USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

[VanCityNewb]

@VanCityNewb

Okay, let's be fair. The goal of DEI, on paper, is to counteract bias and make sure qualified people get a fair shake. I get that.

But saying there's "no such thing as DEI quotas" and that it's all based on "lies" just isn't the full picture.

Companies might not use the word "quota" because it's a legal minefield, but they absolutely have public "targets" and "goals" for hiring based on race. Just look at the annual diversity reports from almost any big corporation; they're full of specific numbers they're trying to hit.

And that's exactly the thing Charlie Kirk was criticizing. His whole point was that the second you start using numbers and targets based on identity, you make people—rightly or wrongly—wonder if someone got a job because they were the best candidate, or because they helped the company hit its diversity numbers. That's the real-world consequence he was talking about.

So this isn't about "lies." It's a real disagreement. You're looking at the textbook ideal of DEI, and he was criticizing how it actually plays out.

Look at what we're doing right now. We're in the middle of a heated, complicated argument about it. This is how it's supposed to work. The alternative is what his killer did: decided to just skip the debate and use a gun to shut someone up. We have to be able to argue passionately about things like DEI without ever accepting that violence is a legitimate answer.

The numbers you're talking about aren't quotas. It's simply acknowledging when certain classes of people are underrepresented. Like if one class of people make up 55% of the population, but only make up 15% of a company's employees. Or perhaps 90%. All it's doing is looking at why those under or overrepresentations occur, and how to correct for biases for or against classes of people. And again, none of this even remotely means that they'll just start taking any random black person off of the street and turning them into unqualified captains for major airlines.

Charlie Kirk wasn't talking about DEI at all. He was purposefully misrepresenting it to justify his racism and open hatred of people of certain races and classes.

 

[sexpanther69]

I see you’ve chosen to ignore the video I posted earlier which debunks the weaponized, out-of-context quotes you’re using. Since you won’t watch it, let’s go through the context of your list right here.

• The "Black pilot" and "moronic Black woman" quotes: Both of these are not attacks on Black people; they are blunt, provocative critiques of DEI and Affirmative Action policies. His argument was that when you prioritize quotas over merit, it tragically forces people to question the qualifications of talented minorities, whether they are pilots in a cockpit or staff in an office. He's arguing the policy itself is what casts that shadow of doubt. You can hate his argument, but it’s a critique of a system, not a race.
• The "WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian" quote: This was said during the debate over swapping Brittney Griner for Viktor Bout, the notorious arms dealer known as the "Merchant of Death." He was using a list of inflammatory descriptors to contrast the media and government's focus on a celebrity athlete with their perceived indifference to freeing other Americans like Marine veteran Paul Whelan. It was a critique of foreign policy priorities, not a random attack.
• The final quote about "stealing a white person's slot": As has already been established, he was naming specific, powerful individuals (Joy Reid, KBJ, etc.) who benefited from affirmative action. He wasn't talking about "Black people" as a monolith.

You’re presenting his controversial critiques of liberal policies as if they are hateful attacks on an entire race of people. That is a deliberate and dishonest smear.

But let’s set that aside for a moment. Even if you listen to the full context and still conclude that you despise him and everything he said, it brings us back to the fundamental point.

We are having that debate with words. You are using his quotes against him. I am using context to rebut you. This is how a free society works.

His killer chose a different path. He didn't want to argue or debate. He wanted to execute a man for his speech. My defense of Charlie Kirk is not an endorsement of every controversial thing he ever said. It is an unwavering condemnation of the barbaric idea that murder is a legitimate response to words you don't like.

