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[praxis]

Don't get hung up on the numbers. . .

because I'm just using them to drive several points:

a) these SP's earn a lot of money in very short time (like winning a lottery) and

b) without the proper money management skills and discipline, would adjust their lifestyles (i.e. spending habits) to match the suddent increased income (instead of saving most of it), which in turn

c) would make it very tough to move on to a regular lifestyle if and when they choose to leave the business - thus making them (i.e. forcing them to be) dependent on the SP business way past their prime. Very few(?) SP's have the education, skills, time nor the energy to become surgeons or lawyers or CEO's of million/billion dollar corporations to continue earning the type of "salaries" that these professions earn. However, the wise ones who have saved their money can use it to invest and/or further their education for a better future outside the industry.

The numbers I've quoted are for illustration purposes only and therefore not very important to the discussion as I was only using them to illustrate my point. Now if you want to argue about their incomes as a function of time (i.e. time that they have been in the business) - I can show you that, too...the numbers I have shown you is just a "snapshot" of what a busy SP can earn when she starts out in the business. It eventually decreases over time as several factors come into play.

I hope this ends the discussion for this thread because that's about as clear as I could get.

The wise SP's all know what I'm talking about. . .I don't think I'm going to get an argument from them.

 

[Vienna]

Sorry, but why does any of this really matter? lol I don't think any of the girls I have worked/work with are sitting around discussing/averaging out all of our clients weekly/monthly/yearly incomes.

We are here to please you not do discuss pay and mathematics.

You all know every girl is different with that being said there is a different amount to be made...but who really cares? Just like any other job...people sometimes make a different amount of money

Enjoy the lovely, skilled ladies of E-TOWN boys!

 

[mookster]

Sorry, but why does any of this really matter?

It doesn't!
Guys... just worry about what you make (and, what you spend!)
The rest of this curiousity is just pointless B.S.

 

[mikael]

Maybe we're all envious of all that cash income, damn just thinking what I could do with that kind of scratch

 

[Vienna]

It's not always "easy" money. Any money made in this world by whatever job or trade has it's risks. Whether I'm an SP, drug dealer, oilworker, CEO of some large corporation. They are take have their ups and downs. Please understand and remember we are putting our whole being at risk everytime we are in that room with a client. Which is another reason why some a**holes like to get "discounts". Wow this isn't McDonald's dude. lol Have a good night all.

That is all.

 

[Vienna]

Toomuchfun, I forgot to say you have it dead on. You have it pretty much dead on the nose. It will wear you out more than most physically demanding jobs, because it is a HUGE mental job as well. Which is why many SPs you will see take many "breaks" or vacations. If we didn't, we'd be tired or sick all the time. Mental health is a huge concern as we are like give our ALL when we are with you gentlemen. Well the girls who actually care about their clients do.

 

[69guy]

why is everyone so worried about what the girls make. if they are in the group of SP's yes they do well. and if thats all anyone cares about then stop seeing the girls. i agree with everything Vienna said. it is no ones business how much they make in a year. yes a lot of them do very well i am guessing, but they also have bills. everyone has bills. can we just drop this subject, as it is none of our business. what each girl makes is their business. no one else business.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Easy Money?

As Ive said before after a little "chat" with one of my faves. I made the 'mistake" of saying "easy money". She then gave about five good reasons of the top of her pretty head about why it was at times anything but easy. Its fast money. Thinking about what she said I cant imagine myself having the level of professionalism she maintains day in and day out. I still have to here a bad word said about her. Treat your girls nice and have found it returns itself.

 

[Mick Shagher]

My Opinion

The money is there and it's a lot. I know you say it's very hard. Most
of the guys on this board work very hard, but no way they make even
near what a good sp can make.

I couldn't agree more. I don't think any SP should come on this board and complain that she's not making enough money in this buisness. I can't think of very many other occupations out there that has it's rewards like this one. Of course any gal always has the option of starting another carrer if she's not happy with this one. As if that's going to happen.


