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Do the people in BC believe Musk is sooooo bad for revealing waste?
Do you believe that is what he’s doing though?
I see it as 3 possibilities:
1 - good intentions, good action. He’s attacking fraud and waste and his team is acting quickly to achieve this.
2 - good intentions, bad action. He intends to cut fraud and waste, but his method of skimming trillions of dollars worth of expenditures with AI and automated reviews is being sloppy and inaccurate, making damaging cuts.
3 - bad intentions, bad action. He’s claiming his cuts are to fraud and waste, but he’s really just making drastic cuts in line with his political beliefs and selfish motivations.

What do you think?
 

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Do you believe that is what he’s doing though?
I see it as 3 possibilities:
1 - good intentions, good action. He’s attacking fraud and waste and his team is acting quickly to achieve this.
2 - good intentions, bad action. He intends to cut fraud and waste, but his method of skimming trillions of dollars worth of expenditures with AI and automated reviews is being sloppy and inaccurate, making damaging cuts.
3 - bad intentions, bad action. He’s claiming his cuts are to fraud and waste, but he’s really just making drastic cuts in line with his political beliefs and selfish motivations.

What do you think?
I think for Elon it’s probably 2. Might be 3, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2. I think Elon is just out of touch and has no clue how government actually works. I think he might have good intentions. I think he loves having his ego stroked and his ego is huge.

Trump on the other hand and all the people surrounding Trump are evil or stupid. One or the other. Trump, definitely 3
 

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You posted opinion, not fact. Did you fail to read the attachment which described how currency markets work? Apparently you also failed to read the attachment that described the reason some currency’s are weak. Brief recap, weak currencies are due to lack of confidence in a specific economy. Canada intentionally keeping its currency weak is 100% ridiculous. As you can see in the attached graph, Canada did not ALWAYS keep its currency weak. Between 2010 and 2015, it was about 1 to 1, sometimes higher, which was due to the US housing crisis that caused a weak economy for the US. That is factual data. The only major country that wants a weak currency is China. That is because it exports more than any other nation and exports are its bread and butter. I trade currency almost every single day and make enough money to have fun. Maybe your reading comprehension isn’t up to par. The article I previously attached specifically indicated China is retaliating against Canada for the EV tariff. You should become a politician, you pull stuff out of nowhere and attempt to convince people you know what you’re talking about. The financial industry can mean a bank teller. I am not attacking you, but your knowledge is very limited, or you’re just playing , I don’t know. To answer your question about NATO, 1.3%…….6th from the bottom of 32 countries, which is the bottom 18% of members, is not exactly support. Maybe you can understand a video!

still interested in when Idaho is going to stop being a socialist state and give California its money back.
 

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I think for Elon it’s probably 2. Might be 3, but I’m inclined to lean towards 2. I think Elon is just out of touch and has no clue how government actually works. I think he might have good intentions. I think he loves having his ego stroked and his ego is huge.

Trump on the other hand and all the people surrounding Trump are evil or stupid. One or the other. Trump, definitely 3
I Disagree- Elmo is the recipient of large amounts of governement spending and one of the first things gone were the comptrollers and anyone looking into his gov deals....def a #3ster
 

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Do you believe that is what he’s doing though?
I see it as 3 possibilities:
1 - good intentions, good action. He’s attacking fraud and waste and his team is acting quickly to achieve this.
2 - good intentions, bad action. He intends to cut fraud and waste, but his method of skimming trillions of dollars worth of expenditures with AI and automated reviews is being sloppy and inaccurate, making damaging cuts.
3 - bad intentions, bad action. He’s claiming his cuts are to fraud and waste, but he’s really just making drastic cuts in line with his political beliefs and selfish motivations.

