USA Political Thread 2024

[bmallard]

I don't remember him invading any countries or putting people in camps.

"I don't remember" seems to be a common excuse these days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

It's likely he didn't do it because he couldn't. Now he's got the Supreme Court packed, and he's in control of the judiciary. How exactly do you think he will deport 20 million people without putting them in camps first?

I remember everyone losing their shit when Trudeau expressed admiration for China (which I don't agree with), but "I need the kind of generals that Hitler had,” is somehow OK?

For context, I actually grew up in a dictatorship. I'd like to think I'm overreacting, but the signs are there when it comes to Republicans. And they've been busy while the Democrats were asleep.

 

[oldshark]

It is interesting to note that some of the biggest gainers on the markets this last week were private prison companies. You know, the people who will make money from incarcerating people while they await deportation. If the insiders knew that it would be first necessary to imprison people temporarily (say 2 to 3 years so as to maximize profit...) you could make a lot of money from the government being controlled by someone sympathetic to making money. And what if the prisoners can be made to work...........

Hmmm. Lots of evil minds out there could take this all a long way.

 

[Drjohn]

"I don't remember" seems to be a common excuse these days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

It's likely he didn't do it because he couldn't. Now he's got the Supreme Court packed, and he's in control of the judiciary. How exactly do you think he will deport 20 million people without putting them in camps first?

I remember everyone losing their shit when Trudeau expressed admiration for China (which I don't agree with), but "I need the kind of generals that Hitler had,” is somehow OK?

For context, I actually grew up in a dictatorship. I'd like to think I'm overreacting, but the signs are there when it comes to Republicans. And they've been busy while the Democrats were asleep.

Apparently you didn't pick up on the sarcasm.

It's not that I didn't remember.

It's that it didn't happen.

I know that Trump desperately wanted to do all sorts of terrible things.

Apparently, he just didn't have time to get them all done.

 

[Drjohn]

Yes, from 2016 to 2020 he was incompetent in realizing his goals.

Hitler didn't initially put people into camps either.

I am not ignorant, just calling a spade a spade.

My father suffered directly under the Nazis as did my family. My father warned me that they would be back. As for others in my family who suffered under the Nazis, yes, they call him a Nazi as I do.

Don't lecture to me. Just enjoy that you have your filth on the throne.

If someone has an irratational fear about what Trump may or may not do in the future, they can thank the Democratic party and mainstream media.

If you have an opinion, it's more valid if it's backed with knowledge about the facts.

Hitler became chancellor in January of 1933 and Dachau became operational 2 months later.

IYKYK

 

[VanCityNewb]

If someone has an irratational fear about what Trump may or may not do in the future, they can thank the Democratic party and mainstream media.

If you have an opinion, it's more valid if it's backed with knowledge about the facts.

Hitler became chancellor in January of 1933 and Dachau became operational 2 months later.

IYKYK

Opened as a prison, that started a huge expansion of the prison system to hold unwanted peoples in. Yup, Trump's necessary expansion of the prison system to hold millions of immigrants sounds nothing like that at all. As if America didn't already have the world's largest prison population. 🙄

 

[oldshark]

If someone has an irratational fear about what Trump may or may not do in the future, they can thank the Democratic party and mainstream media.

If you have an opinion, it's more valid if it's backed with knowledge about the facts.

Hitler became chancellor in January of 1933 and Dachau became operational 2 months later.

IYKYK

I don't need to rely on the mainstream media. I have listened to lots of the vitriol coming out of his mouth. I will agree that he is not as competent as Hitler. But I don't want him to be. Let us call him Mussolini, it is a better comparative.

 

[oldshark]

I don't believe that we should wait to fight him until he starts shoving people into prison or elsewhere. Trump has openly said he wants to go after people. Maybe someone should send him a note that his speeches are making it difficult to defend him.

 

[AMG-GTR]

Somehow wound up over here.

Anyway... A serious question.

As someone who spends 4 months out of the year living in the US, what is the legitimate reasons that someone would have voted for Kamala?

I'm not saying this to be an asshole. I'm curious what about her policy or what plans did she specifically explain that made you compelled to vote for her?

Or was the vote not about her and more about the deomocratic party?


In politics, people often say you vote for the lesser of two evils. Knowing what I know, I would tend to say that's likely an accurate assessment in most cases. Was a vote for Kamala really just a vote to stick it to Trump because you hate his policies?

If it wasn't trump but another candidate such as Vivek or RFK or even someone else that we do know of, would that have changed your vote?