Any intellegent SP out there would only have to work a few years if she was smart enough to save the majority of her earnings and make some wise investments. And I don't think you necessarily have to be the most busy gal in town to do it.

On the other hand I have no sympathy for any dude who comes on here and bitchs and complains how he gave some gal $300-$350 up front and then only got a 30 minute session with no extras. Think with the big head!
There are plenty of wonderful and reputable SPs out there who will show you a great time for $200-$250. Do your research and make absolutely sure what is on the menu.

Don't the rest of you find it strange that these out of town girls are happy to charge $160-$200 where the're from, but demand $300-$350 from us for the same services? What's with that? Trouble is there are guys here who are willing to pay it. Are we all rich oil tycoons in Alberta? And then of course the local girls see that and they want the same. Where does it end?

The bottom line is any SP has the right to demand what she thinks she is worth and what the market will bare. Just like it is our right as a consumer to decide what we feel is a fair price and what we are comfortable in paying. As far as I'm concerned with 40+ MPs out there and numerous visiting escorts, it's still a buyers market out there. It's time to take advantage of it.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

because I'm just using them to drive several points:

a) these SP's earn a lot of money in very short time (like winning a lottery) and

b) without the proper money management skills and discipline, would adjust their lifestyles (i.e. spending habits) to match the suddent increased income (instead of saving most of it), which in turn

c) would make it very tough to move on to a regular lifestyle if and when they choose to leave the business - thus making them (i.e. forcing them to be) dependent on the SP business way past their prime. Very few(?) SP's have the education, skills, time nor the energy to become surgeons or lawyers or CEO's of million/billion dollar corporations to continue earning the type of "salaries" that these professions earn. However, the wise ones who have saved their money can use it to invest and/or further their education for a better future outside the industry.

The numbers I've quoted are for illustration purposes only and therefore not very important to the discussion as I was only using them to illustrate my point. Now if you want to argue about their incomes as a function of time (i.e. time that they have been in the business) - I can show you that, too...the numbers I have shown you is just a "snapshot" of what a busy SP can earn when she starts out in the business. It eventually decreases over time as several factors come into play.

I hope this ends the discussion for this thread because that's about as clear as I could get.

The wise SP's all know what I'm talking about. . .I don't think I'm going to get an argument from them.

Except you keep using these numbers to support a claim that a "good" SP can make all this "easy" money.

I am disputing the case by refuting your claim about the ammount that you are extrapolating to.

In all seriousness I would guess there are maybe 2 SPs in Edmonton that cleared more than 100k last year.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

Your last post made a lot of sense but I still have to agree with Praxis.
The money is there and it's a lot. I know you say it's very hard. Most
of the guys on this board work very hard, but no way they make even
near what a good sp can make.
What you girls can put away in one year it would take the average guy
on this board ten years.

Moneymaker, serious question, if I offered offered you $1,000 would you let Vienna fuck you in the ass hard for say 20 minutes with a strap on???

If the answer is no, my question is why not.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

I couldn't agree more. I don't think any SP should come on this board and complain that she's not making enough money in this buisness. I can't think of very many other occupations out there that has it's rewards like this one. Of course any gal always has the option of starting another carrer if she's not happy with this one. As if that's going to happen.


Any intellegent SP out there would only have to work a few years if she was smart enough to save the majority of her earnings and make some wise investments. And I don't think you necessarily have to be the most busy gal in town to do it.

On the other hand I have no sympathy for any dude who comes on here and bitchs and complains how he gave some gal $300-$350 up front and then only got a 30 minute session with no extras. Think with the big head!
There are plenty of wonderful and reputable SPs out there who will show you a great time for $200-$250. Do your research and make absolutely sure what is on the menu.

Don't the rest of you find it strange that these out of town girls are happy to charge $160-$200 where the're from, but demand $300-$350 from us for the same services? What's with that? Trouble is there are guys here who are willing to pay it. Are we all rich oil tycoons in Alberta? And then of course the local girls see that and they want the same. Where does it end?