What do you think?
Fair questions. First, I question everything, especially when money and government is involved. Secondly, I try to look at business decisions objectively, but I’m human and make mistakes. That said, I have worked under government contracts many times. I know from a ton of experience, there is an ungodly amount of waste and fraud within the US government. I also know the US government had and probably still do, quotas to award the protected class government contracts, regardless of cost. Many in the protected class use that to their advantage and charge well over low bid. Musk is the richest person in the world and I am sure his political beliefs are applied. His political beliefs should come into play, he is working on behalf of Trump. I somewhat question that millions of people over 125 years old collect Social Security, but that would not shock me. We will not know if his cuts are damaging, until the damage is exposed. I don’t understand how his motives could be selfish, what could he gain that he doesn’t already have? The vast majority of crimes are committed by people with motive. In my lifetime, I have personally fired well over 100 people, not one was fun. I think Musk is the dork in High School that didn’t play sports, was silent and sat in the back of the room, but the guy is brilliant. I do not believe he would intentionally fire anyone whose job had purpose. The federal workers being fired are victimized by the system. In America it is not rare to see eight Highway workers standing around watching one person dig a hole. The seven that get fired are victims of the system. Republicans are guilty, but Democrats are worse. The DNC is extremely labor union friendly. I assume they believe, the more people in a union, the more votes. They pad the books on the taxpayer dime. Think about it, why on earth did Biden allow 95% of Federal workers to work from home long after Covid? If I were to select one of the options you provided, it is number one.
 

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I am sitting next to my fire pit drinking bourbon with two friends, both jacked me up, which is the reason I write this post. Think about the events of today regarding Ford and electricity. Politicians typically do not understand economics, yet economic war can be more damaging than bombs. Ford got a lesson today, I wonder if he is embarrassed? Canada and the US are married, but as in all relationships, there is one bread winner, the US is the bread winner. This is easy shit, together we are incredibly strong, apart the US is strong and Canada is nothing. It will take some pain for Canadians to reap the benefits, but Canadians will be much better off. Anyone in Canada that is not embarrassed by Fords actions is a moron. Ford is a politician and as displayed today, has no idea about what he is doing. The idiot threatened to cut off electricity if Trump retaliated, Trump retaliated and Ford shit his pants. Its not rocket science! Take your pride to Starbucks and see what you can buy.
 
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I don’t think we need the USA as much as the USA and politicians think we need them. I definitely think the USA is big. Lots of people across the border. And I know they’re war mongers and greedy and bullies. But we really don’t need them. We will survive. It’s unfortunate we can’t get along. And it’s unfortunate ford is halting the Ontario tariffs. We’ll see how it all plays out in the end I guess.
 

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I don’t think we need the USA as much as the USA and politicians think we need them. I definitely think the USA is big. Lots of people across the border. And I know they’re war mongers and greedy and bullies. But we really don’t need them. We will survive. It’s unfortunate we can’t get along. And it’s unfortunate ford is halting the Ontario tariffs. We’ll see how it all plays out in the end I guess.
Ok sweetheart I will bite. Do men need pussy? Do men spend money for pussy? Do men ruin marriages for pussy? Yes, men can survive without pussy, but at what cost? Will they be satisfied without pussy? Men do stupid stuff for pussy and women risk their health to provide pussy. Think outside the box. Think about when a woman is no longer sexually attractive, what will she do? Maybe get a job at Home Depot? Is Canada Home Depot?
 

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Most of what you said is spot on. In the short term, (18 months) some Americans will feel inflation pressure, afterward I believe the vast majority of Americans will hugely benefit from the Trump economy. I do not think Trump wants Canada in any way shape or form. However some family members live in Ontario and they told me there is a movement gaining steam for Ontario to become the 51st state. That is beyond my pay grade. As for the felon stuff, nobody has ever been convicted of that crime previously and nobody cares, Trump carried all swing states. Therefore your point is moot! If an agreement is not reached , it will take years, or maybe even decades for Canada to recover. No country has the buying power of the United States and currently the EU, South Korea and Japans economy‘s are not doing well. Look, I’m a business guy, business is typically dog eat dog. It’s about profit. International trade is now becoming business. Canada places tariffs on American goods to make the same goods produced in Canada more appealing to the consumer. It is past my expertise, but if all tariffs are removed from both sides, I believe the market will adjust and maybe prices will go down for everyone. Friends as you say should not place a 200% tariff on dairy products. I assume Canadian farmers cannot produce milk as cheap as American farmers. I just wish Trump would get on with it and stop flip flopping. Either do it, or not. The longer the flipping goes on, the more damage occurs.
U.S. dairy subsidies equal 73 percent of producer returns, says new report - RealAgriculture
All I did was google American dairy subsidies.