It doesn't take a person with common sense to say yes those quotes are problematic but for some reason conservatives have troubles with truth and continue his rhetoric

I guess ur of the thinking black folks were better off in the 40's, civil rights were a mistake and MLK Jr was a bad person... All Kirk's own words

If u have a significant other , do they submit to you like she should and put you and having kids before themselves or any career

Stop trying to justify his rhetoric and see if u can find some sense and say that his attitude towards minorities and woman was wrong

Go watch his video of him debating college folk in Cambridge and watch how he gets humbled when he gets fact checked and doesn't have the control to yell or shut people off or move on when he's cornered

It's unfortunate that this is the political climate of the USbut when ur a loudmouth for MAGA pushing an agenda of division and hate and wanting only a white Christian America... U don't think people are goin to have a problem with that

Maybe had trump not started this war on democracy and policitcs in the US on Jan 6th we wouldn't be here

But the right still can't admit that the 2020 election wasn't stolen and Jan 6th needed to happen....

Where was all this anger when MAGA chanted for the hanging of a sitting VP

 

[VanCityNewb]

Nope, thats judging. Its racist. I guess you are a racist.

You're lying again. You can discuss race, without being racist. Because again, racism is judging against people on the basis of their race, in a way which infers that they are inferior due solely to their race. Recognizing and combating racism, is not racism. That's silly.

 

[wannabe69]

You're lying again. You can discuss race, without being racist. Because again, racism is judging against people on the basis of their race, in a way which infers that they are inferior due solely to their race. Recognizing and combating racism, is not racism. That's silly.

You aren't discussing race, you are judging people based on race. Which makes you a racist by your own words.

@VanCityNewb, How many non-white or white people are you friends with and close with? I cant imagine its many, if any, judging by how much time you spend on this site

 

[wannabe69]

Can anyone recommend some good left-wing social media personalities to follow, preferably those who have never promoted violence or expressed hateful views?

 

[wannabe69]

Im looking for recommendations for popular left wing social media personalities to follow!!

Do you all think I should follow Hasan Piker? He's one of the biggest voices and influencers on the left, with a massive social media presence! He said 911 deserved and has called for violence on many occasions, too many to count! Plus he is very handsome, and I like how he is rich and flexes money but is also a hardcore socialist!!!

Or maybe I should follow Destiny! He’s also a major voice on the left these days. He did say some controversial stuff today, and sure, he’s had racist comments in the past and faced sexual assault allegations, but I guess it doesn’t really matter if you’re on the left, right?

Isn’t it just great that these are some of the biggest and most prominent voices on the left, especially for Gen Z? So awesome! Would love more recommendations!! And of course, political violence and hate are totally a right-wing thing, right?

 

[VanCityNewb]

You aren't discussing race, you are judging people based on race. Which makes you a racist by your own words.

@VanCityNewb, How many non-white or white people are you friends with and close with? I cant imagine its many, if any, judging by how much time you spend on this site

Lol, you can't cite one single example of me ever judging against someone on the sole basis of their race. Which can't be said of Charlie Kirk. 😂

 

[wannabe69]

Lol, you can't cite one single example of me ever judging against someone on the sole basis of their race. Which can't be said of Charlie Kirk. 😂

You can send me your social media and ill look into it if you want. Nothing says compassionate lovely guy to be around than a guy who spends his whole life on PERB!!

 

[VanCityNewb]

You can send me your social media and ill look into it if you want. Nothing says compassionate lovely guy to be around than a guy who spends his whole life on PERB!!

Thanks for proving me right. 👍

 

[wannabe69]

Thanks for proving me right. 👍

Do you have a crush on Hasan Piker too? maybe we can be besties

 

[Harmony-bc]

Can anyone recommend some good left-wing social media personalities to follow, preferably those who have never promoted violence or expressed hateful views?

I like to follow her

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOnvn_NkX5o/?igsh=NnZyNG1lYXJ2dWR5

I also like to follow this person

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOb-LaAD6g9/?igsh=djczb3NieG85NHN4

But I suspect you’re a banned member under another perb alias just to troll this thread

 

[westwoody]

You can send me your social media and ill look into it if you want. Nothing says compassionate lovely guy to be around than a guy who spends his whole life on PERB!!

Says the guy who posts only in the US politics section. 14 in a few hours LOL 😂

 

[westwoody]

But I suspect you’re a banned member under another perb alias just to troll this thread

Good catch.