I say this as someone who previously owned a home in a very posh area of California and sold it because I can't stand how badly the state is run. It is literally a real time example of how NOT to run something unless the plan is to run it into the ground. It's absolute insanity. It's sad because the weather is amazing and it's easy to fly in and out of being on the west coast.


I'm not American so I can't vote anyway. I'm just curious for those that voted for Kamala, why?

because...............



And forget about Trump for a moment because he triggers people to the point of causing people to completely lose all capactiy for rational thought. This is part of the problem with Trump.


Imagine you're in a nightclub and you're debating on going home with someone and you have two choices. I feel like the Democratic party ran the politial equivilant of saying "the other person has AIDS so I guess you're coming home with me."

While that may be a good reason to not consider having sex with that person, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to go home with that person either.


Consider the following:

1. Why vote for the party that, under their administration, saw inflation skyrocket. Simply put, are things more or less expensive than they were 4 years ago?
2. The boarder is completely out of control. Are you okay with that? If you are, why? Are you aware of the harm that will cause for many years to come?
3. Racism in the US is a hot topic and if people think the US is racist, I suggest you travel around the rest of the world. You will quickly find out that in comparitive terms it is NOT racist at all (unless you're a straight white male that is) By the way, I'm mixed race, and in the last 4 years, racism has increased in the US under the dems. Why has that happened? Has the dems improved the problem?
4. The debt of the country it totally fucked up. Thank God I'm not a citizen here. It's insanly bad and I'm not sure if the average person fully grasps how fiscal policy works but I'll explain it in simple terms. The US is in trouble and that means life is going to get REALLY shitty for a lot of people and it's not the rich. We leave like I just did. Those that can't leave, suffer, and their children suffer due to increased taxes with less social services (thats the only way to fix debt or you just bankrupt the country which is even worse).
5. You can tell when a politician is lying because their lips are moving. With that said, if we were to count the severity and the number of lies, along with the impact of those lies, are people fully aware of just what the Dems have been caught lying about?
6. The war in Ukraine is trajic. Don't get me started on that. Are you aware how sending money to Ukraine works? I know people send money and I would never critizie helping another human being. The intention of people who donate or believe in voting for sending money to the Ukraine are coming from a humain and charitable position. I can completely understand why they would become upset if someone questioned them. The question is not "do we want to help another human being." The quesion is "Are you aware of how the process of all of this works?" Before you answer, remember that in both Canada and in the US, there are not officially audited financials that show where that money has gone.
7. The Dems had 4 years to fix the country and if the country is worse, what does that tell you? If you ask someone to renovate your house, and halfway through it's on fire and flooding at the same time, but they assure you that they've got it under control, would you keep the same contractor?


The list goes on and this is done via in the back of a car half asleep.

I'm just curious for the life of me WHY the vote for Kamala. I really don't understand and I want to.


One last thing:

I support the right for a woman to choose and I believe both men and woman should have autonomy over their body. If we can agree that we should have autonomy over our own body explain this to me?

The democratic party mandated vaccines and essentially destroyed many people's lives if they didn't comply. There are now many court cases of pilots, nurses, firefighters etc that are winning millions of dollars in court cases against the state for how they were mistreated. It has also been proven, that the vaccine, in many cases, was not safe for specific people and the long term effects are not known. I'm not going to go down some conspiracy or anti-vaccine rabbit hole because it's not necessary. Maybe the vaccine is safe. The truth is that we don't know and we can't know because it takes time. That's why every other single drug or consummable product has a series of tests and trials they have to go through by law because without time, we simply don't know.

While some of you may say they should have mandated the vaccine to save others, that's not autonomy over your own body. It's not autonomy if someone else gets to make the decision, like it or not.

I am not pro-abortion but I'm not anti-abortion either. I think that should be in the in the hands of the would be mother/parents. I am wildly disturbed if someone gets abortions every year or they are terminating their pregnancy in the third trimester though. I'm not saying that gives anyone the right to tell someone what to do but anyone who has 20 abortions and having an abortion at 30 weeks plus should probably abort themselves at that point.

 

[marsvolta]

Somehow wound up over here.

Anyway... A serious question.

As someone who spends 4 months out of the year living in the US, what is the legitimate reasons that someone would have voted for Kamala?

I'm not saying this to be an asshole. I'm curious what about her policy or what plans did she specifically explain that made you compelled to vote for her?

Or was the vote not about her and more about the deomocratic party?


