USA political thread

[80watts]

Pretty sure it was the first shot. You think a taliban would just hang around after a .50 calibre bullet whizzed by and wait for another to blow his head off? Doubtful, he’d get the fuck under cover.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Furlong
https://sofrep.com/news/sofrep-exclusive-inside-story-canadas-jtf2-record-breaking-sniper-kill/
Sorry I was thinking about Furlong.
For Furlong, it took him multiple shots (Afghanistan). For the actual title holder (unknown), yes it was 1 shot (in Iraq). But on first try at that range it would involve alot of luck. If you read the third article, the same sniper then shot at a group of people (3 shots and missed 3 times). These people ducked.
The sniping in Afghanistan happened across mountain tops and valleys, so all sniping was at range. The local would just stand, if a shot came close, knowing it was impractical for the sniper to hit them at those ranges. Air currents across the valleys also made sniping difficult in Afghanistan. So if this guy ducked, he wouldn't of been killed.

 

[jrt]

I am stunned at what I I'm seeing from President Joe Biden. He is using cue cards to answer reporter's questions. His White House team have to rescue him when he speaks and clarify what he really means. His performance last week in Poland was punctuated with gaffe after gaffe and his staff had to walk back many things he said. President Biden needs to stop making public appearances because he is embarrassing the office of the presidency or he needs to resign.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

 

[80watts]

I am stunned at what I I'm seeing from President Joe Biden. He is using cue cards to answer reporter's questions. His White House team have to rescue him when he speaks and clarify what he really means. His performance last week in Poland was punctuated with gaffe after gaffe and his staff had to walk back many things he said. President Biden needs to stop making public appearances because he is embarrassing the office of the presidency or he needs to resign.

At least Biden believes in the right to vote freely, and due process according to the US laws. Biden is at least 10 times better than Trump, who promoted division among the American people, when he should of been uniting them.
Trump after declaring bankruptcy at least 3 times is still a "billionaire"; wonder how that works, especially after cheating all those contractors out of their hard earned money (not paid to them because of the bankruptcy). Again how does that work exactly?

Trump likes kicking people to the street, and kicking people when they are down. How does that show America's attitude towards fair play and helping the little guy out. All which are Christian mainstays for character fundamentals. So I have to wonder how the Christian south vote went to him, when you look at his character. Just because the Christian south is Republican. Should be called the Christian south lemming Republicans...

As a Christian when you sin and are caught. You fess up, and do repentance and never sin that way again.... So far Trump is unapologetic, unrepetitive and is yet committing the same sin, over and over again.... How can these lemmings not see that? Blinded by the devil himself??

 

[musingaway]

I am stunned at what I I'm seeing from President Joe Biden. He is using cue cards to answer reporter's questions. His White House team have to rescue him when he speaks and clarify what he really means. His performance last week in Poland was punctuated with gaffe after gaffe and his staff had to walk back many things he said. President Biden needs to stop making public appearances because he is embarrassing the office of the presidency or he needs to resign.

What's wrong with using cue cards? Isn't it pretty normal? Trump has done the same: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...to-remind-him-to-listen-to-shooting-survivors

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

 

[masterblaster]

I think there is some decent republicans. Arnold Schwarzenegger being one of them, plus he doesn’t like trump.

 

[80watts]

Roe vs Wade surfaced. Apparently its being cancelled by the Conservatives (Republicans) who hold the majority on the Supreame Court. I do believe that was what MrMotorscooter was commenting on.
The thing is, the Republican party is made up of mostly conservation Right wing Christians, who are trying to force their beliefs down everyone's throat.
There is in the constitution a right that Government and Religion are to be kept separate. The ending of Roe vs Wade is violating this principle of the founding fathers of America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
Shit you thought Trump stupidity over the election was bad, this will be worse.

The states are going toward's Margaret Atwoods The Handmaiden's Tale.

You are going to see Churches burned down, God fearing Christians Attached because the Republicans are just fucked up politically, they don't separate Church and State. You can have your own religion, but don't force it on other people.

Apparently all Republicans are at a all time high of being FUCKEN STUPID.

Not to mention taking away the rights of a woman.

 

[rlock]

Americans love passing judgement on other people, and everything becomes courtroom drama down there. They litigate everything, and solve nothing.

The US judicial system is a joke - completely and openly partisan. Judges are chosen not because they are unbiased, but so they can bring specific biases into the courtroom. Some are chosen as judges only so that they can make certain rulings like this (upcoming) one.

 

[licks2nite]

Roe vs. Wade about States Rights. US Constitution silent about abortion. In the US residual powers go to State legislatures and voters. Recent information of Roe vs. Wade, an egregious "leak", likely of a Supreme Court clerk.

 

[appleomac]

Roe vs. Wade about States Rights. US Constitution silent about abortion. In the US residual powers go to State legislatures and voters. Recent information of Roe vs. Wade, an egregious "leak", likely of a Supreme Court clerk.

You don't know anything about Roe. Roe was framed as a privacy claim. Not privacy in the common parlance sense (i.e. keep my info confidential) but privacy as a legal right (i.e. claim on liberty) - which means, the right to be left alone (to the extent possible) by the state. The debate about Roe has always been; does the Constitution provide for a right to privacy - originalists say "no" (because that right is not specficially delineated in the US Constitution) whereas those that take an interpretative view of the Constitution say "yes." That is (in a very simplified explanation) the crux of Roe.

