syrian refugees n isis

[mil]

a good old friend of mine , and i,m old... still works and is senior in gov. intel. told us at a bbq that ISIS is doing same thing as Fidel Castro did, many years ago.
For those old enough to remember , tens of thousands of Cuban refugees/boat people were allowed into USA , so Castro the wise old guy he was , opened the gates of the prisons and sent ALL his hardcore criminals to USA....lol.
Now ISIS is doing same thing by sending the finest ISIS fanatics mixed in with the EU refugees to Europe and beyond (eg. Canada).
A good play/move on their part i suppose. :doh:
And our senior ex. military general , says we can easily bring in 50,000 a week....WTF is wrong with some people?
He was/is supposed to be protecting our society.
I personally think the world UN should build a HUGE refugee camp in EU somewhere and look after these people in Camps... then send them back home when things calm down. We don,t need them. Nor do I welcome them.

 

[frisky business]

Hey mil, thanks for your thoughtful comments. If I had overheard you say that in a bar I'd have come over and bought you a beer.

I would encourage you to see this story for what it is, though. There are two words that go well together to explain it all: "news", "cycle". The news cycle on these horrific stories is usually a couple days extending up to - in the case of the Syrian Refugee Crisis - a few weeks. The "legs" this story has in the popular media has been, of course, greatly extended by that evocative picture of the dead body of three year old Alan Kurdi which made newspaper front pages around the world.

The Prime Minister understands the news cycle which is why he is slow to change our national policy on refugees due to a short-lived news item. The other national contenders in the federal election, Messers Trudeau and Mulcair, are much more reactionary.

Unfortunately, refugee crises are a permanent phenomenon. The United Nations High Comission on Refugees states there are currently 58 million refugees in the world, including 38 milion IDPs - Internally Displaced People, i.e. displaced under duress from their own homes but still in their own country. Of the world's 58 million assylum seekers, about 10 million are Syrian.

Is a refugee in the Congo or Sierra Leone less deserving of assylum in a first world nation simply because her skin is darker or there's no photographer around? I don't think so.

The public and the media will soon forget about Syria's refugees, although the story will certainly get coverage until the federal election. Canada's policy on humanitarian relief should be directed by where it can be most helpful, not by the media's self chosen story of the week. Oh, and by the way, when will the media, as a whole, shine its spotlight on North Korea's unspeakably horrible detention camps?

But I digress. Again, mil, thanks for your comments.

 

[apl16]

More fear mongering. I'm more scared of ur buddy Harper and his crazies locking me up and taking away my civil rights.

 

[apl16]

I do agree that the refugee problem seems to be ongoing and permanent refugee centers should be considered for protecting the weak and eventually getting them back home or relocated as is deemed necessary.

 

[sybian]

Frisky Business...I have a whole new respect for you.
If that tactic is true, Isis didn't come up with the idea. The Nazi's did the same thing on a wholesale level.
They found them hiding with German Immigrants around the entire world..Many in South America.
It took decades for the Nazi Hunters to track them down..The difference was they had taken on a life that allowed them to hide, and not terrorize.
They took refuge with Religous Passavists, and were only caught by someone recognizing them.
Piling up the Syrians and painting them all with the same brush might be easy for us eating our McHappy meals, and watching Hockey in our livingroom.....I have been over there, and those are real families, and good people, looking for a better life for their loved ones...
It is easy for us to say "We don't want them here", when we don't have mortars exploding around us, or bullets flying through our children.
And yes I'm sure we will have a few terrorists sneak through our more than stellar Canadian Screening process, and at that time when that individual has taken, or threatened, lives over here...We shouldn't look at him with political correctness of Liberal rose coloured glasses...He should only be viewed through a set of rifle sights.

 

[hankmoody]

The NDP says they want to bring 46 000 over.
The Liberals want to bring 35 000 over.
How many boats will this take?
How many planes?
Who is going to feed them?
Who is going to house them?
What is this going to cost?
Where are they going to go?
What are they going to do here?
Where is the money going to come from?
I haven't seen any answers, just empty campaign promises.