In politics, people often say you vote for the lesser of two evils. Knowing what I know, I would tend to say that's likely an accurate assessment in most cases. Was a vote for Kamala really just a vote to stick it to Trump because you hate his policies?

If it wasn't trump but another candidate such as Vivek or RFK or even someone else that we do know of, would that have changed your vote?

I say this as someone who previously owned a home in a very posh area of California and sold it because I can't stand how badly the state is run. It is literally a real time example of how NOT to run something unless the plan is to run it into the ground. It's absolute insanity. It's sad because the weather is amazing and it's easy to fly in and out of being on the west coast.


I'm not American so I can't vote anyway. I'm just curious for those that voted for Kamala, why?

because...............



And forget about Trump for a moment because he triggers people to the point of causing people to completely lose all capactiy for rational thought. This is part of the problem with Trump.


Imagine you're in a nightclub and you're debating on going home with someone and you have two choices. I feel like the Democratic party ran the politial equivilant of saying "the other person has AIDS so I guess you're coming home with me."

While that may be a good reason to not consider having sex with that person, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to go home with that person either.


Consider the following:

1. Why vote for the party that, under their administration, saw inflation skyrocket. Simply put, are things more or less expensive than they were 4 years ago?
2. The boarder is completely out of control. Are you okay with that? If you are, why? Are you aware of the harm that will cause for many years to come?
3. Racism in the US is a hot topic and if people think the US is racist, I suggest you travel around the rest of the world. You will quickly find out that in comparitive terms it is NOT racist at all (unless you're a straight white male that is) By the way, I'm mixed race, and in the last 4 years, racism has increased in the US under the dems. Why has that happened? Has the dems improved the problem?
4. The debt of the country it totally fucked up. Thank God I'm not a citizen here. It's insanly bad and I'm not sure if the average person fully grasps how fiscal policy works but I'll explain it in simple terms. The US is in trouble and that means life is going to get REALLY shitty for a lot of people and it's not the rich. We leave like I just did. Those that can't leave, suffer, and their children suffer due to increased taxes with less social services (thats the only way to fix debt or you just bankrupt the country which is even worse).
5. You can tell when a politician is lying because their lips are moving. With that said, if we were to count the severity and the number of lies, along with the impact of those lies, are people fully aware of just what the Dems have been caught lying about?
6. The war in Ukraine is trajic. Don't get me started on that. Are you aware how sending money to Ukraine works? I know people send money and I would never critizie helping another human being. The intention of people who donate or believe in voting for sending money to the Ukraine are coming from a humain and charitable position. I can completely understand why they would become upset if someone questioned them. The question is not "do we want to help another human being." The quesion is "Are you aware of how the process of all of this works?" Before you answer, remember that in both Canada and in the US, there are not officially audited financials that show where that money has gone.
7. The Dems had 4 years to fix the country and if the country is worse, what does that tell you? If you ask someone to renovate your house, and halfway through it's on fire and flooding at the same time, but they assure you that they've got it under control, would you keep the same contractor?


The list goes on and this is done via in the back of a car half asleep.

I'm just curious for the life of me WHY the vote for Kamala. I really don't understand and I want to.

there are 155 pages to read in this thread for you.

in other news, the silliness has started.

Trump taps veteran, Fox personality Hegseth for Defense secretary

 

[AMG-GTR]

there are 157 pages to read in this thread for you.

Sorry. I should have said, "Can someone explain it to me rationally."

The scrape and consolidation AI tool produced responses that focused on abortion issues (which I adjusted my post to reflect) or emotionally charged irrational answers.
It also seems that almost every democratic post (this is also true in the US when I've spoken to people) was hyper focused on making sure Trump did not get elected over providing any specific reason why they should vote for the Democratic party.

Also I was shocked to realize that most of the people who voted blue had no actual understanding of how abortion laws actually work. If we remove that issue then I have yet to have anyone explain a rational reason to vote for that party. Also, abortion, while important to some, is wildly unimportant considering the other issues on the table. It's also wildly sad to see a man with 4 daughters saying he voted blue because he wants to make sure all 4 of his daughters are able to get abortions. It's genuinely sad to see something like that.

 

[apple9927]

Hard to debate with the Party that was OK when Obama was considered the " mass deporter" and When Trumps does the same he is downright racist.

Funny how they have such short memories of that.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

No racism there, nothing to SEE!!

