USA Political Thread 2024

[Crookedmember]

Trump can't sell his DJT for 6 months.

By that time, it should be worth pennies.

Everything Trump touches turns to shit.

 

[angry anderson]

Trump can't sell his DJT for 6 months.

By that time, it should be worth pennies.

Everything Trump touches turns to shit.

I'm loving shorting the shit out of it.

 

[jgg]

You missed my point, but that's OK.

Exaggerating your wealth in financial statements is not against the law.

It's common.

Let me explain it in simple terms that everyone can understand.

If I go the bank and ask to borrow a million dollars against a building I say is worth 10 million dollars, they don't just take my word for it.

They will do their own assessment and act accordingly.

This is what happened in New York with Trump.

When tax is assesed, that assessment is made by the tax department.

Trump doesn't decide how much tax he has to pay.

This is basic stuff.

Unless you have TDS.

I do not know your circumstances or business, nor you mine. But for every mortgage, term loan and line of credit for business or personal, I have had to sign my name that my financial statements, net worth statements, appraisals, valuations and confirmation of credit are factual, honest and truthful representations of my businesses and personal affairs. To state otherwise would likely land me most in legal problems, destruction of my business and personal reputation and at the least, loss of credit and a personally tanked credit rating, because I was being fraudulent.

 

[Drjohn]

The GOP has been guilty of election fraud since Trump falsely told them he won, what a Con Artist pos, and now they are still on this path all they care about is getting power at all costs smh🤦🏻‍♂️

As reoported by Peter Stone in Washington
RNC plan for 2020 denialist to head ‘election integrity’ unit raises alarms
Christina Bobb, who was part of Trump-backed fake elector scheme, tapped to run unit by Republican National Committee
As Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has cemented its hold on the Republican National Committee (RNC), alarms are being raised about the organisation’s tapping of the fervent election denialist Christina Bobb to run an “election integrity” unit.
Bobb is a former Trump lawyer and ex-reporter for the far-right One America News Network, who gained prominence after Trump’s 2020 loss for promoting bogus fraud charges in Arizona, Wisconsin and elsewhere, and was part of Trump-backed efforts to substitute fake electors for ones that Joe Biden won in some states.
RNC asks job applicants if they believe 2020 election was stolen in ‘litmus test’
Bobb helped spread phoney voting fraud claims with Trump’s former lawyer Rudy Giuliani and the former campaign operative Mike Roman, both of whom along with Trump and others face charges in Fulton county, Georgia, of conspiring to overturn Biden’s win there; Bobb was not charged.

Last year Bobb wrote Stealing Your Vote: The Inside Story of the 2020 Election and What It Means for 2024, a book that was chock full of baseless charges about 2020 election fraud.
Former judges, ex-Republican congressmen and election watchdogs voice strong concerns about Bobb’s mission and the potential dangers posed by her flood of erroneous charges of voting fraud.
“By designating Bobb to the RNC post, they’re beginning to promulgate the same false narrative of widespread election fraud that we saw in 2020 and 2021 but way earlier,” said John Jones, a former federal judge in Pennsylvania and now president of Dickinson College.
“There’s a concept known as illusory truth,” he added. “If you keep saying these same falsehoods over and over, people begin to believe they’re true, and it has the potential to morph into violence. That puts judges, prosecutors and others at risk.”
The RNC has not only become an arm of the Trump campaign, but an outlet for the most extreme elements of the election denial movement
Charlie Dent
The RNC’s hiring of Bobb comes as Trump keeps falsely claiming that the 2020 election was rigged and talks up new efforts this year to “guard the vote” to ferret out potential fraud. Experts have conclusively said fraud was not a factor in Trump’s loss by over 7 million votes, and stressed that historically voting fraud has been minimal.
Bobb’s “election integrity” post at the RNC is expected to involve teams of poll workers, poll watchers and other efforts in swing states and she has begun talking with key Maga allies with similar missions. Bobb last month told the far-right reporter Breanna Morello that her top goal is “empowering the grassroots”.
Bobb was on at least one conference call in March with a half-dozen Trump-allied groups including ones that echo her false claims about 2020 election fraud, according to a person on the call, who said: “We’re all going to coordinate.”
Among the groups on the call, he added, was Arizona-based Turning Point Action, which has a track record of promoting falsehoods about 2020 election fraud.
Many experts raise red flags about Bobb’s new RNC post.
The former Republican congressman Charlie Dent said the RNC’s hiring of Bobb “is a further indication of how the RNC has not only become an arm of the Trump campaign, but an outlet for the most extreme elements of the election denial movement”.
Likewise, the ex-Republican congressman Dave Trott predicted: “Bobb will be leading the charge and saying the election was rigged if Trump loses.”
Some key Democrats are also alarmed by what Bobb’s RNC role may presage.