I watch the news everyday and have only heard the reason they are leaving is war in Syria. Maybe twice. Why aren't there camera's there?
Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the problems there so they can stay, than relocate millions around the world.
If the tables were turned and shit hit the fan here i would rather see peace restored than walk to the east coast and take a dingy to Syria.

 

[Caramel]

I just wonder why the Muslim brothers with billions of dollars next door won't do much to help....one Egyptian billionaire did offer to buy an island for them, but would like to see more but don't expect much from them

 

[uncleg]

I just wonder why the Muslim brothers with billions of dollars next door won't do much to help....one Egyptian billionaire did offer to buy an island for them, but would like to see more but don't expect much from them

....Black September.......comes to mind.

 

[*emmanuelle]

I just wonder why the Muslim brothers with billions of dollars next door won't do much to help

Syria's four neighbouring countries are (literally) spending billions of dollars helping the combined five million refugees they have taken in.

 

[westwoody]

Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the problems there so they can stay, than relocate millions around the world.
If the tables were turned and shit hit the fan here i would rather see peace restored than walk to the east coast and take a dingy to Syria.

Fix the problems there? Wow, like that's never been tried.

You need to go there yourself and get a reality check. Tell me how easy it is to fix the problems after you've seen a car bomb go off and leave a bunch of bodies torn to bits all over a market square.

I still wake up some nights and smell burning bodies.

Count yourself lucky that you have never experienced anything anywhere near what the Syrian people have dealt with for years.

Emanuelle: kudos for an actual sensible post.

 

[sybian]

When it comes to the ancient hatred between Arabs, and Middle Eastern countries, etc...There is no fixing the conflicts.
They hate each other just for existing.

 

[uncleg]

When it comes to the ancient hatred between Arabs, and Middle Eastern countries, etc...There is no fixing the conflicts.
They hate each other just for existing.

That's about it, isn't ? When you consider that some of the conflicts date back to before the birth of Islam, let alone having religion thrown into the mix..there is no "Western" solution to what is going on there. The Europeans have largely stayed out of the internal affairs of the Mid-Eastern countries as I believe they are a more attuned to "tribal" issues, the Americans aren't. The only thing tribal the American's seem to know anything about is, if can they open a Casino or not. A thousand plus years of tribal warfare/conflict, is not going to be replaced by three hundred and fifty or so years of American Democracy......even if you do bomb them all back into the stone age. The sooner the Americans grasp that concept, the better it will be for all concerned.

 

[steiln]

Either leave them alone.....or bomb them back into the stone age. nothing else will help end it

 

[frisky business]

They hate each other just for existing.

It is about religion. All the carnage in the Middle East is about religion.

Us taking in refugees does little for the big picture. Whether we take in 46,000 (NDP) or 35,000 (Liberals) - stats from hankmoody, above - it's not much of a dent. Even if we could absorb them, it deals with less than one tenth of one percent of the problem of refugees worldwide.

The solution is to change attitudes in the war torn countries. This will take two or three generations. But we might as well get started. Every act of generosity and kindness that we show to these people will give them hope, and interest in Western values.

And westwoody, I hope you find peace, man.

 

[rick hunter]

a good old friend of mine , and i,m old... still works and is senior in gov. intel. told us at a bbq that ISIS is doing same thing as Fidel Castro did, many years ago.
For those old enough to remember , tens of thousands of Cuban refugees/boat people were allowed into USA , so Castro the wise old guy he was , opened the gates of the prisons and sent ALL his hardcore criminals to USA....lol.
Now ISIS is doing same thing by sending the finest ISIS fanatics mixed in with the EU refugees to Europe and beyond (eg. Canada).
A good play/move on their part i suppose. :doh:
And our senior ex. military general , says we can easily bring in 50,000 a week....WTF is wrong with some people?
He was/is supposed to be protecting our society.
I personally think the world UN should build a HUGE refugee camp in EU somewhere and look after these people in Camps... then send them back home when things calm down. We don,t need them. Nor do I welcome them.