The bottom line is any SP has the right to demand what she thinks she is worth and what the market will bare. Just like it is our right as a consumer to decide what we feel is a fair price and what we are comfortable in paying. As far as I'm concerned with 40+ MPs out there and numerous visiting escorts, it's still a buyers market out there. It's time to take advantage of it.

Are you clueless, 1) what does she spend to work in edmonton. Probably an extra $250 per day with hotel and expenses, plus a flight. She has to cover those costs to work in our city.

You like to go on and on about what the market will bare, but you seem to forget the fact that said SP needs to decide to let you fuck her for around $200 - $250, and you refuse to acknowledge what has to go into the process that even allows her to make that decision. In all honesty do you really beleive that it is a pleasure for every SP that you see.

CMON. SOme are biting there lip and calculating the payback per minute, whether they are pretending to enjoy it or not.

Now before you take it personally, it is like that with every single client at some point or another with every SP. It is not a lifestyle for them, it is a JOB.

Except me ofcourse .

 

[Mick Shagher]

In all honesty do you really beleive that it is a pleasure for every SP that you see.

CMON. SOme are biting there lip and calculating the payback per minute, whether they are pretending to enjoy it or not.

Believe it or not there are actually girls out there who enjoy what they are doing. Yes, they are the minority, but it's those SPs that make this hobby worthwhile.

Dude, to me it sounds like you've encountered too many of the many rip-off artists out there and have become synical and jaded. Better luck in the future.

 

[praxis]

I agree that the mental aspect . . .

It will wear you out more than most physically demanding jobs, because it is a HUGE mental job as well. Which is why many SPs you will see take many "breaks" or vacations. If we didn't, we'd be tired or sick all the time. Mental health is a huge concern as we are like give our ALL when we are with you gentlemen. Well the girls who actually care about their clients do.

takes a big toll on the SP's - However, there are professions out there that also take a huge mental (let alone physical) toll on the individual: firefighters who put out fires and expose themselves to dangers of collapsing buildings and explosions and toxic substances that would someday kill them by cancer, beat cops who are regularly exposed to the dangers on the street (being shot or exposed to HIV-positive people, etc.) and lastly our soldiers in Afghanistan (and other theaters of operation) who are exposed to the dangers of being in a war zone.

All these people expose themselves to physical and mental dangers much much greater than what SP's are faced with and yet are compensated at fractions of what SP's make. In addition, they don't have as many breaks or vacations that SP's do, either. I don't think you can question the dedication of the men and women who serve in these professions and similar professions - they do care a lot for the people they serve just as much (if not more).

I can continue on and on, but I hope you get my point.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

Believe it or not there are actually girls out there who enjoy what they are doing. Yes, they are the minority, but it's those SPs that make this hobby worthwhile.

Dude, to me it sounds like you've encountered too many of the many rip-off artists out there and have become synical and jaded. Better luck in the future.

Actually no I have very very few bad sessions. I have seen all the best SPs in the city plent of times. I am a mid 30's guy attractive enough, clean, well groomed, adequately endowed, and what would be deemed as a decent fuck.

But trust me every single SP has bad days bad sessions, and bad clients, that remind them on a daily basis that this is a job.

There is a saying in the industry, about clients like trawler who are nice, and clean and generous, but is a"hard client" or "tough" or "work" because it takes him so long to get off. Trust me I am not my favorite SPs or even a radom SP's wet dream when I stop to see her everytime, but the good ones make me feel like at the least both of us enjoyed each others company for the 45 minutes or what ever we spent. At worst I would like to think I am better than the ??? that she might see if I wasn't there.

Don't be so stupid or naive to think than an SP that appears to orgasm while you are with her actually does. Do you think these "good" sps that see 6 or 7 clients in a day actually have orgasms, or even multiple orgasms, with every cleint. CMON man, please don't tell me you actually think that. Let alone they actually enjoy some guy they aren't attracted to feebly trying to be a "good lover".

It is part of the illusion it is what makes them professional. But trust me, there is no session with out the session fee, so I am smart enough to recognize that they aren't just there for the enjoyment.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

I am sorry for interrupting you guys. I couldn't resist not to comment aforementioned.

