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B.C. condo owners file human rights complaint after board holds meetings in Mandarin

tokugawa

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People's Republic of Richmond has finally emerged. It must be a challenge to live in Richmond these days for non-Chinese (Mandarin) speakers?

See Article/Video: http://globalnews.ca/news/2417019/r...ndarin-speakers-excluded-from-strata-council/

By Staff Global News

Allegations of discrimination are pitting neighbour against neighbour at a Richmond condominium complex.

A group of homeowners have filed a human rights complaint alleging they’re being treated unfairly because they don’t speak Mandarin.

Andreas Kargut and his wife have been living at Wellington Court since it was built in 2004. He served on council until last year.

“All of us except for one got ousted,” he said of non-Mandarin speaking council members.

Harry Gray also served on strata. He was voted out at the same time. He describes the vote as a “successful, deliberate attempt” to oust non-Mandarin speakers from council.

Seventy per cent of Wellington Court residents speak Mandarin. Earlier this month, they received an email from the new council:

“Please understand that council team for this fiscal is using Mandarin as the preferred language for communication. We have no intention of using English during the meeting on December the 8th. That’s the most efficient way for the team this year.”

“We never said that communication has to be only in Mandarin,” strata council president Ed Mao said. “It’s only the council meetings when we discuss…matters and we find it more efficient to use Mandarin, that’s all.”

“They tried to save money by cancelling all the repairs, such as gutter cleaning, power washing,” Gray said.

There is nothing in the Strata Property Act that requires English to be spoken at strata meetings. And Mao says there was a lot of misunderstanding by Mandarin-speaking owners when meetings were held in English.

“This is not about culture, this is not racist, this is not discrimination,” he said. “This is just purely a bunch a people living in one community that want to make things work,” he said.

Some of the non-Mandarin speaking owners have filed a discrimination suit with the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal, but they may also have another choice.

“The other option is a court application and argue ‘significant unfairness,’ which is a provision within the legislation,” Tony Gioventu of the Condominium Homeowners Association said.

“So if a majority of owners take an action that is significantly unfair against another group of owners they can get a court injunction through Supreme Court to order a different activity.”

“The ultimate goal is to actually live in harmony and actually not have this sort of discrimination again,” Kargut said

The likeliest outcome? Council will have to do what many other stratas already do in multicultural Metro Vancouver: hire an interpreter for every meeting.

-With files from Randene Neill
 
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manni

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English language should be practiced when forming any types of associations IN CANADA.
 

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I agree I probalby is unfair

However I live in a condominum so here is some perspective as to how i am looking at this I have olny been to two bord meetings and I personaly would not like to be on any condo bord even if I was paid. Becase the people who show up to the bord meetings and in some respect the people who end up on these condo bords tend to be retired people . Who for the most part seem to have nothing better to do than bitch and complain about the negbours dog pooping on there lawn or get angry about the fact that the bord rules say they cant install an air coditoner the size they want without bord aprovial .


Realize for the most part bord aproval is really a joke since you actually own the house / aparment your in If you do something agaist the bord aproved rules pretty much all they can do is send you a strong letter . informing you that you did not follow bord rules.



what is the major copmpaint in that video that the bord canceld gutter cleaning . Another thing that happens in these situations in order to "save money " bord members will often hire themseves for mantence task. On our bord before he moved out . The head of our condo bord did all the grass cutting and snow shoveling I do not know what he paid himself but the job was done and I was ok with It my guess is the two men in that video most likely ether had a son or daughter doing the gutter cleaning or they did it themselves .

If your on a condo bord you would be amazed at the types of complaints that you get we used to have a woman who lived in our building who would regualary phone 911 or call the local police station when people where doing landry past 10 pm ( its a noise bylaw thing in manitoba) The same woman would take any insects that had found it's way into her apartment ( she used to live on the ground floor ) and scotch tape them to a peice of cardbord she would complain about flys or whatever getting into her apartment every meeting as if she was on some type of personal crusade . Bringing her personal insect colection as proof.

I remeber one time a polcie car showed up at 5 min past ten becase my nebour was drying his socks at 1 min past ten unfortunatley for the police my negbour being the criminal mastermind he was had finished drying his socks . this was on a saturday night . Some women could be getting murderd but there was a major crime takeing place in our condominum a person was doing his socks one min past ten how horifying .:rolleyes:
 
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Tugela

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The strata council can get an injunction if someone breaks the bylaws, provided that the bylaw is legal and reasonable. Likewise they can impose fines, and if you don't pay them they can sue you. They are not powerless in these matters, if they choose to act.

Noise violations, regularly calling the police for trivial matters is probably going to eventually get you in trouble with them. They will only act if the noise rises to the level of becoming a public disturbance, and running a washing machine after a deadline set in a strata bylaw doesn't rise to that level. The city has noise bylaws as well, but getting inspectors to do anything about a situation is a non-trivial task that takes a long time. And again, they only act on noise that crosses property boundaries (not noise that occurs within them), plus it has to exceed certain levels which are pretty loud.

As for what language people speak at strata meetings, I don't think it matters provided they all can understand the language being spoken. Otherwise it should be in English. The strata meeting minutes have to be in English however, since those are official documents of the council. Personally I'm of the opinion that if you live in Canada you should be able to at least communicate in one of the two official languages (which depends on where you live) or get the hell out. I don't see why there should be any tolerance for people who come here and don't make even the most basic of efforts to integrate into our culture.
 