Uh you do know that citizens from US/Canada have already left and joined ISIS? Wouldn't it be easier for them to send one of those people back than a refugee? Hmm... I don't recall a whole bunch of Communists/criminals infiltrating the US/Canada when the boat people from Vietnam were let in. People like you like to play on the fears of the unknown, how many Canadians have been killed by Islamist terrorists in Canada? Two that I recall. Even in the US around 100 people have killed by Islamic terrorists in the US since 9/11.

The NDP says they want to bring 46 000 over.
The Liberals want to bring 35 000 over.
How many boats will this take?
How many planes?
Who is going to feed them?
Who is going to house them?
What is this going to cost?
Where are they going to go?
What are they going to do here?
Where is the money going to come from?
I haven't seen any answers, just empty campaign promises.

I watch the news everyday and have only heard the reason they are leaving is war in Syria. Maybe twice. Why aren't there camera's there?
Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the problems there so they can stay, than relocate millions around the world.
If the tables were turned and shit hit the fan here i would rather see peace restored than walk to the east coast and take a dingy to Syria.

Canada already accepts 250,000 immigrants/refugees every year. The cameras aren't in Syria because it's simply too dangerous for most journalists to be there. I watched the BBC today and saw a couple take their 6 week old baby on the journey to Europe. You don't think they just woke up one day and said hey lets make a long perilous journey for fun? Most are escaping violence/warfare and some are trying to escape poverty.

 

[apl16]

The conflict is more about oil, power, and greed. Religion is usually a smokescreen for greed and power. Just as democracy is usually a smokescreen for greed and power. Good for keeping the gun trade going too!

 

[Amuse0ne]

Forget about religion for a moment and disregard whether or not there may be IS insurgents in among the refugees in exodus from Syria, security professionals can sort them out in time. There has been a scorched earth policy in effect in Syria since at least 2012 enacted by the Assad regime and there's no choice but to put to the damn road. 1.9 million war refugees have been registered in Turkey as of Aug. 31/15 and at least 48% of them are still in Turkey according to US aid. The Russians are stepping up their involvement in this war and it's not going to get any better over there. Who is the real enemy in Syria that remains to be determined. These people desperately need help from the west, who else is going to help them, are you?

 

[mil]

i think they need help obviously....
but not a free ticket to my country.
i think UN needs to build a huge refugee camp and we should contribute to that ,
screen all the young men that are military age and see why they are not fighting ISIS ,
if they are no isis themselves , then train them a nd send them to the FRONT.
When the conflict is over , then send them all back home....
Guarantee they will not become peaceful loving contributing Canadians...your foolish if you think that.

 

[rick hunter]

i think they need help obviously....
but not a free ticket to my country.
i think UN needs to build a huge refugee camp and we should contribute to that ,
screen all the young men that are military age and see why they are not fighting ISIS ,
if they are no isis themselves , then train them a nd send them to the FRONT.
When the conflict is over , then send them all back home....
Guarantee they will not become peaceful loving contributing Canadians...your foolish if you think that.

Didn't your parents or ancestors come to Canada for the same the reasons as the refugees? To seek a safer and more prosperous life? The US tried training a group of fighters to fight ISIS and it's been a big failure so far. What about all the Muslims that are already living here, should we send them all back? Somehow I think if the refugees were white and spoke English the situation would somehow be different.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34278233

 

[sdw]

Didn't your parents or ancestors come to Canada for the same the reasons as the refugees? To seek a safer and more prosperous life? The US tried training a group of fighters to fight ISIS and it's been a big failure so far. What about all the Muslims that are already living here, should we send them all back? Somehow I think if the refugees were white and spoke English the situation would somehow be different.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34278233

You forget how the Irish were treated, then how the Chinese, Doukhobors, German, Hindu, Italian, Japanese, Polish, Punjabi, Vietnamese and on and on - the people already here have always thought that the newcomers should be excluded.

People have always claimed that the latest set of immigrants would mean rampant crime, a drain on resources, etc.. Criminals have always remained at about the same % regardless of ethnic group, enterprise has always been higher among newly settled immigrant groups.