IMHO: Some of SP dont have BFs. If they like sex, it's very good solution. Specially sometimes you meet really very very very skilled guys + you can learn and experiment with costumes, foot fetish, different kind of underwear. If I had certain review board for some "friends" I would post my reviews about guys where I run everytime when they call in TO or book on tours.

However I am not trying to say that money is not the point. Of course for someone like me Its perfect. I have time for school etc.

But for someone who doesn't like sex and never had a fantasy to have sex with stranger it's not possible to make money. Customers are VERY demanding

thanks for your attention and have a great week!

Ihre,
S.

Good post, just a quick question, does this mean that every customer your see means great sex, or are those sessions for you few and far between.

 

[TooMuchFun22]

takes a big toll on the SP's - However, there are professions out there that also take a huge mental (let alone physical) toll on the individual: firefighters who put out fires and expose themselves to dangers of collapsing buildings and explosions and toxic substances that would someday kill them by cancer, beat cops who are regularly exposed to the dangers on the street (being shot or exposed to HIV-positive people, etc.) and lastly our soldiers in Afghanistan (and other theaters of operation) who are exposed to the dangers of being in a war zone.

All these people expose themselves to physical and mental dangers much much greater than what SP's are faced with and yet are compensated at fractions of what SP's make. In addition, they don't have as many breaks or vacations that SP's do, either. I don't think you can question the dedication of the men and women who serve in these professions and similar professions - they do care a lot for the people they serve just as much (if not more).

I can continue on and on, but I hope you get my point.

Your point appears to be that you resent an SP and their earning potential.

That being said, an SP has see clients, and walk that fine line to make money. Yes they are making the choice, but lets not deny the complications of this industry.

Lets take the example of an SP that sees a client and has a condom break, tell me are there risks there?

 

[praxis]

Thanks for your frank comments. . .

. . . you see as SP mostly repeatable or regular clients. So you come once. Someone from guys takes TOFTT ) Then SP sees 75% the same people. So my second trip was more relaxed. First a couple of days you know whom are you going to see. It makes it easier. I dont say its easy to work as SP. Girls (myself included) work very hard for our money. But I mean if i didn't like it, I wouldn't do it. I am so used to it to have a lots of sex, that i get headaches when I have to study for school and cannot work ) Now I feel bad. The secret is out (o;

Deine,
S.

From what you said. . .I pick the following ideas:

1. SP's rely on repeat customers - ripping off customers won't guarantee longevity in the business. An SP can only see so many guys once.

2. An SP cannot last in this business unless she enjoys what she's doing. This eventually weeds out the SP's that provide poor service or show poor attitude towards the business or towards their clients.

 

[Tiffany]

Praxis

Maybe since you seem to know so much we should hook up my earnings and your investing skills. As having a background in financial planning, and having the huge cash income, your math would be all I need to be a millionaire right????

Most girls I know don't live lavish lifestyles, nor do I. I've only been on one vacation ever. That's my choice though. I have investments, rsp's, life policies, etc. I am worth more than what I make but none of that makes me a millionaire. At the rate of inflation I will be lucky to live comfortably when I am retired. I only have rsp's for the tax break it offers because otherwise they are more trouble than they're worth. The problem with you whole system is how does one invest without having questions raised or without credit history?? As an sp who does not bad, taxes are a pain to do, anyone who is self employed will tell you the same. You do not get the same respect as having an employer and a steady income. All self employed are a risk for the bank unless you have the credit history to back you up. My problem is I don't have credit history bc I have always bought things in cash.

So my question to you is how do you take $100 000 cash and invest it? The last time I walked into the bank with cash like that... Let's just say I was there a while.

 

[priceyhabit]

Just a thougt but why not pay eveything with visa and then pay the visa with cash. Also as you prob have friends who own business' they could pay you on the payroll and take cash in exchange (that olny works for a little bit ). Or perhaps start another business and use your cash as start up capital. Instead of going to the bank once in awhile with 20 or 30k go there more often and deposit 500 to thousand into your company account.