 

[VanCityNewb]

Hard to debate with the Party that was OK when Obama was considered the " mass deporter" and When Trumps does the same he is downright racist.

Funny how they have such short memories of that.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

No racism there, nothing to SEE!!

Probably because Obama wasn't being blatantly racist by saying that Latino judges couldn't do their job due to being Mexican.

 

[VanCityNewb]

Sorry. I should have said, "Can someone explain it to me rationally."

The scrape and consolidation AI tool produced responses that focused on abortion issues (which I adjusted my post to reflect) or emotionally charged irrational answers.
It also seems that almost every democratic post (this is also true in the US when I've spoken to people) was hyper focused on making sure Trump did not get elected over providing any specific reason why they should vote for the Democratic party.

Also I was shocked to realize that most of the people who voted blue had no actual understanding of how abortion laws actually work. If we remove that issue then I have yet to have anyone explain a rational reason to vote for that party. Also, abortion, while important to some, is wildly unimportant considering the other issues on the table. It's also wildly sad to see a man with 4 daughters saying he voted blue because he wants to make sure all 4 of his daughters are able to get abortions. It's genuinely sad to see something like that.

It's kind of mind boggling to see this being genuinely posted. Firstly, Trump inherited a booming economy, and left office with the second worst economic record since the great depression. He was an absolutely horrible president, as far as the economy goes. In addition to blowing up the economy like no other president of modern times, he also blew up the deficit and was completely fiscally irresponsible. As all modern Republicans have been. I'll vote for Democrats solely on the basis that they do what the Republicans lie about doing... Being fiscally responsible. That being said, inflation is a global issue, and the US is doing relatively good, all things considered.

And it's hilarious that you think the state with the largest economy in the nation is being run into the ground. Their economy is the envy of almost every other country on earth. If you think the US is successful because everyone wants to move there, California would be the most successful state in the most successful country.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - that I would vote for a box of wet hair, over Trump. He's pretty much the embodiment of the most vile human being... In addition to being completely inept. Simply accepting science, recognizing the value of an advanced degree, getting access to basic healthcare that's the norm in first world countries, being fiscally responsible and not catering to fear and bigotry have become fringe left wing politics, if you listen to American Republicans. Which is just plain normal, in the rest of the world.

The comment on understanding of abortion is equally comedic to me. I've never met a single conservative in America who understood the basic legal and biological facts regarding it. You can start off with incorrectly calling it murder, then incorrectly calling fetuses babies. On to incorrectly stating that women haven't lost rights.

I've been away from the states for a good while now, so I'm not the most in touch with Kamala's campaign, along with the fact that it was rushed and put together at the last second. But I know that the help for first time home buyers is hard to argue against. Unless it's fiscally irresponsible Republicans pretending to suddenly care about money. Her focus on the middle class is more appealing than Trump and conservatives focus on the white upper class. I think being a minority and woman makes her more in touch with women's issues and the minorites, that Trump usually targets. Sensible gun control is also a big one, and probably the one of the biggest issues facing the US. And unlike Trump, she's not concerned with sucking up to our enemies and the biggest fascist dictators in the world, while rebuking and isolating our allies.

But in summary, I think it comes down to the general Democrat issue positions vs Republican positions. As the president can't really pass any legislation by themselves.

 

[PuntMeister]

Somehow wound up over here.

Anyway... A serious question.

As someone who spends 4 months out of the year living in the US, what is the legitimate reasons that someone would have voted for Kamala?

I'm not saying this to be an asshole. I'm curious what about her policy or what plans did she specifically explain that made you compelled to vote for her?

Or was the vote not about her and more about the deomocratic party?


In politics, people often say you vote for the lesser of two evils. Knowing what I know, I would tend to say that's likely an accurate assessment in most cases. Was a vote for Kamala really just a vote to stick it to Trump because you hate his policies?

If it wasn't trump but another candidate such as Vivek or RFK or even someone else that we do know of, would that have changed your vote?

I say this as someone who previously owned a home in a very posh area of California and sold it because I can't stand how badly the state is run. It is literally a real time example of how NOT to run something unless the plan is to run it into the ground. It's absolute insanity. It's sad because the weather is amazing and it's easy to fly in and out of being on the west coast.


I'm not American so I can't vote anyway. I'm just curious for those that voted for Kamala, why?

because...............



And forget about Trump for a moment because he triggers people to the point of causing people to completely lose all capactiy for rational thought. This is part of the problem with Trump.


