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marsvolta

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Record breaking deficits are record breaking deficits - that you would imply "this guy's" record deficit is "bad" and "that guy's" record deficit is "good" is a foolish notion. What doesn't change is that those record deficits (and the increase in respective national debt) will be the burden of the each country's citizens - either by way of higher future taxes and/or reduced future expenditures/services, as was witnessed in this country in the 90's. Short term gain for long term pain is not a favourable/positive scenario - regardless of who is doing such things.
i agree completely! and so all of that stuff should have been paid for by tax payers... but the baby boomers who started the whole legal deficit thing and have spent the next several generations money on their lavish lifestyles should pay it off now! they can certainly afford it.

money well spent is not a bad thing either way... in Trumps case he didn't spend money for some good outcome, he just increased the deficit by not collecting taxes from the richest of the population.
 

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Maybe companies should stop hiring 'illegal immigrants' in the US? See how that would work out for their economy.
Never mind their economy....what about our food prices ?
 

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Yes, the infamous January 6th "Insurrection".

Property damage was minimal, a couple of million dollars.

One person killed, ironically one of the "insurrectionists" shot and killed by a Capital police officer.

Compare that to the mostly peaceful BLM and Antifa riots that caused hundreds of millions in property damage and multiple deaths.

Pretty similar.
 

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i agree completely! and so all of that stuff should have been paid for by tax payers... but the baby boomers who started the whole legal deficit thing and have spent the next several generations money on their lavish lifestyles should pay it off now! they can certainly afford it.

money well spent is not a bad thing either way... in Trumps case he didn't spend money for some good outcome, he just increased the deficit by not collecting taxes from the richest of the population.
LOL! No, you don't completely agree.

I stated citizens shoulder the burden (as demonstrated by our country's experience of the 90's). You seemed to believe (or are hoping) that the burden will be shouldered only by certain taxpayers, as you put it, "boomers".
 

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So, you're comparing Trump's total deficits to Trudeau's pandemic deficit, is that right? So, four year's of Trump deficits compared to 1 year of pandemic deficit for Trudeau? Wow, you're really cherry picking there! LOL

Trump's pandemic deficit was $3.1 trillion dollars (based on US Federal Reserve stats) and Trudeau's pandemic deficit was $327 billion (based on audited financial statements of the Govt of Canada). Yes, the US deficit was much larger - because the US is larger. Based on population at the time, the per capita pandemic deficit in the US vs Canada was approx $9300 per person in US vs approx $8600 per person in Canada. That is very similar, that's in the same ballpark. In other words, whether it was US deficit spending during the pandemic year vs Canada's - it's about the same. But of course, in your mind you justify Trudeau's and criticize Trump's because, well, due to your own bias - which in turn leads to you cherry picking (i.e. comparing 4 years of Trump deficits to 1 year of Trudeau's pandemic deficit), ignoring obvious things like the US (population wise) being about 8-9x larger and then saying asinine things like "relatively small amount of debt" because you purposefully ignored the obvious (i.e. the US is 8-9x larger than Canada)! LOL

Mate, you should just stick to saying things like "Trump bad" or "Cons bad". And what you need to do is stop trying "prove" your point that "Trump bad, Cons bad" with supposed "evidence". It's clear as day you cherry pick due to bias. It's clear as day you don't know how to make objective/logical comparisons/analysis - and therefore your "evidence" lacks any semblance of credibility! LOL
Such a bs argument. In one case (Trump) one of his first act was to give massive tax breaks for the 1% of Americans. Where the spending goes is an important discriminator.

You should stick to giving tax advice to pre-adolecents mate, they're likely the only ones who'll believe your Ayn Rand fanfics.
 

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People that are fans of an open border, persistent inflation and rampant crime should vote for Biden.

Only crazy Trump supporters want border security, a good economy and law and order.