In Canada the dairy farmers are in a co-operative where the dairy is sold that farmers can make a decent living farming. Its not the best system, it does have its price fixing and quota fixing. Ultimately its is the direct dairy buyers/distributers that make the most profit in this system. It is not designed for export to other countries, just to have affordable dairy in Canadian grocery stores.

But if the US is subsidizing the price for American Dairy products, its an unfair advantage to Canadian producers for products to be sold in Canada. But it is fair for Canada to subsidize Canadian Dairy farmers for dairy in Canada.

Canadians that want a 51 state can move to either one of the 50 states the USA already has.... or America can become the 4th territory for Canada....(pls note that a territory is not a province)....

Trumps flip flopping is only causing stock price fluctuations.... it is done on purpose. The idea being that the president of the USA is supposed to "keep calm" and avoid market fluctuations done by announcements from the White House. Good for long term investment and growth of an economy.
 

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A true friend would understand the reasons for tariffs before taking any action against them. A true friend would work with you to enhance the areas of common interest that you have building on existing relationships to strengthen both sides. A true friend doesn't arbitrarily decide that the street is entirely one-way and that only their needs truly matter. Pretty sure that the USA isn't a true friend at this point.

I think you're right in the importance of goodwill becoming more important based on the size of the playground being used. Goodwill and friendship is essential for small businesses and less so in international concerns,,.. but don't underestimate how the international community will react to the USA acting like dictatorships, siding with Russia.
True Trump holds lots of cards.. but forcing other countries to play with you ensures that we'll always be keeping our best cards for ourselves.

The USA is only interested in ensuring that other countries contribute more of their GDP to military because the USA is the number one provider of military products to the world, the biggest arms dealer in the world is the president of the USA. Please understand that there is a difference between not achieving a target in an agreement that specifies "best effort, or intention" such as the NATO military spending target (not budget - target), and a trade agreement that requires certain actions, or requires an action such as tariffs not be undertaken like the NAFTA (I know the name changed but can't recall the specific acronym Trump chose to ensure that the US was identified as the primary partner US something or other)
One is an understanding that we will seek to achieve a target, the other is an actual requirement. IMHO the USA's obsession with military spending isn't something Canadians want to emulate. As has been previously noted, Canada has assisted the USA in every conflict they've been engaged in... Canada has Never needed to ask for help.
You can feel however you want about Canada's spending priorities, I'm sure that we'll make adjustments to accommodate the bully to the south of us, but we won't forget that it was bullying and not friendship that caused the accommodation.

You're right that we will "capitulate" in one way or another but it will be on our terms. Trump needs a PR win and it's likely that he'll accept much less than we would otherwise be forced to agree to in order to get the public "win". Canada has one thing (more than one but one for the sake of this point) - the US doesn't have at this point. 95% of Canadians are united in disgust and derision for what Trump is doing. Some may feel that politically he is better than the Democrats, or that he has some valid intentions, but virtually all Canadians agree that some if not all of what he is doing is appalling.. and unlike Canada, a large percentage of Americans also believe that what he is doing (not just what he's doing to Canada but to the USA and the rest of the world) is appalling and disgusting. If the USA were truly the "United" States of America there is no doubt that Canada would be crushed in any disagreement, trade war, economic, whatever.. the USA is just too big in comparison, but that isn't the case. Trump is bleeding from a thousand cuts. He didn't just take on Canada, he's fighting half the USA, dismantling Federal departments, as well as Mexico, and the EU, and China, and BRICS, and... well pretty much everyone except Russia - Putin should like him at least. The USA might just be the biggest kid on the playground but there are a lot more of us than there are of him and Americans are going to keep getting kicked and punched as long as Trump continues pushing everyone around. Like I said previously,.. it'll be the average American who suffers for what Trump is doing, not the rich boys that are stealing as much money as they can, and getting away with as much outright crime as they can while Trump holds center stage with his Circus act.

Happy Weekend everyone.
I think your % should be higher at 98-99%..
 

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U.S. dairy subsidies equal 73 percent of producer returns, says new report - RealAgriculture
All I did was google American dairy subsidies.