“Putting Christina Bobb in charge of election integrity is like putting Donald Trump in charge of integrity,” the Democratic congressman Jamie Raskin said. “They’re designing a platform for lies to wage the next insurrection.”
Although Bobb’s “election integrity” slot is new and a work in progress, the RNC’s new leadership seems to be banking on her.
Headache for campaign team as Trump gets the band back together
Lara Trump, the new RNC vice-chair and Trump’s daughter-in-law, told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on 12 March: “We have the first-ever election integrity division at the [RNC]. That means massive resources going to this one thing.”
Lara Trump added: “We will have trained poll watchers, poll observers, poll workers, people in tabulation centers all across this country,” and signaled that volunteers for these slots and lawyers are needed.

Bobb, whose official RNC title is senior counsel for election integrity, wrote on X: “I’m honored to be a part of the new team at the RNC.”
Besides Bobb, the RNC in March tapped Charlie Spies, who had previously served as its election law counsel, to be its chief counsel.
Further, the RNC also named William McGinley, a veteran election lawyer who worked in the Trump administration, as outside counsel for election integrity, a move that could presage more litigation.
But Bobb’s litany of baseless fraud claims as she worked with key Trump allies to overturn the 2020 election results, shadow her new RNC role.
For instance, Bobb used her perch at One America News Network (OAN) to spread bogus claims of fraud that led to a defamation lawsuit against her and OAN by the voting technology firm Dominion; Bobb and OAN have both denied any wrongdoing.
Separately Bobb signed a letter falsely certifying to the justice department on Trump’s behalf in 2022 that after a “diligent search” he had returned all the classified documents the special counsel Jack Smith later charged the former president with illegally taking to Mar-a-Lago after he left the White House.
A subsequent FBI raid found about 100 classified documents; Bobb, who reportedly was interviewed by the FBI, indicated that another lawyer drafted the letter she signed.
Given that Bobb was only tapped for her RNC post this month, it is unclear whether she has begun recruiting staff or taken other steps to develop the RNC’s election integrity program.
But a source close to the Trump campaign stressed that “the key to election observing is redundancy”, meaning that it would involve multiple coordinated efforts, which suggests that the RNC program will be done in tandem with similar poll-watching and poll worker drives by Trump allied groups.
The need for “redundancy” and Bobb’s early conference call with several outside groups are emerging as key strategies for Bobb, as she revealed in an interview on 15 March with Morello, a conservative journalist who used to be with Fox News.
A dangerous sign of how entrenched the election denial movement has become on the right
Chioma Chukwu
Bobb told Morello that her top goal at the RNC is “empowering the grassroots. This has to be a grassroots approach … We have to empower people in their communities.”
The RNC press office did not reply to a request for comment.
The RNC’s election integrity drive this year comes after a few decades when a moratorium was imposed on RNC poll-watching operations due to aggressive tactics it employed in 1981 that went beyond permissible programs.
At some polling places in New Jersey in 1981, the GOP used off-duty police officers and provided rewards to some people who claimed they had evidence of voting fraud. After those incidents, the party agreed to halt poll-watching efforts until 2018, when the moratorium terminated.