Orange man bad!!!!
I think people can want border security, a good economy and law and order... and still think that Trump is not someone that they would want to give even a modicum of power to.. Look at all the Republicans that are voting for Nikki Haley even though she's no longer on the ballot. Just a thought. Trump seems to be very polarizing and causing voters to focus on the "man" and not the "motivation". I've never understood why Charisma "trumps" common sense. Can't a voter believe in Republican ideals and Not believe in Trump? Not trying to attack anyone, not trying to be partisan.. just pointing out the disconnect between the cause and effect. Isn't it possible for Dems and Repubs to collaborate and compromise (how politics usually work).. to get a border deal, improve the economy and support law and order?
Maybe I'm too naive for American politics. Good thing I'm Canadian.
 

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Yes, the infamous January 6th "Insurrection".

Property damage was minimal, a couple of million dollars.

One person killed, ironically one of the "insurrectionists" shot and killed by a Capital police officer.

Compare that to the mostly peaceful BLM and Antifa riots that caused hundreds of millions in property damage and multiple deaths.

Pretty similar.


Five people
Five people died during or after the attack, including four protesters and one police officer, and approximately 140 officers suffered injuries, according to the Department of Justice.
Jan 6 US Capitol riot by the numbers: Breakdown of investigation i…
abc13.com/jan-6-insurrection-us-capitol-riot/11428976/

abc13.com/jan-6-insurrection-us-capitol-riot/11428976/



These Are the People Who Died in the Capitol Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
 
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appleomac

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Such a bs argument. In one case (Trump) one of his first act was to give massive tax breaks for the 1% of Americans. Where the spending goes is an important discriminator.

You should stick to giving tax advice to pre-adolecents mate, they're likely the only ones who'll believe your Ayn Rand fanfics.
The so called "Trump tax cuts" were broad based. The only income group that didn't get a tax cut was those making $10k or less, that federal income tax rate stayed the same. Most tax bracket rates went down by 2-4% AND the brackets were re-done to lower thresholds, meaning in some cases, tax rates went up. As an example, Americans making $38,700 - $93,700 previously had a tax rate of 25%, that went down to 22% AND the upper end of the bracket was lowered to $82,500. Another example, previously the US had a $195k to $425k tax bracket where the income tax rate was 33%. That bracket's rate was reduced to 32% AND the bracket was re-done to be $157k to $200k. And everyone making over $200k to the old threshold of $425k, the rate went up to 35%, when previously those making $200k to $425k would be taxed at 33% (that would be a tax increase).

So no, the "Trump tax cuts" weren't simply about tax cuts for the rich. They were broad based cuts, generally. AND, some rates went up because of the changing of bracket thresholds. But of course, you didn't know that because why let facts get in the way of your narrative! LOL
 
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Crookedmember

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So, you're comparing Trump's total deficits to Trudeau's pandemic deficit, is that right? So, four year's of Trump deficits compared to 1 year of pandemic deficit for Trudeau? Wow, you're really cherry picking there! LOL

Trump's pandemic deficit was $3.1 trillion dollars (based on US Federal Reserve stats) and Trudeau's pandemic deficit was $327 billion (based on audited financial statements of the Govt of Canada). Yes, the US deficit was much larger - because the US is larger. Based on population at the time, the per capita pandemic deficit in the US vs Canada was approx $9300 per person in US vs approx $8600 per person in Canada. That is very similar, that's in the same ballpark. In other words, whether it was US deficit spending during the pandemic year vs Canada's - it's about the same. But of course, in your mind you justify Trudeau's and criticize Trump's because, well, due to your own bias - which in turn leads to you cherry picking (i.e. comparing 4 years of Trump deficits to 1 year of Trudeau's pandemic deficit), ignoring obvious things like the US (population wise) being about 8-9x larger and then saying asinine things like "relatively small amount of debt" because you purposefully ignored the obvious (i.e. the US is 8-9x larger than Canada)! LOL

Mate, you should just stick to saying things like "Trump bad" or "Cons bad". And what you need to do is stop trying "prove" your point that "Trump bad, Cons bad" with supposed "evidence". It's clear as day you cherry pick due to bias. It's clear as day you don't know how to make objective/logical comparisons/analysis - and therefore your "evidence" lacks any semblance of credibility! LOL

That's a pile of horseshit. Trump was in office for barely a year of the pandemic. The voters gave his fat ass the boot in November '20. Trudeau was there the whole time.

