute for a cute little quiz.
Picture below is a classic symbol of Fascism.
Branches tied by rope represents united citizens supporting military dictatorship(represented as a axe-blade).
Hatchet.
Mussolini first used it as his symbol of power in Italy.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's adopted it as well.
And here's another one.
In US Congress...
It's been there since very long ago.
George Washington with it.
Abraham Lincoln with it.
US National Guard don't mind it.
US Senate like it too...
In fact, nobody cared...
Now...
If someone goes "Hey! Why is that symbol of fascism all over our country of liberty? WTF?!? I want explanations! Something fishy is going on here!" Would you label him as another conspiracy theorist? If so, why?
For those who would will need to do one of the following:
1) Prove that this symbol is not a symbol of Fascism
2) Prove that the US versions are not identical to the original symbol of Fascism although similar and carry different meaning (thus same as 1).
3) Prove that these pictures are fakes.
hmm.. what else.. well I'm sure you got my point regardless.
The same goes for 9/11 matter.
As far as I see it there're hard, documented, interviewed evidences to support the conspiracy claims plus the questions about so many coincidences(with near 0 probability) happened related to 9/11. And yet people are flaming at those who question and claim and investigate while not willing to, if not incapable of, logically criticize and discuss. It's utterly disgusting work to get those people's mind open, because they just won't open. People try so hard not to believe what they don't want to believe and not to question what they don't want to know about.
I believe your a little confused as to what an explosion is. You could say the building 'exploded' into flames. As it was quickly engulfed. But in order for fuel to exploded it has to be under pressure in some sort of a closed environment. Like in the cylinder of a car. When jet fuel is burned in open air it burns at 287.5 C or 410 F. Under open burning conditions there was no explosion caused by the jet fuel. Look at the videos again and you'll see it was just the fuel from the plane burning.
Go back to buying used cars as you know nothing about explosives.The WTC were taken down by jets.All the other explanations have been proven wrong. I'd love to be selling cars to you as you'll buy any BS by the sound of it.I've got a 1975 pinto with a new gas tank, for you only $10,000. Drive in Van you'll learn about explosions in a very short time.
You're certain about that yes? If so, why? Oh yes that's right, because the 'reliable' media says so and you're an arrogant know it all ass wipe
Have they?
I don't think there's any doubt that 2 planes were flown into the twin towers (obviously, duh) but the doubt surrounds the falling thereof and the strange and bizarre happenings in and around NYC and the US days/weeks before and after 9/11.
Some of it just doesn't add up. C4 experience or not.
Anyone here care to explain the actual size of the hole in the Pentagon?
Some of it just doesn't add up. C4 experience or not.
Anyone here care to explain the actual size of the hole in the Pentagon?
I would not say there is no chance this was a conspiracy. It's just that to pull something off of these epic proportions seems too hard to believe. There would have to be alot of people involved, I doubt if the brains of the operation have the means to personally plant the explosives. This would have had to be planned for years and if they are so smart surely they would have realized the consequences would lead to where we are now, not such a fruitful result don't ya think. Wheres the benefit, who is profitting from it. We are all in a mess. If they are so smart to conspire something like this surely theres enough intelligence to solve the worlds problems instead of making them worse.
You are just another ''mark'' God I wish I didn't sell that bridge last week with that pinto. Good thing for you that this is internet as that last comment would be a very painfull experiance for you.I know what I saw. I don't need anyone least of all a goof like you to tell me anything. Your a salesmens dream, young dumb and full of bull.Live life a little longer beore you try and teach a old dog like me any new tricks.I bark but watch out I still know how to bite.You're certain about that yes? If so, why? Oh yes that's right, because the 'reliable' media says so and you're an arrogant know it all ass wipe
Have they?
Let's not get too serious about that post. I was just trying to get people to start thinking/talking logically, which you're clearly doing.
Here's Wiki version of info on the symbol:
The symbol of fascism, in its original Italian incarnation under Benito Mussolini, and which gave fascism its name, was the fasces. This is an ancient Roman symbol of power carried by lictors in front of magistrates: a bundle of sticks, which included an axe indicating the power over life and death.
Until the adaptation of the fasces by the Italian fascists it had in modern times been a symbol used by Italian political organizations of various political ideologies (ranging from socialists to nationalists) called Fascio ("leagues") as a symbol of strength through unity. However, the adoption of the fasces by the Italian fascists has not completely tainted the symbol by association and the symbol appears on, among other things, the seal of the United States Senate, the coat of arms of France, the wall of the debating chamber of the United States House of Representatives and the coat of arms of the Swiss Canton of St.Gallen.
And some info about George Washington's statue:
...This impressive bronze equestrian portrait of George Washington (1732–1799), the first president of the United States, is the oldest sculpture in the New York City Parks collection. It was modeled by Henry Kirke Brown (1814–1886) and dedicated in 1865....
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/hs_historical_sign.php?id=12322
So with just a little bit of research you can easily find out that the statue was actually made even before Mussolini was born although the symbol itself can be traced back to ancient Rome.
By the way, George Washington was indeed a very fascist person. But that's another story.
The seal of US Senate as far as I know also dates back to pre-1900 which is probably prior to Musolinni's power. and on...
So... what was I ultimately trying to say here?
this...
WHY DON'T PEOPLE APPLY THE SAME LOGIC TO 9/11 AND THINK WITH COMMON SENSE.
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WRONG. It was officially stated that the FIRE started by the jet fuel from the planes melted down the structure of the buildings which caused them to collapse. Jets=NO. The Fire from the Jets=YES. <----- IMPORTANT
Taken down by the jets? Is that what you were thinking mick? ..and you call yourself an explosive expert...
Now let's think some logic again.
The majority of the freakin' jet fuel from the planes were actually burnt away during the crash fumming out of the building. The whole world saw that. If you've ever watched the footage of the fire fighters talking in radio transmission you will hear them saying that the fire is not that serious and extinguishable. Then shortly after you'll hear them saying they just heard bomb explosions everywhere. For f*$% sake, go watch some of the footage and documentaries before posting anything.
Another point of logic.
Have you heard of any high-rise building in anywhere through out the world that collapsed because of fire? You probably haven't. Why? Because there haven't been one for at least past 50 years! Some of the buildings burned for 3 days straight. None collapsed. Now you're telling me the World Trade Centre collapsed to ground zero because of fire of extremely short period? Common sense needed.
ALL the experts and scientists claimed that there is no chance that fire have caused the collapse. Shortly after, they flip flop on their claim. One by one. It's so obvious...
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Thanks for the history lesson, very educating.
I work in an industry that believes there is no such thing as common sense, it has to be taught and constantly trained. I of course strongly disagree. I thought my post below demonstrated that I'm thinking with common sense. I'm not against the theory so much, I just think it is much too difficult to execute. It's not like some guy on a grassy knoll.
I don't think anyone actually CARES, but it makes for somewhat interesting debate instead of simply talking tits and ass ALL day every day
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