Mikhail Gorbachev, passed away at 91

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It is hard to imagine someone with his power voluntarily relinquishing it.
He accepted the reality of a lot of misdeeds by the Soviet Union and allowed us he empire to dissolve.
Not a perfect man,far from it, but better than the current asshole.
 

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It is hard to imagine someone with his power voluntarily relinquishing it.
He accepted the reality of a lot of misdeeds by the Soviet Union and allowed us he empire to dissolve.
Not a perfect man,far from it, but better than the current asshole.
I would have loved to have heard his thoughts on the war in Ukraine!! I fear he would have wept.
 
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I culled this from the BBC

It was a very different Gorbachev I encountered in 2019. This would be the fifth and final interview he gave me. There was a sadness to him I hadn't seen before. As if he sensed that his achievements were being rolled back; that Russia was re-embracing authoritarianism and East-West confrontation was returning.
In the interview, Gorbachev recalled his early days in power.
"When I became General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party, I travelled to towns and cities across the country to meet people. There was one thing everyone talked about. They said to me: 'Mikhail Sergeyevich, whatever problems we have, whatever food shortages, don't worry. We'll have enough food. We'll grow it. We'll manage. Just make sure there's no war.'"
By now, there were tears in Gorbachev's eyes.
 

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Gorbachev was the one who ended the Cold War.

He took a look at the superpowers' nuclear murder-suicide pact and saw it was a dead end. He saw what it took for the USSR to keep a stranglehold on Eastern Europe, and walked away from all that. Perhaps he even grasped that the USSR had some deep internal flaws in its system, baked right into it from the beginning, which would rot it from the inside out - tried to change it, but too late. Maybe none of that would have happened if not slapped awake by things like Cheronobyl, but at least he saw that big picture, where ideological victory would be meaningless in a world that's dead.

Not any of the eternally greedy assholes on this side of the curtain ever managed this feat. Those same "leaders" of ours later re-wrote the narrative to glorify themselves, and used the lack of an adversary to whitewash all the problems that have turned the west into one big self-defeating swindle.

Yes, I'm sure the end of Gorbachev's days were filled with bitterness, not just for the bloody fate of the former USSR, but that after all the peacemaking efforts he made, it got disrespected and trashed by the west too. We are now back in open conflict, one that's more about betrayal than ideology.
 

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Gorbachev was the one who ended the Cold War.

He took a look at the superpowers' nuclear murder-suicide pact and saw it was a dead end. He saw what it took for the USSR to keep a stranglehold on Eastern Europe, and walked away from all that. Perhaps he even grasped that the USSR had some deep internal flaws in its system, baked right into it from the beginning, which would rot it from the inside out - tried to change it, but too late. Maybe none of that would have happened if not slapped awake by things like Cheronobyl, but at least he saw that big picture, where ideological victory would be meaningless in a world that's dead.

Not any of the eternally greedy assholes on this side of the curtain ever managed this feat. Those same "leaders" of ours later re-wrote the narrative to glorify themselves, and used the lack of an adversary to whitewash all the problems that have turned the west into one big self-defeating swindle.

Yes, I'm sure the end of Gorbachev's days were filled with bitterness, not just for the bloody fate of the former USSR, but that after all the peacemaking efforts he made, it got disrespected and trashed by the west too. We are now back in open conflict, one that's more about betrayal than ideology.
You, Sir, have provided us all with words of wisdom.
 
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Perhaps he even grasped that the USSR had some deep internal flaws in its system, baked right into it from the beginning
Gorbachev wrote that the USSR had more natural resources and energy than any other country. It’s people were as well educated as any. Yet their standard of living was falling farther and farther behind the West.
This made him decide that the USSR version of communism and central planning was not working.
The financial burden of maintaining huge occupying armies in Eastern Europe was crippling the economy.
He decided to dismantle the system and salvage what he could before it imploded.
 
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Nuclear Annihilation use to keep me awake at night as a kid.
Anyone here old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? THAT not only kept me awake for months but it formed serious science shit in me as a kid, such that I had to try to understand nuclear war and all that went with it.
 

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Anyone here old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? THAT not only kept me awake for months but it formed serious science shit in me as a kid, such that I had to try to understand nuclear war and all that went with it.
So give us the Coles Notes version.
 

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So give us the Coles Notes version.
Right.
USSR ( Khrushchev) vs USA (Kennedy)
Precursor, USA fucked up the Bay of Pigs invasion which moved tensions to white hot vs the commies. BoP in Cuba and Fidel Castro and his commie regime.
USSR was putting missiles into Cuba, USA saw this from their U2 spy planes plus other gadgets. These were nukes and could reach anywhere in the states in one strike.
USA put up a blockade around Cuba demanded the missiles be removed.
World went to the brink of Khrushchev pushing the button and Kennedy responding. And I mean THE brink.
Through this, our little Alberta town installed an air raid siren and tested it, multiple times. Each time it was tested, me, little kid, had major freak outs.
Something I am glad my kids did not go through at a young age.
 

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There were subs bumping each other underwater and airplanes playing airborne chicken.
One hothead doing something stupid could have ended the world.
Nowadays there are tight controls on nukes, back then anyone could set one off.
 

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The CEO of Russia’s second biggest oil company recently said he “hopes the war will end soon”
Yesterday he died after accidentally falling out a window.
Putin don’t give a fuck when he says this shit, does anyone really think all these opponents are falling out of windows? Of course not. Putin is murdering and saying fuck you at the same time.
 

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If it was to come to Russia doing a nuclear strike on the US, we herein the lower mainland would be sitting on the edge of one of the first bombs to fall. Just to the south of us is one of the largest stockpiles of nukes in the world at the pacific submarine base near Everett Washington. Makes you sleep better at night knowing that doesn’t it
 
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If it was to come to Russia doing a nuclear strike on the US, we herein the lower mainland would be sitting on the edge of one of the first bombs to fall. Just to the south of us is one of the largest stockpiles of nukes in the world at the pacific submarine base near Everett Washington. Makes you sleep better at night knowing that doesn’t it
well. better chance of it being quick I suppose. Inevitable that it has come to the point where it is actually quite a real possibility.
 
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