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I bet there are lawyers lining up to put a motion in Supreme Court on behalf of the English speaking owners.

This is a clear case of demolishing human rights as set out in the Constitution. English and French are the languages of our laws; not Mandarin or any other language from other countries whose citizens were fortunate enough to get Canadian residency.

If this were Quebec and they told the French speaking owners it was Mandarin only; the S Q would be there the same day issuing tickets for language violations to the strata.
 

se7landrover97

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English language should be practiced when forming any types of associations IN CANADA.
Yes, that is correct. When applicants applied for residency in Canada, they were asked if they speak English or French, which is a pre requisite to being accepted or granted for PR. Don't understand why some people are here and can't speak English.
 

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In Richmond...????? good luck with that
Is not the Strata Act itself written in English and isn't English one of the two official languages in our country? It seems to me that something like this should require an interpreter and the Minutes written in both Cantonese and English.
 

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Yes, that is correct. When applicants applied for residency in Canada, they were asked if they speak English or French, which is a pre requisite to being accepted or granted for PR. Don't understand why some people are here and can't speak English.
Easy to understand. Rules aren't policed due to lack of political will. Can't get any bad feeling with any ethnic group. Pandering twits.
 

se7landrover97

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Easy to understand. Rules aren't policed due to lack of political will. Can't get any bad feeling with any ethnic group. Pandering twits.
Not only that, but those people who have the responsibility to screen PR applicants just doesn't care now. Some of them I must say don't have English or French as their first language in the first place and doesn't realized the importance of it. When I came to Canada with my family and decided to live here, I make sure that I embraced Canadian culture, treat anyone with respect and that includes making English my preferred mode of communication. Its very rude and disrespectfully for these Mandarine speaking people to even wanting to change that. Sad but true.
 

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“We never said that communication has to be only in Mandarin,” strata council president Ed Mao said. “It’s only the council meetings when we discuss…matters and we find it more efficient to use Mandarin, that’s all.”
Yes, it's more efficient using a language to exclude people who don't speak it. You can bet the minutes were written in Simplified Chinese characters too.
 

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When Global aired their exposé on this the strata acquiesced that evening and will be using an interpreter during the council meetings as is usually the case to assist apparently in similar cases of Richmond -good thing for free press!
 

se7landrover97

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When Global aired their exposé on this the strata acquiesced that evening and will be using an interpreter during the council meetings as is usually the case to assist apparently in similar cases of Richmond -good thing for free press!
Who will be paying for the interpreters, if I may ask? They should go to school and learn English just like anybody else! This is an English speaking country why should they be treated differently? I am 50% Asian and speak Mandarine very well, but I don't want to be treated differently or anybody special.
 

tokugawa

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When Global aired their exposé on this the strata acquiesced that evening and will be using an interpreter during the council meetings as is usually the case to assist apparently in similar cases of Richmond -good thing for free press!
Really! Didn't sound like Chairman Mao (Ed) would back down on this issue. I am surprised they didn't file their own counter discrimination suit with the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal?
 

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So the money saved on not doing required maintenance will now go towards a Mandarin to English Translator.

Friken idiots.

:rolleyes:
 

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I know of a similar situation at another strata in Richmond. Finally, the non-Mandarin speaking owners which included other Chinese owners banded together and voted the whole strata council out at an emergency AGM called by those owners. The vote was very close due to the number of proxies the strata council secured. I find it extremely disturbing that these people don't seem to understand why there's an outrage and respect the non-Mandarin speakers not to mention the official language of the country they now call home.
 
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I imagine that doing something like this opens the strata to all sorts of liability claims as well. Part of selling your condo is an obligation to provide the meeting minutes for the last six months of council meetings, and if that is all in some foreign language that is obviously going to severely limit your options when it comes to selling.
 

se7landrover97

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I know of a similar situation at another strata in Richmond. Finally, the non-Mandarin speaking owners which included other Chinese owners banded together and voted the whole strata council out at an emergency AGM called by those owners. The vote was very close due to the number of proxies the strata council secured. I find it extremely disturbing that these people don't seem to understand why there's an outrage and respect the non-Mandarin speakers not to mention the official language of the country they now call home.
That is also one of the reasons why prices of apartments/condos and town houses in Richmond are going down. Who would want to be neighbours to people who are not very neighbourly. They can't even parked their cars properly so don't expect them to speak to you in English. So annoying!! Really!!
 

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saw a few people wearing a great tee shirt saying...
WELCOME TO CANADA , NOW SPEAK ENGLISH.
hopefully some NEW Canadians can actually learn from that.
why are some people so ignorant to think that they move here and try to change our country to fit the shit hole they came from.
if they dont want to change and learn our language , then , really , why not go back to where they came from.
ADIOS !!!!
 

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saw a few people wearing a great tee shirt saying...
WELCOME TO CANADA , NOW SPEAK ENGLISH.
hopefully some NEW Canadians can actually learn from that.
why are some people so ignorant to think that they move here and try to change our country to fit the shit hole they came from.
if they dont want to change and learn our language , then , really , why not go back to where they came from.
ADIOS !!!!
Maybe the T shirt should say "Fit in or Flood off"
 
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