In Canada the dairy farmers are in a co-operative where the dairy is sold that farmers can make a decent living farming. Its not the best system, it does have its price fixing and quota fixing. Ultimately its is the direct dairy buyers/distributers that make the most profit in this system. It is not designed for export to other countries, just to have affordable dairy in Canadian grocery stores.

But if the US is subsidizing the price for American Dairy products, its an unfair advantage to Canadian producers for products to be sold in Canada. But it is fair for Canada to subsidize Canadian Dairy farmers for dairy in Canada.

Canadians that want a 51 state can move to either one of the 50 states the USA already has.... or America can become the 4th territory for Canada....(pls note that a territory is not a province)....

Trumps flip flopping is only causing stock price fluctuations.... it is done on purpose. The idea being that the president of the USA is supposed to "keep calm" and avoid market fluctuations done by announcements from the White House. Good for long term investment and growth of an economy.
I don’t like his flip flopping either, but I hope and believe it is for good reason. Stocks go up and down and haven’t corrected in years, correction is long overdue.
 

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You posted opinion, not fact. Did you fail to read the attachment which described how currency markets work? Apparently you also failed to read the attachment that described the reason some currency’s are weak. Brief recap, weak currencies are due to lack of confidence in a specific economy. Canada intentionally keeping its currency weak is 100% ridiculous. As you can see in the attached graph, Canada did not ALWAYS keep its currency weak. Between 2010 and 2015, it was about 1 to 1, sometimes higher, which was due to the US housing crisis that caused a weak economy for the US. That is factual data. The only major country that wants a weak currency is China. That is because it exports more than any other nation and exports are its bread and butter. I trade currency almost every single day and make enough money to have fun. Maybe your reading comprehension isn’t up to par. The article I previously attached specifically indicated China is retaliating against Canada for the EV tariff. You should become a politician, you pull stuff out of nowhere and attempt to convince people you know what you’re talking about. The financial industry can mean a bank teller. I am not attacking you, but your knowledge is very limited, or you’re just playing , I don’t know. To answer your question about NATO, 1.3%…….6th from the bottom of 32 countries, which is the bottom 18% of members, is not exactly support. Maybe you can understand a video!

Yep 1.37% of our GDP and 6% of the NATO budget out of 32 nations .

As for currency nobody will claim that its a good thing but it's been the strength of the American dollar across the board internationally that has been the real problem as Canada as done better than most countries against the US dollar if you compare with the mex pesos , AUS $ , Swiss FRC and others ...so I would adventure to say its a question of demand more than structural strength as some of the countries i mentioned are or were doing better than the US in terms of gdp improvement, employment, GDP debt ratio, deficits . If we are not willing to give investors an edge vs the us dollar for our lack of attractiveness we always have paid the price with a sub parity value. During the early 70s because of major infrastructure investments and when your banking system messed up with the subprime mortgages did the CDN dollar rise above the US $ ; and a few blips here and there because of budget battles on your side of the border.


I am sitting next to my fire pit drinking bourbon with two friends, both jacked me up, which is the reason I write this post. Think about the events of today regarding Ford and electricity. Politicians typically do not understand economics, yet economic war can be more damaging than bombs. Ford got a lesson today, I wonder if he is embarrassed? Canada and the US are married, but as in all relationships, there is one bread winner, the US is the bread winner. This is easy shit, together we are incredibly strong, apart the US is strong and Canada is nothing. It will take some pain for Canadians to reap the benefits, but Canadians will be much better off. Anyone in Canada that is not embarrassed by Fords actions is a moron. Ford is a politician and as displayed today, has no idea about what he is doing. The idiot threatened to cut off electricity if Trump retaliated, Trump retaliated and Ford shit his pants. Its not rocket science! Take your pride to Starbucks and see what you can buy.
Ford baited him and trump fell for it ...which gave trump the win Ford wanted him to have. It is still at the checker game level so far but still not at chess level .

Ford is no fool since his family has been involved in politics for decades . He was not about to create a power increase for real for now as he knew the most likely response from trump but that could come later if needed . Little trump has now been briefed about the cost of a power increase would have on the North Eastern seaboard which is only Ontario. If Québec with the input or desire of Newfoundland & Labrador gets involved in that game that would have real repercussions as their supply is more critical for the Eastern seaboard overall rates and its reliability.
 