Imagine you're in a nightclub and you're debating on going home with someone and you have two choices. I feel like the Democratic party ran the politial equivilant of saying "the other person has AIDS so I guess you're coming home with me."

While that may be a good reason to not consider having sex with that person, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to go home with that person either.


Consider the following:

1. Why vote for the party that, under their administration, saw inflation skyrocket. Simply put, are things more or less expensive than they were 4 years ago?
2. The boarder is completely out of control. Are you okay with that? If you are, why? Are you aware of the harm that will cause for many years to come?
3. Racism in the US is a hot topic and if people think the US is racist, I suggest you travel around the rest of the world. You will quickly find out that in comparitive terms it is NOT racist at all (unless you're a straight white male that is) By the way, I'm mixed race, and in the last 4 years, racism has increased in the US under the dems. Why has that happened? Has the dems improved the problem?
4. The debt of the country it totally fucked up. Thank God I'm not a citizen here. It's insanly bad and I'm not sure if the average person fully grasps how fiscal policy works but I'll explain it in simple terms. The US is in trouble and that means life is going to get REALLY shitty for a lot of people and it's not the rich. We leave like I just did. Those that can't leave, suffer, and their children suffer due to increased taxes with less social services (thats the only way to fix debt or you just bankrupt the country which is even worse).
5. You can tell when a politician is lying because their lips are moving. With that said, if we were to count the severity and the number of lies, along with the impact of those lies, are people fully aware of just what the Dems have been caught lying about?
6. The war in Ukraine is trajic. Don't get me started on that. Are you aware how sending money to Ukraine works? I know people send money and I would never critizie helping another human being. The intention of people who donate or believe in voting for sending money to the Ukraine are coming from a humain and charitable position. I can completely understand why they would become upset if someone questioned them. The question is not "do we want to help another human being." The quesion is "Are you aware of how the process of all of this works?" Before you answer, remember that in both Canada and in the US, there are not officially audited financials that show where that money has gone.
7. The Dems had 4 years to fix the country and if the country is worse, what does that tell you? If you ask someone to renovate your house, and halfway through it's on fire and flooding at the same time, but they assure you that they've got it under control, would you keep the same contractor?


The list goes on and this is done via in the back of a car half asleep.

I'm just curious for the life of me WHY the vote for Kamala. I really don't understand and I want to.


One last thing:

I support the right for a woman to choose and I believe both men and woman should have autonomy over their body. If we can agree that we should have autonomy over our own body explain this to me?

The democratic party mandated vaccines and essentially destroyed many people's lives if they didn't comply. There are now many court cases of pilots, nurses, firefighters etc that are winning millions of dollars in court cases against the state for how they were mistreated. It has also been proven, that the vaccine, in many cases, was not safe for specific people and the long term effects are not known. I'm not going to go down some conspiracy or anti-vaccine rabbit hole because it's not necessary. Maybe the vaccine is safe. The truth is that we don't know and we can't know because it takes time. That's why every other single drug or consummable product has a series of tests and trials they have to go through by law because without time, we simply don't know.

While some of you may say they should have mandated the vaccine to save others, that's not autonomy over your own body. It's not autonomy if someone else gets to make the decision, like it or not.

I am not pro-abortion but I'm not anti-abortion either. I think that should be in the in the hands of the would be mother/parents. I am wildly disturbed if someone gets abortions every year or they are terminating their pregnancy in the third trimester though. I'm not saying that gives anyone the right to tell someone what to do but anyone who has 20 abortions and having an abortion at 30 weeks plus should probably abort themselves at that point.

Regrets on you winding up over here. It’s like your phone just fell into the toilet! Lol.

You make some good points—similar to questioning the unending polarized rhetoric. So good on you for that. Objectivity is severely lacking in political debates imho. Anyone who only sees one side of the coin will forever be a slave to heads or tails. Here on Perb, some like seeking Head, some like chasing Tails. Some are just Trolls that have nothing good to say sbout anything, and likely have repressed mommy issues. You remind me that both ideals have pro’s and con’s. And I gleefully ignore all fucktards that can only see one side of it.

Thanks for the curiosity. More refreshing than the Inquisition.

 

[AMG-GTR]

I think both sides are insane to be honest.

It's kind of mind boggling to see this being genuinely posted. Firstly, Trump inherited a booming economy, and left office with the second worst economic record since the great depression. He was an absolutely horrible president, as far as the economy goes. In addition to blowing up the economy like no other president of modern times, he also blew up the deficit and was completely fiscally irresponsible. As all modern Republicans have been. I'll vote for Democrats solely on the basis that they do what the Republicans lie about doing... Being fiscally responsible. That being said, inflation is a global issue, and the US is doing relatively good, all things considered.