Still, some lawyers and election veterans are troubled by the RNC’s hiring of Bobb given her history of election denialism and Trump’s obsession with debunked claims of fraud in 2020.
“I don’t think it’s a good thing when a major party hires fringe characters who don’t understand how elections work,” said David Becker, the executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research.
Other lawyers express similar worries about Bobb’s background.
South Carolina Republicans can use discriminatory map for 2024, court rules
“It’s unclear whether the RNC wants those who are not already loyalists to take its commitment to ‘election integrity’ seriously,” said the former federal prosecutor and Columbia law professor Daniel Richman.
“But if it does, picking someone who, according to the Florida indictment against Trump, was the vehicle for certifying his false statements about returning all the classified documents in his possession, is an odd choice.”
Looking ahead, Chioma Chukwu, the deputy executive director of the watchdog group American Oversight, called Bobb’s hiring by the RNC “a dangerous sign of how entrenched the election denial movement has become on the right”.

I read this whole article (against my better judgment).

Peter Stone is a freelance "investigative journalist" who writes hit pieces for left wing publications.

There are a lot of claims, suppositions and half truths.

A very long article that says a lot of things and mentions a lot of people.

I didn't see any proof about any particular crimes or misdeeds.

I think Biden won the 2020 election.

Was there massive voter fraud?

I don't think so.

Unfortunately due the current system of voting , voting machines etc, It’s almost impossible to be 100% sure of the voting process.

There are a lot of idiot Trump supporters running around yelling about a rigged election. They are mistaken

Trump is playing games himself by saying the election was "stolen".

It's not a crime for one politician to claim the other side is committing fraud.

They all lie, cheat and steal.

Who do you want running the country?

You can vote Democrat.

You will get Sleepy Joe Biden (and Harris the word salad lady) inflation, crime and out of control illegal immigration.

Or you can hold your nose and vote for Trump.

Unfortunately, those are the choices.

 

[jgg]

I read this whole article (against my better judgment).

Peter Stone is a freelance "investigative journalist" who writes hit pieces for left wing publications.

There are a lot of claims, suppositions and half truths.

A very long article that says a lot of things and mentions a lot of people.

I didn't see any proof about any particular crimes or misdeeds.

I think Biden won the 2020 election.

Was there massive voter fraud?

I don't think so.

Unfortunately due the current system of voting , voting machines etc, It’s almost impossible to be 100% sure of the voting process.

There are a lot of idiot Trump supporters running around yelling about a rigged election. They are mistaken

Trump is playing games himself by saying the election was "stolen".

It's not a crime for one politician to claim the other side is committing fraud.

They all lie, cheat and steal.

Who do you want running the country?

You can vote Democrat.

You will get Sleepy Joe Biden (and Harris the word salad lady) inflation, crime and out of control illegal immigration.

Or you can hold your nose and vote for Trump.

Unfortunately, those are the choices.

I can agree with you.

 

[Drjohn]

I do not know your circumstances or business, nor you mine. But for every mortgage, term loan and line of credit for business or personal, I have had to sign my name that my financial statements, net worth statements, appraisals, valuations and confirmation of credit are factual, honest and truthful representations of my businesses and personal affairs. To state otherwise would likely land me most in legal problems, destruction of my business and personal reputation and at the least, loss of credit and a personally tanked credit rating, because I was being fraudulent.

I am not recommending anyone attempting to commit any kind of fraud, financial or otherwise.

These are key words,

"Representations"

"Valuations"

 

[Drjohn]

I thought it was basic stuff too, but jeez sorry, I think I missed your point again..
So exaggerating (intentional misrepresentation) of your wealth on financial statements isn't illegal because it's common?
Sounds like you may have your own syndrome.

Maybe.

Going forward, I assume all real estate transactions in New York will be carefully scrutinized by state Attorney General Leticia James.

Just kidding.

Obviously not.

 

[angry anderson]

I read this whole article (against my better judgment).

Peter Stone is a freelance "investigative journalist" who writes hit pieces for left wing publications.

There are a lot of claims, suppositions and half truths.

A very long article that says a lot of things and mentions a lot of people.

I didn't see any proof about any particular crimes or misdeeds.

I think Biden won the 2020 election.

Was there massive voter fraud?

I don't think so.

Unfortunately due the current system of voting , voting machines etc, It’s almost impossible to be 100% sure of the voting process.

There are a lot of idiot Trump supporters running around yelling about a rigged election. They are mistaken

Trump is playing games himself by saying the election was "stolen".

It's not a crime for one politician to claim the other side is committing fraud.

They all lie, cheat and steal.

Who do you want running the country?

You can vote Democrat.