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I don’t like his flip flopping either, but I hope and believe it is for good reason. Stocks go up and down and haven’t corrected in years, correction is long overdue.
hope or believe... you are a brave one.

DOGE isn't coming up with more than a rounding error. Trumps tariffs are going to be a wash. you'll never be convinced but the last time Trump implemented tariffs on Cdn steel US consumers paid and jobs were lost. domestic producers just raised their prices to match imported prices! and why wouldn't they?

Steel Tariffs and U.S. Jobs Revisited

your enemy is the baby boomers. they have used their political clout to ensure that they not pay sufficient taxes to cover their golden parachute retirement. as soon as Trump/GOP start going after the Medicaid/Medicare/SS or cause even a minor recession then... they will be voted out.

you don't seem to be threading the needle... Trump wants his tax cuts extended using reconciliation. thats the only reason there is this emergency to find money. anywhere. the math isn't working for him so far. what happens later really isn't of inerest to him. he hasn't even the "concept of an idea of a plan".
 

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Ford baited him and trump fell for it ...which gave trump the win Ford wanted him to have. It is still at the checker game level so far but still not at chess level .
don't take the bait about "wins". there is no winning happening at the moment. unless you have inside as to what Trump is about to say and are shorting the market.
 

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What I believe is the people on TV that disapprove of Trumps actions are the people that scream the loudest, which always gets the most publicity. Identical to the Congress members singing and making a video shadow boxing, plus the few lighting Tesla on fire. IMO, those nuts have way too much time on their hands probably because most collect some type of handout. As you pointed out, the inflation rate in Canada is 1.8%, yes the interest rates are low, that is stimulus. It is actually all over the Canadian news. There are many different ways to subsidize a nation and to me, NATO is the big one. Think about it, numerous countries with much smaller GDP’s pay at least 2% toward NATO. Again, I’m not a fan of the NATO concept, but if you’re going to play, a country needs to pay. Not paying because the US will protect you is a subsidy. You bring up GDP to debt ratio as a percentage when the US GDP is almost 13 times larger. The vast majority of businesses in Canada and America are run on credit. If your comparison was valid the percentage of debt should be at least 13 times higher for the United States. You are comparing apples to oranges. We both know that even during the Biden four years the exchange rate stayed around 70 cents to the dollar and Trump had nothing to do with it then. The American economy is performing much stronger than Canada and most of the world, which is the reason Trump can simultaneously hit multiple countries with Tariffs. Like I wrote, it’s a perfect storm and at least for now, all the stars are aligned. Due to the size of the US alone, all the talk about Canadas ability to inflict pain on the US is complete nonsense. For every study that the climate is changing due to fossil fuels, I can show you a study that indicates it is actually climate evolution. I compare it to your war machine comment, the climate scam is meant to generate money. In this country, democrats have handouts, social programs and fear. They cannot run on policy.
NATO Spending by Country 2025
At 1.37 % GDP
Canada defense budget 30.1 Billion
Only US, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, Poland, and France had a bigger defence budgets.
Although I like to see a 5-6 % GDP. Mostly to get new equipment.

Trump has openly sided with Russian and threw the Ukrainian people under the rug. Russia says it wants peace, but Russia is still Attacking Ukraine (today) in the south and in the Kursk region of Russia. The Russians are not stopping and Trump is doing nothing, but trying to get mineral rights in Ukraine at the cost of Ukrainian people dying. Trump is cutting off further support of military aid to Ukraine, making it more likely that Russia will take over all of Ukraine. Russia has not given any indication that it would stop at any point in the future, nor will it possibly stop with Ukraine, but try to gather more land by annexing other former Soviet countries, which had now joined NATO.

You need to explain this in humanitarian terms. Putin invaded in 2014 (Crimea) and in 2022 ( Ukraine's Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts), if he thought the fighting was illegal, why didn't he call for UN troops to be peacekeepers. He used Russian troops in a Special Military Operation.... including the slaughter of Civilian people in Ukraine.
Indiscrete missile attack on civilian homes and apartment buildings throughout the rest of Ukraine, not just for military targets.

Putin has been hiding under the threat of nuclear strikes if missiles were thrown at Russia.