And it's hilarious that you think the state with the largest economy in the nation is being run into the ground. Their economy is the envy of almost every other country on earth. If you think the US is successful because everyone wants to move there, California would be the most successful state in the most successful country.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - that I would vote for a box of wet hair, over Trump. He's pretty much the embodiment of the most vile human being... In addition to being completely inept. Simply accepting science, recognizing the value of an advanced degree, getting access to basic healthcare that's the norm in first world countries, being fiscally responsible and not catering to fear and bigotry have become fringe left wing politics, if you listen to American Republicans. Which is just plain normal, in the rest of the world.

The comment on understanding of abortion is equally comedic to me. I've never met a single conservative in America who understood the basic legal and biological facts regarding it. You can start off with incorrectly calling it murder, then incorrectly calling fetuses babies. On to incorrectly stating that women haven't lost rights.

I've been away from the states for a good while now, so I'm not the most in touch with Kamala's campaign, along with the fact that it was rushed and put together at the last second. But I know that the help for first time home buyers is hard to argue against. Unless it's fiscally irresponsible Republicans pretending to suddenly care about money. Her focus on the middle class is more appealing than Trump and conservatives focus on the white upper class. I think being a minority and woman makes her more in touch with women's issues and the minorites, that Trump usually targets. Sensible gun control is also a big one, and probably the one of the biggest issues facing the US. And unlike Trump, she's not concerned with sucking up to our enemies and the biggest fascist dictators in the world, while rebuking and isolating our allies.

But in summary, I think it comes down to the general Democrat issue positions vs Republican positions. As the president can't really pass any legislation by themselves.

Thanks for providing some details.

Republicans have historically racked up a lot of debt and trying to account for why that is difficult to track. If I was to guess, it's likely military spending and the tax cuts while continuing to spend the same amounts on expenditures. It's interesting because the other side of our government in Canada under Harper, was great at being fiscally responsible (or at least more so than now). I guess Canada's conservatives are also conservative with spending.

Inflation is also a global problem, and I would say the US has a much better handle on it than Canada by a considerable margin. Posted data doesn't reflect the realities of the average person in both countries since the CPI is a straight up lie in the way it's used.

While California has a larger economy than some countries, the State as a whole has become a shell of the former glory. Big Tech still has a good stranglehold in the State which makes it appear strong from an economic point of view but a lot of people in many areas are doing quite badly. Vancouver isn't doing so hot either if we want to compare.

My reason for moving was not one specific reason, but the State is getting way too regulated and the rules make no sense. It's also unsafe and this is true even in nicer areas such as where I used to live. The economic prosperity from a economic report doesn't really tell the story of the economic success of the citizens of the state. That may sound a bit confusing but due to the massive wealth divide, while some people are doing very well, too many people are in a very bad spot. This is part of the reason around the wild amounts of crime. Regulatory issues in the state have cause piles of issues such as car insurance going through the roof, and some house insurance isn't even available even if you can afford it. Crime is to out of control but it doesn't show up in the stats because people stopped reporting it.

The US gun laws are wild. I totally get the idea of having a gun but in some states, it's easier to get a gun then it is to get a fishing license.

My issue with Kamala is that after watching a fair number of her debates and speeches, she didn't provide me with any answers even to very basic questions she was being asked. That doesn't mean Trump is suddenly the right choice, but I have yet to hear her say one thing that made any sense at all and I have never heard her even communicate in a way that even showed she understood the nature of the questions she was being asked. The same thing could be said for Biden for that matter although it's hard to know if that was because of his mental decline or something else.

The bigger problem in the US is that whenever an issue is addressed, rather than discussing the actual issue and trying to find a solution, the other side immediately goes on the attack.

It's like trying to argue with a chick. You start talking about one issue and then she brings up 3 unrelated things from 6 months ago and then you're arguing about shit in the past.


The other issue is that the propeganda is so heavy in the US (Canada as well) and the avergae person still believes what they see in the media.

I'd say the west is finished but it's sort of the same everywhere. I guess we will see what the next 4 years brings.

 

[VanCityNewb]

I think both sides are insane to be honest.


Thanks for providing some details.