 

[carvesg]

Roe vs. Wade about States Rights. US Constitution silent about abortion. In the US residual powers go to State legislatures and voters. Recent information of Roe vs. Wade, an egregious "leak", likely of a Supreme Court clerk.

Agreed . As for the leak...it could be one of the justices passing it along for a sacrificial lamb to leak it to affirm the decision of other justices or warn people to raise the outrage and take to the street. Either or ... unseen in recent history

 

[JimDandy]

You don't know anything about Roe. Roe was framed as a privacy claim. Not privacy in the common parlance sense (i.e. keep my info confidential) but privacy as a legal right (i.e. claim on liberty) - which means, the right to be left alone (to the extent possible) by the state. The debate about Roe has always been; does the Constitution provide for a right to privacy - originalists say "no" (because that right is not specficially delineated in the US Constitution) whereas those that take an interpretative view of the Constitution say "yes." That is (in a very simplified explanation) the crux of Roe.

No matter how it was framed, if Roe vs Wade is over turned it will take away from a woman's right to choose. And has already been widely stated on American news, it means abortions will revert to the way it was before Roe vs Wade where the rich and privliged will have no problem obtaining abortions for their knocked up teenage daughters, etc and the poor will have to revert to coat hangers.

It would be another matter if the same courts that over turn Roe vs Wade mandated universal health care and a minimum universal income so that these unwanted children and their mothers would at least have access to health care and a roof over their head and 3 meals a day. But oh no, that woudl be socialism and they can't have that.

JD

 

[appleomac]

No matter how it was framed, if Roe vs Wade is over turned it will take away from a woman's right to choose. And has already been widely stated on American news, it means abortions will revert to the way it was before Roe vs Wade where the rich and privliged will have no problem obtaining abortions for their knocked up teenage daughters, etc and the poor will have to revert to coat hangers.

It would be another matter if the same courts that over turn Roe vs Wade mandated universal health care and a minimum universal income so that these unwanted children and their mothers would at least have access to health care and a roof over their head and 3 meals a day. But oh no, that woudl be socialism and they can't have that.

JD

What will happen (granted it might take time) is that someone will challenge the abortion laws of (Alabama or Texas or whatever state imposes a ban should Roe be overturned). And whomever does challenge it, will need to make a different legal claim (i.e. not one based on privacy). Again, it might take a long time - but that doesn't mean another claim can't be winnable. In the mean time; I would suggest those that are disgusted by the fact that Alabama or Texas or Mississippi or whatever state might impose an abortion ban (and should you happen to live in one of those states) should probably move to NY or California or whatever other state that will more than likely NOT impose a ban on abortion.

 

[milemiles]

I always find it so telling how folks on here tell other folks, if you don’t like it, just move. It happens in all kinds of threads.

The reality is, moving is not a viable option for most people.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

If the opening salvos are any indication, the Roe v Wade dialog will get nasty or maybe NASTY personified.
One of the other issues, not addressed in detail is that of child support. Which starts for many at somewhere near 25% of the supporting person's salary.
Of course the pro lifers don't consider the fact that many women who do seek out back room abortions are putting themselves in danger, but I am sure they will understand the money issue.

 

[milemiles]

 

[appleomac]

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What a silly hot take.

 

[rlock]

Roe vs. Wade about States Rights. US Constitution silent about abortion. In the US residual powers go to State legislatures and voters. Recent information of Roe vs. Wade, an egregious "leak", likely of a Supreme Court clerk.

LOL. "They" said the same about slavery, desegregation, voting rights, and how many other things? Any time "they" don't feel like giving people the rights they are due in their (one and only) constitution, they invoke "states' rights" as some kind of way of deflecting, delaying, and denying something that they don't want to see happen. Then it goes to court about whether that principle can or can't be enforced nationwide, blah blah blah blah. It's a very broken system, but sometimes despite their endless bullshitting, they hit one of these iceberg issues where the right of a state to do _______ clashes with the principle that all people in their country must have equal rights under law.

IF the states were really supreme, then the US would break to pieces, because you can't have different legal rights in different places and still remain a country. I don't think their constitution is some sacred thing, especially when some are so picky-choosy about when they do or do not respect it. I'm just saying this tactic has been done to death.

Egregious? Crocodile tears - they do not want the people to realize what is coming down the legal sewer pipe until it can't be stopped. Of course, that's even assuming some ruling by their corrupted partisan court will be the last word on the subject. It won't.

Wait till doctors are being sent to prison for life in some states, till underground networks of activists are sneaking around doing abortions like in the old days, only much more organized. Wait till the more conservative US states have to have the equivalent of "religious police" running around oppressing women, punishing doctors, enacting checkpoints at state lines to make sure women cannot travel for abortions, etc. Just like the "Dred Scot decision, it will just provoke defiance, legal martyrdom, and maybe even armed conflict.

 

[rlock]

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It's often said that the ones who are against abortion are the same people who would condemn and abandon those babies once they are born. (Along with their mothers.)

They also love to deny contraception, through at the same time, they are also the most likely to rape or commit incest.

Seems fucking suspicious to me.