You will get Sleepy Joe Biden (and Harris the word salad lady) inflation, crime and out of control illegal immigration.

Or you can hold your nose and vote for Trump.

Unfortunately, those are the choices.

‘They’re legit taking mailboxes off the street’: Postal Service tells US citizens removals are nothing to do with Trump | The Independent | The Independent

 

[Drjohn]

if you are a notorious crook famous for being a crook. expect your transactions to be scrutinized lmao

A short list of Trump’s criminal convictions would be helpful.

Could you provide that information?

 

[Drjohn]

‘They’re legit taking mailboxes off the street’: Postal Service tells US citizens removals are nothing to do with Trump | The Independent | The Independent

Lol!!!

That's some serious conspiracy shit.

Tinfoil hat level stuff.

Keep it coming!

It's gold!

 

[Drjohn]

google his list of indictments and bankruptcies yourself lazy ass.

So, no list then?

When your TDS starts affecting your ability to complete simple tasks, you should get help.

Counseling?

Medication?

I hope things turn around for you.

Seriously.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

I’m just looking forward to this guy being gone for good so the country can get back to a civil equilibrium, the Christia

I read this whole article (against my better judgment).

Peter Stone is a freelance "investigative journalist" who writes hit pieces for left wing publications.

There are a lot of claims, suppositions and half truths.

A very long article that says a lot of things and mentions a lot of people.

I didn't see any proof about any particular crimes or misdeeds.

I think Biden won the 2020 election.

Was there massive voter fraud?

I don't think so.

Unfortunately due the current system of voting , voting machines etc, It’s almost impossible to be 100% sure of the voting process.

There are a lot of idiot Trump supporters running around yelling about a rigged election. They are mistaken

Trump is playing games himself by saying the election was "stolen".

It's not a crime for one politician to claim the other side is committing fraud.

They all lie, cheat and steal.

Who do you want running the country?

You can vote Democrat.

You will get Sleepy Joe Biden (and Harris the word salad lady) inflation, crime and out of control illegal immigration.

Or you can hold your nose and vote for Trump.

Unfortunately, those are the choices.

The part that gets me is when you see the Fox and right wing mouthpieces blaring with indignation and outrage over every trivial insignificant tidbit, it’s so outrageously fake yet anything from the left is called out as fake news. This reporter actually shone a light on a significant issue, it’s quite incredible how maga will stop at nothing especially angering their base to swallow everything Trump will feed them. I’m just hoping the US can regain their equilibrium once that 🤡 is gone, there was a time when the best from the right and the left could be embraced by both sides. The far left is guilty of extremism as well as the far right, seems there is no satisfying any of them so it’s up to the people in the centre to carry the ball. The world needs a stable US but it seems it’s a government that only the rich can buy to do their bidding, hopefully some sanity will prevail and the temperature goes back down.

 

[rlock]

Today Emperor Augustus is considered a hero, when in his day he would of been like Trump (popular with the masses and backstabbing anyone who got in his way).

That's ridiculous. He's like a Caligula, at best a Nero, and that's charitable.

Augustus was above all clever - a builder, a stateman, a leader with deep ideas - not a pampered crooked debauched gasbag, spouting random bullshit to a legion of fanatical but ignorant dregs of society. Trump had no military triumphs, unlike Julius Caesar, Trajan, or many others. Trump is not even Crassus, because that guy (though never an emperor) was wealthy for real, not pretend.

Your imperial over-reach did not need to become so literal - Trump is only the Emperor of morons and the Pope of crooks. Even measured against the dumpster fire that is the American republic, he rates poorly.
Just a symptom of how far the Empire Of Lies has fallen into disrepute and decay.

 

[rlock]

Even lefty billionaire Mark Cuban

* lefty billionaire *

 

[rlock]

74 million people voted for Trump in 2020

That's a lot of hillbillies.

Sure, and 80 million for the other guy.

But the real story is how long the two main parties have been completely out of ideas, and good leadership, to the point where the only reason anyone votes for them is they way they have hard-wired themselves into the system.
Turnout has been what, in 2016 and 2020?
Neither of them is capable of doing much but vomiting up a choice that's actually inspiring. "How much do you want to siick it to those other guys" is all they have got left.
Even when elected, they spend more time trying to deny success to their foes than get any shit done themselves.