 

[wannabe69]

I like to follow her

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOnvn_NkX5o/?igsh=NnZyNG1lYXJ2dWR5

I also like to follow this person

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOb-LaAD6g9/?igsh=djczb3NieG85NHN4

But I suspect you’re a banned member under another perb alias just to troll this thread

Interesting attempt to try to discredit someone simply for having their own views and opinions. Be careful, you don't want to fall into using fascist tactics

Thanks for the suggestions. However, the first person seems to be known for conspiracy theories, and the second guy looks like an incel on psychiatric meds. Got any other recommendations?

Do you have any thoughts or feedback on the clips I shared of Hasan Piker and Destiny? They’re two of the most prominent figures on the left, do you agree with their views and what they say?

My comments are completely relevant to this thread. Sharing video clips of two of the biggest social media influencers on the left in a U.S. politics discussion seems perfectly on-topic. I’m curious why no one wants to engage with it.

 

[wannabe69]

Says the guy who posts only in the US politics section. 14 in a few hours LOL 😂

Better than being on here for 16 years and posting here daily like you

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Its always the case that the recycled trolls show up in the political threads. It tends to be the place where their vile diuretic gives them the biggest dopamine hits. Relatively easy to spot them, recent new registrant, zero posts in the pooning forums, always combative posts where they place their shit. the IGNORE button works well in these cases as they bring nothing to the table other than some kind of pathetic entertainment.

 

[wannabe69]

Its always the case that the recycled trolls show up in the political threads. It tends to be the place where their vile diuretic gives them the biggest dopamine hits. Relatively easy to spot them, recent new registrant, zero posts in the pooning forums, always combative posts where they place their shit. the IGNORE button works well in these cases as they bring nothing to the table other than some kind of pathetic entertainment.

How is it considered trolling to present topics relevant to a "USA Political Discussion" thread?
It almost seems like you're either afraid or don't have the capacity to engage in discussions that are challenging or don't align with your political views.
Do you have any thoughts or comments on the clips I posted here?

 

[80watts]

Charlie on race :

"If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified."

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

"If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?"

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?"

– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

"If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."


Ya sure doesnt sound like he doesn't have a problem with black people

Would he have the balls to call white Karen's in customer service" moronic"

And read the last line of the last quote....."you had to steal a white person slot to be taken seriously"

Does this not imply he's of the thinking only white people are deserving of their said roles

But sure keep spewing he was a good Christian man... I wonder if Jesus would ever speak of another person like this

As a young boy in Sunday School, the parable of the good Samaritan. Identifying who a neighbour is, and how you should act towards your neighbour.
Your neighbour is everybody, black, white, yellow, red, poor, middle class, rich, etc.

The undisputed truth out there is it take more courage to fight for unity and peace; then to cause disruptions among peoples.

 

[Pumped]

For your consideration:

"Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.[3]"

Full article: https://web.archive.org/web/2025072...ij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

 

[Harmony-bc]

Interesting attempt to try to discredit someone simply for having their own views and opinions. Be careful, you don't want to fall into using fascist tactics

Thanks for the suggestions. However, the first person seems to be known for conspiracy theories, and the second guy looks like an incel on psychiatric meds. Got any other recommendations?

Do you have any thoughts or feedback on the clips I shared of Hasan Piker and Destiny? They’re two of the most prominent figures on the left, do you agree with their views and what they say?

My comments are completely relevant to this thread. Sharing video clips of two of the biggest social media influencers on the left in a U.S. politics discussion seems perfectly on-topic. I’m curious why no one wants to engage with it.

The first person carefully researches everything she talks about and none of it has been conspiracy theories that ive seen snd ive watched a lot of her stuff. Shes a comedian and quite funny.

The second guy is a really intelligent thoughtful young man who ran circles around Charles Kirk when he debated him. Incel is an attitude and not a look.

The 2 people you keep talking about, I have never watched anything by them so I have zero opinion. I also have zero interest in being baited to comment on those videos and I don’t have time to research something I don’t care about.