Putin was losing the war, and Ukraine was gaining land back with the help of aid from Europe and the US.

Now Trump is giving Putin the upper hand, by no aid to Ukraine (supplies and information), and all of a sudden Russian is gaining Air Superiority over the Ukrainian forces as a direct result of Trump aiding Putin.

Putin operated by fear and jailing people who are his own people in Russia. He had his political opponents poisoned or imprisoned. His KGB still disappear people in Russian and other states he controls.

I don't see how any of this makes America Great Again. It looks like America selling out democratic values in the name of Putin....
 
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Fair questions. First, I question everything, especially when money and government is involved. Secondly, I try to look at business decisions objectively, but I’m human and make mistakes. That said, I have worked under government contracts many times. I know from a ton of experience, there is an ungodly amount of waste and fraud within the US government. I also know the US government had and probably still do, quotas to award the protected class government contracts, regardless of cost. Many in the protected class use that to their advantage and charge well over low bid. Musk is the richest person in the world and I am sure his political beliefs are applied. His political beliefs should come into play, he is working on behalf of Trump. I somewhat question that millions of people over 125 years old collect Social Security, but that would not shock me. We will not know if his cuts are damaging, until the damage is exposed. I don’t understand how his motives could be selfish, what could he gain that he doesn’t already have? The vast majority of crimes are committed by people with motive. In my lifetime, I have personally fired well over 100 people, not one was fun. I think Musk is the dork in High School that didn’t play sports, was silent and sat in the back of the room, but the guy is brilliant. I do not believe he would intentionally fire anyone whose job had purpose. The federal workers being fired are victimized by the system. In America it is not rare to see eight Highway workers standing around watching one person dig a hole. The seven that get fired are victims of the system. Republicans are guilty, but Democrats are worse. The DNC is extremely labor union friendly. I assume they believe, the more people in a union, the more votes. They pad the books on the taxpayer dime. Think about it, why on earth did Biden allow 95% of Federal workers to work from home long after Covid? If I were to select one of the options you provided, it is number one.
Its funny when people worked from home on laptops they still did the same work they did in the office. Free up office space and rent of building. People are much happier when they don't have to see their fellow workers everyday (into the jail cubicles). Pretty much 90% of work done on computers, can be done at home.
 
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Elon is not that smart. i've seen him discuss egg-head engineering stuff... he's kind of an idiot savant. but otherwise i don't think he can tie his own shoes.

he and Trump are both liars to the max. check this out where he emphatically makes two astronomical lies.

Elon Musk: This is why Democrats are so upset with DOGE

illegal immigrants are not eligible for entitlements payments. FEMA is not paying for illegal immigrants to stay in luxury hotels. its not even FEMA money.

FEMA says it’s halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

a picture of the luxury hotel.

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i mean, i don't give a fuck but if it was my state then i wouldn't want them wandering around either.
 

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Its funny when people worked from home on laptops they still did the same work they did in the office. Free up office space and rent of building. People are much happier when they don't have to see their fellow workers everyday (into the jail cubicles). Pretty much 90% of work done on computers, can be done at home.
my companies had no office. i did that for 25 years. i also didn't hire any stupid middle managers.
 
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I actually have two small apartment buildings in Tampa. what you wrote is true, but not for the reason you state. The main driver of the people leaving Florida are insurance rates tripled almost overnight. Like California, too many disasters. People can’t even buy insurance, therefore it is difficult to obtain a mortgage. Plus COVID brought a huge building boom and now too many homes on the market. To address it, Desantis wants zero property tax. I expect Texas to follow. Just because a state doesn’t have income tax, doesn’t mean you don’t pay tax. Both Florida and Texas don’t have income tax, but if you drive, toll roads and other stuff cost big bucks. Texas also has huge property taxes, probably even higher than California. The scamdemic caused a lot of people to become irrational. I am starting to see a lot of Texas and Florida plates in Idaho. Previously it was just California, Washington and Oregon.
The no tax in Texas has to do with oil.... Without oil of course they would have stuff like income tax, sales tax, and property tax. Kinda of like Alberta not having sales tax due to its wealth in oil, which has dried up some since 2014.....
Jesus Murphy, the state of Texas has to get money from somewhere??
 
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