Most mafia turf wars have more concern for the general population than US politics does.

 

[rlock]

Prime example is Vancouver in the last 30-40 years real estate was being brought from money from China. Its also a fact that in the 1990 and early 2000s alot of stocks and mutual funds that western (Europe and North American) countries invested in China and the far east failed/ went out of business. Where did most of this money go? Probally transferred in some way to a new company.

People in the know warned officials here lots of times that a lot of that money was not even legitimate money from China's perspective; it was being embezzled out of China by party officials-turned-oligarchs*, to the tune of billions of dollars every week, and that wealth was just looking for a place offshore to park itself, laundered into overseas assets, using casinos, banks in tax shelter countries, real estate, etc. Not just in BC, not just in Canada, but globally - and both the so-called right and so-called left refused to turn off the tap of black market money. Don't blame the Chinese people - they are suffering from grotesque inequality too, not sharing the wealth thanks to that "zombie economy".

(As for "Communist" China, being a CCP member no longer meant actual communism. Authoritarian tyranny, yes, but these officials are so capitalist & crooked, they make the Mafia look like Mother Teresa. Anyone who shouts "Chinese COMMUNIST Party" these days is a political fraudster; the real thing's been dead since 1989.)

 

[rlock]

What insurrection did he cause? The one where no one was actually charged with being an insurrectionist?

How can his election result in authoritarian rule and an end to democracy? Does the military support him? Does the media support him? Do the intelligence services and Homeland security support him? By what process is it possible for him to do this?

Come off it. He lost the 2020 election and then urged his supporters to not accept the result and violently occupy the US Capitol to prevent the legal transfer of power, hoping the military would intervene on his side because he was going to be Commander In Chief for maybe a few more hours. Well, it didn't work: the putsch tanked, because his supporters were disorganized goofs, and even states which had GOP officials who had tipped the balance as far his way as much as they legally could were not willing to take the next step into an actual coup & resulting civil war.

That is some 3rd world shit, and stop trying to pretend it isn't. All that "blah blah blah, it's only legitimate when I win, reality ain't real" bullshit to disguise the fact that the US has become almost as corrupt & dysfunctional as places like the Congo or Haiti.
The difference is, Congo and Haiti are poor and desperate - what's America's excuse?

In any case, Trump might be the thing that finishes off US democracy, but it has been declining to oblivion since at least 2000. The actaul fatal blow might have been the "Citizens United" court case, which legalized most forms of political corruption.
Trump didn't invent the GOP dirty tricks playbook, but he has been uniquely skilled in bending it to take out his rivals and serve only himself.
Trump's quite old though, and no more with-it than Biden, so even if he won, he will not live long enough to see the results of his own lunacy play out.
Maybe the end-game for him is passing on the title of Eternal Leader to one of his devious spoiled children, like they do in Saudi Arabia or North Korea.

 

[rlock]

For the record, I don't give a damn about it anymore. I believe in facts, not spin. The USA is far better off without both of those old men, getting someone who can actually speak coherently would be a great start.

So true. The "best" either major party in the system could come up with was the third election in a row where neither side produced anything that seemed respectable or vote-worthy.

As for Canada, it's better but not much - we're like the forest of Pripyat. Not as toxic as the Chernobyl power plant, but close enough to be poisoned by its fallout anyway.

 

[rlock]

The China road and belt initiative, is a threat to current world trade routes with the blocking of the red sea by a terrorist group in Yemen, will shift trade from China up through Iran to Russia. M

The belt and road initiative is not a threat to trade routes; it IS a trade route. It just happens to serve China's interests. If you looked at how the US and UK have a pretty serious stranglehold on maritime trade routes, it is not that surprising to see China trying to "break out" strategically. Not to say it is all flowers & sunshine, for their plans also involve corruption backed by brute force. This is just how superpowers behave.

 

[rlock]

How about the reverse, if Trump loses then another insurrection? Trump already has hinted it will happen.

He does a lot of "hinting" - all this nudge nudge wink wink "I'm not telling people to be violent if I don't win, but it would only be natural if some violence broke out that benefitted me" bullshit.