Republicans have historically racked up a lot of debt and trying to account for why that is difficult to track. If I was to guess, it's likely military spending and the tax cuts while continuing to spend the same amounts on expenditures. It's interesting because the other side of our government in Canada under Harper, was great at being fiscally responsible (or at least more so than now). I guess Canada's conservatives are also conservative with spending.

Inflation is also a global problem, and I would say the US has a much better handle on it than Canada by a considerable margin. Posted data doesn't reflect the realities of the average person in both countries since the CPI is a straight up lie in the way it's used.

While California has a larger economy than some countries, the State as a whole has become a shell of the former glory. Big Tech still has a good stranglehold in the State which makes it appear strong from an economic point of view but a lot of people in many areas are doing quite badly. Vancouver isn't doing so hot either if we want to compare.

My reason for moving was not one specific reason, but the State is getting way too regulated and the rules make no sense. It's also unsafe and this is true even in nicer areas such as where I used to live. The economic prosperity from a economic report doesn't really tell the story of the economic success of the citizens of the state. That may sound a bit confusing but due to the massive wealth divide, while some people are doing very well, too many people are in a very bad spot. This is part of the reason around the wild amounts of crime. Regulatory issues in the state have cause piles of issues such as car insurance going through the roof, and some house insurance isn't even available even if you can afford it. Crime is to out of control but it doesn't show up in the stats because people stopped reporting it.

The US gun laws are wild. I totally get the idea of having a gun but in some states, it's easier to get a gun then it is to get a fishing license.

My issue with Kamala is that after watching a fair number of her debates and speeches, she didn't provide me with any answers even to very basic questions she was being asked. That doesn't mean Trump is suddenly the right choice, but I have yet to hear her say one thing that made any sense at all and I have never heard her even communicate in a way that even showed she understood the nature of the questions she was being asked. The same thing could be said for Biden for that matter although it's hard to know if that was because of his mental decline or something else.

The bigger problem in the US is that whenever an issue is addressed, rather than discussing the actual issue and trying to find a solution, the other side immediately goes on the attack.

It's like trying to argue with a chick. You start talking about one issue and then she brings up 3 unrelated things from 6 months ago and then you're arguing about shit in the past.


The other issue is that the propeganda is so heavy in the US (Canada as well) and the avergae person still believes what they see in the media.

I'd say the west is finished but it's sort of the same everywhere. I guess we will see what the next 4 years brings.

I don't think it's really a mystery why Republicans are horrible with the deficit. Democrats understand basic principles of economics, where you increase taxes when things are prosperous, so that you can then cut taxes when a recession hits, and use that stored up money when times are rough. And you tax the people who can afford it more, which will also net you the most money. Republicans just cut taxes all of the time, then spend out of control when things get tough. So they're never going to start paying for the debts that have accrued. And of course, they're never going to tax the people making the most money, who would contribute the most, at anything above the absolute bare minimum. So one decreases the debt, and one increases it. Every. Single. Time.

And that trickles down to the states. Democrats again control the biggest economic strongholds in the country, in New York and California. Red states make the least, and so statistically, it's always the blue states paying the federal government more than they get, just so that all of that money can be used as welfare money for the red states. And then, the youngest and poorest people from red states get disaffected with their surroundings, and end up moving to those same blue states. So that even the poorest people and criminals flood these blue states and cities, looking for a piece of the pie. And the blue states will still institute programs to ensure that they have their basic necessities are met. While red states, with people like Ron Desantis, will just start literally shipping migrants to California for them to deal with.

But yes, Democrats run the big cities, which will always have more crime. Whether it's Los Angeles, Seattle or Vancouver, the same rings true. Republicans don't really have to worry about it much, because they don't run any of the nation's biggest cities. And California has literally always had tons of regulations.

Going back to Hillary, I thought she had an incredibly nuanced understanding of foreign policy and relations. Similarly, I think Kamala has a great understanding of the inner workings of the judicial system, and gives very detailed and nuanced answers to questions dealing with these topics. I love listening to both of them talk about issues within their sphere of expertise. That said, I don't think anybody can compare either of them to Donald Trump, and criticize their ability to answer questions. Trump can't even answer a question without going completely off topic, lying through his teeth, or both. He has no relevant knowledge or experience on anything related to government, at all. So while I think Kamala could do a better job with answering certain questions, I think a lot of it is explained by her only formulating positions on issues in an incredibly short amount of time, due to an incredibly compressed campaign.