Trump's $8 trillion of debt over 4 years was due almost entirely the cost of his tax cuts for billionaires.

$8 trillion over 4 years adjusted for population and exchange is C$ 1.4 trillion. Something Trudeau didn't even come close to.

Keep in mind Republican presidents are responsible for most of US federal debt, just like two Canadian conservative prime ministers (Mulroney + Harper $640 billion) were responsible for most of Canada's federal debt prior to the pandemic.
 

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Yes, the infamous January 6th "Insurrection".

Property damage was minimal, a couple of million dollars.

One person killed, ironically one of the "insurrectionists" shot and killed by a Capital police officer.

Compare that to the mostly peaceful BLM and Antifa riots that caused hundreds of millions in property damage and multiple deaths.

Pretty similar.
Yes, let's compare people acting out against police brutality vs a bunch of sheep that couldn't handle a loss of an election

They all came running when their master blew his horn to assemble and heed his advice to cause destruction

Lets not forgot about the solider Kyle Rittenhouse, underage with an automatic weapon, kills 3 people and gets off free.... The republicans had no problem saying the justice system was fair then

Thers no reasoning with all these sheep that will follow the orange turd to the depths of the bottom of the sea
 

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appleomac

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That's a pile of horseshit. Trump was in office for barely a year of the pandemic. The voters gave his fat ass the boot in November '20. Trudeau was there the whole time.
US general elections are in Nov and the president-elect assumes office in the following January. You understand that right? Facetious question, clearly you don't understand that. Now, you can argue all you want about how long Covid lasted, but it is undeniable fact, that Trump was in fact US President for the entirety of 2020.

Trump's $8 trillion of debt over 4 years was due almost entirely the cost of his tax cuts for billionaires.
Show your work! LOL I mean, I know how to look up US treasury data on deficits, do you? I'll make it easy for you, here's a solid link..

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year

Now, add up those 4 years of Trump's deficits, how much was it? Is it actually $8 trillion you are claiming? Who is more reliable, a US federal government website run/managed by the US Treasury Department and the Office of Fiscal Services or you? LOL

$8 trillion over 4 years adjusted for population and exchange is C$ 1.4 trillion. Something Trudeau didn't even come close to.
Again, show your work. I'm sorry, but in another thread, you claimed Mulroney's deficits (adjusted for inflation) is $2 trillion, which is false. So, as I stated previously to you in that other thread, do you really just pull numbers out of your arse? Why can't you show your work? LOL

Keep in mind Republican presidents are responsible for most of US federal debt, just like two Canadian conservative prime ministers (Mulroney + Harper $640 billion) were responsible for most of Canada's federal debt prior to the pandemic.
Again, show your work! LOL
 

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Five people
Five people died during or after the attack, including four protesters and one police officer, and approximately 140 officers suffered injuries, according to the Department of Justice.
Jan 6 US Capitol riot by the numbers: Breakdown of investigation i…
abc13.com/jan-6-insurrection-us-capitol-riot/11428976/

abc13.com/jan-6-insurrection-us-capitol-riot/11428976/



These Are the People Who Died in the Capitol Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
I SAID ONE PERSON WAS "KILLED"

I'M AWARE THAT SOME PEOPLE DIED.

THE POLICE OFFICER DIED THE NEXT DAY OF A STROKE.

DURING THE BLM/ANTIFA MOSTLY PEACEFUL RIOTS, DOZENS OF PEOPLE WERE "KILLED".

MURDERED.

I HOPE THE ALL CAPS WAS HELPFUL TO YOU.

YOUR COMPREHENSION SEEMS TO BE LACKING.
 
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