 

[Drjohn]

I don't think it's really a mystery why Republicans are horrible with the deficit. Democrats understand basic principles of economics, where you increase taxes when things are prosperous, so that you can then cut taxes when a recession hits, and use that stored up money when times are rough. And you tax the people who can afford it more, which will also net you the most money. Republicans just cut taxes all of the time, then spend out of control when things get tough. So they're never going to start paying for the debts that have accrued. And of course, they're never going to tax the people making the most money, who would contribute the most, at anything above the absolute bare minimum. So one decreases the debt, and one increases it. Every. Single. Time.

And that trickles down to the states. Democrats again control the biggest economic strongholds in the country, in New York and California. Red states make the least, and so statistically, it's always the blue states paying the federal government more than they get, just so that all of that money can be used as welfare money for the red states. And then, the youngest and poorest people from red states get disaffected with their surroundings, and end up moving to those same blue states. So that even the poorest people and criminals flood these blue states and cities, looking for a piece of the pie. And the blue states will still institute programs to ensure that they have their basic necessities are met. While red states, with people like Ron Desantis, will just start literally shipping migrants to California for them to deal with.

But yes, Democrats run the big cities, which will always have more crime. Whether it's Los Angeles, Seattle or Vancouver, the same rings true. Republicans don't really have to worry about it much, because they don't run any of the nation's biggest cities. And California has literally always had tons of regulations.

Going back to Hillary, I thought she had an incredibly nuanced understanding of foreign policy and relations. Similarly, I think Kamala has a great understanding of the inner workings of the judicial system, and gives very detailed and nuanced answers to questions dealing with these topics. I love listening to both of them talk about issues within their sphere of expertise. That said, I don't think anybody can compare either of them to Donald Trump, and criticize their ability to answer questions. Trump can't even answer a question without going completely off topic, lying through his teeth, or both. He has no relevant knowledge or experience on anything related to government, at all. So while I think Kamala could do a better job with answering certain questions, I think a lot of it is explained by her only formulating positions on issues in an incredibly short amount of time, due to an incredibly compressed campaign.

Case study on what not to do when your prefered politician is destroyed by every measure in an election.

Double and triple down on how amazing your candidate (the loser) was.

Double and triple down on how terrible their opponent (the winner) was.

Kamala Harris was the worst candidate ever to run for President, even worse than Hillary Clinton.

She was a word salad spewing, puppet in a pantsuit.

She represented the failed policies of the Biden administration and she had no ideas of her own.

Trump has his flaws, but the majority of the people saw through the lies and the paid celebrity shills.

They chose the lesser of the two evils.

So, keep digging that hole that you're in.

It's not going to change anything.

 

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Trump thanks Biden for smooth transition

talk about eye rolls.. hilarious!

 

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The paid endorsements are all coming out now. Paying 500k t0 1 million for Beyonce, Oprah. Talk about some serious bullshit. I don't think MSNBC or the view will bring it up. Never has the mainstream media been such a joke has now.

 

[marsvolta]

Trump on track to destroy the economy? i think most people in finance are hoping that his immigration and tariff policies are just political hype. The US economy has never been stronger. its on fire at the moment.

but those circles get pretty nervous that Trump is just thinking about his image as some economic genius. which he is not. and surrounding himself with sycophants to the point where he gets that dictator problem of not knowing whats actually going on. hope Musk is close by.

Trump ‘border czar’ says administration will conduct workplace immigration raids

“Where do we find most victims of sex trafficking and forced labor trafficking? At worksites,”

i think we might be safe here. not sure how "millions" of people are going to get deported. there are not "millions" of people standing around or being sex trafficked or forced into labor. they are working their butts off. they are propping up an economy that has not been able to keep its population growing. half of the voting population clearly don't get that without immigration then the economy stagnates and shrinks.

Lighthizer and his allies lay groundwork for Trump’s massive new tariffs

this is a little more concerning. 20% tariff on everything? on day one? then inflation will be at 20% on day one! i get it that Trump talks to economists and his eyes glaze over so he goes and talks to Stephen Miller or some other idiot. this really cannot happen.

raising the price of a toothbrush by 20% does not suddenly make producing a toothbrush in the US economical because, for one, US labour is not pennies a day like in China. toothbrushes will just be 20% more expensive. i get that Trump wants to use that money to offset more tax decreases for people like himself... but what does that do to the overall economy? the public can actually afford it. they've never made more money. they've never been more wealthy. the rich will just get richer and the poor more poor. regressive taxation. but it may have a devastating impact on certain parts of the economy that will wreak havoc on the markets.