Prostitution ring arrests in Montreal and Toronto

[phreak]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/prostitution-ring-arrests-in-montreal-and-toronto-1.3018248

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/prostitution-ring-arrests-in-montreal-and-toronto-1.3018248


'Once in the country, the women were FORCED to perform sex work in Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.'

I find this hard to believe. What's the point in forcing girls 'to perform sex work' when there are more than enough of those who are eager and willing to do so? Pimps may assist with arrival, accommodation and advertising, but forcing... I'm pretty sure girls know exactly what is expected from them and that's exactly what they want.

And if in fact they are forced, that's the government's fault in the first place - otherwise all these girls would be coming here within official temporary foreign workers program.

 

[westwoody]

Does anyone know if this was one of the agencies?

Apparently Kangnam's site is not working.

 

[plumbcrawl]

No one should be more upset about this than us pooners. Having women forced into service is exactly what we should all be against. It just proves the stereotype. We should want the cops kicking down these doors until there are no more of these doors left and it becomes harder and harder for the media to find sex slaves to point to. Hopefully what you are left with is more ladies working of free will. You are never going to completely put an end to stories like this but we should to be the biggest cheerleaders of busting up those using underage and exploited women

 

[phreak]

No one should be more upset about this than us pooners. Having women forced into service is exactly what we should all be against. It just proves the stereotype. We should want the cops kicking down these doors until there are no more of these doors left and it becomes harder and harder for the media to find sex slaves to point to. Hopefully what you are left with is more ladies working of free will. You are never going to completely put an end to stories like this but we should to be the biggest cheerleaders of busting up those using underage and exploited women

'Forced into prostitution' is an urban myth overall. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's so rare simply because there is no need for that. Cops don't have to kick down doors which are wide open: the whole problem was created artificially by the government by denying their citizens essential services and considering SPs as sub-humans ('victims' according to official terminology).

 

[girth-brooks]

'Forced into prostitution' is a reality and is associated with human trafficking. I don't think it's an urban myth.

 

[wetnose]

Which reminds me...need to get burner phone

 

[rick hunter]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/prostitution-ring-arrests-in-montreal-and-toronto-1.3018248

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/prostitution-ring-arrests-in-montreal-and-toronto-1.3018248


'Once in the country, the women were FORCED to perform sex work in Montreal, Ottawa, Halifax, Toronto, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.'

I find this hard to believe. What's the point in forcing girls 'to perform sex work' when there are more than enough of those who are eager and willing to do so? Pimps may assist with arrival, accommodation and advertising, but forcing... I'm pretty sure girls know exactly what is expected from them and that's exactly what they want.

And if in fact they are forced, that's the government's fault in the first place - otherwise all these girls would be coming here within official temporary foreign workers program.

Some do come here willingly but I'm sure some were tricked. If you come from a poor country and are promised a job as a maid/factory line job in a Western country, I'm sure a lot of women would be jumping at the chance to try to improve their lot in life. Once they get here, there passport is taken from them and they're told that they have to work off the loan/fees that brought them here.

You seriously think that slavery doesn't still exist in the world? Here's a AP article about men being forced to fish for your dinner.

http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/your-seafood-might-come-from-slaves/

 

[westwoody]

Those arrested appear in court today so there should be a lot more information available.
Police say they are putting together lists of victims and clients.

 

[sybian]

You know Hatrick....Your 100% right.
I was driving down Dundas Street, near that industrial area that we all know about.
I saw an 40 something year old guy , with a 18 year old girl...He had his hand on her neck and she had her back against a building wall.
She had her hands up protecting her bloody face, and she was begging for him to stop.
Turns out he was her Pimp, and I guess she wasn't doing something right. It also turns out that he wasn't as tough as he thought when a 192 pound rancher walked up behind him, picked him up off the ground and threw his skinny ass into traffic.
I had just left my truck running with the door open at a light, so the cops showed up seconds after I pulled him off of her.
I explained with all sincerity how he had just fallen into the intersection, and how I tried to stop him from running into traffic by a blow to his face.
The young girl admitted she was being forced into the sex trade, by the guy who was holding his cracked cheekbone, and checking how loose his front tooth was from his unfortunate fall.
After an hour of lecturing from the cops she agreed to go with them for help...I was told later the cops had never seen her before, but knew him very well.
With a bit of a smile on their faces..all 4 of the LE shook my hand, and told me to "Go back to the farm, before we change our minds and charge you...And try not to do that shit again"
They handed back my wallet and leatherman, and I was on my way....
My point is, this was a Vancouver caucasion girl, that came from a supposed decent home according to the VPD.
That shit happens here more than we'd care to admit

 

[phreak]

All these examples of pimp violence and forcing girls into sex trade are usually related to other issues like a girl being a drug addict, runaway from family home, etc. There are absolutely no other reasons in Canada why a girl without any issues would be 'forced' into sex trade. She can easily work on her own or with an established agency/pimp which would never force her to do anything she doesn't want to.

Those who are 'trafficked' from abroad by promises of 'a job as a maid/factory line job' are typically aware what their real job would be. The disguise of offering ordinary jobs is usually needed in those countries where 'traffickers' can't legally offer sex trade jobs (like Canada BTW) - so girls themselves are still very well aware. In more civilized countries (like Spain, Germany) such offers / ads can be made absolutely legally, and you can see plenty of them with full disclosure of all the details related to the employment in sex trade. These ads also state that employers do have valid permits from authorities, which also means regular medical exams and protection from any potential abuse. We can definitely ague whether 'trafficked' girls are paid fairly, but that's a different issue not related to 'forcing' them into sex trade.

I am really shocked how you, guys, buy this simplistic propaganda so easily. You should know better if you are on this forum...

 

[Bobert1969]

Those arrested appear in court today so there should be a lot more information available.
Police say they are putting together lists of victims and clients.

Is this something we should be concerned about as "clients"? What can be done if numbers and records are revealed?

 

[westwoody]

Is this something we should be concerned about as "clients"? What can be done if numbers and records are revealed?

If a guy asks for a specific service for a fee he can be charged. That's "commodifacation of sexual services".

Texts and emails are stored. If you wrote "can I get anal for a hundred bucks extra" you might be in trouble.

 

[Bobert1969]

If a guy asks for a specific service for a fee he can be charged. That's "commodifacation of sexual services".

Texts and emails are stored. If you wrote "can I get anal for a hundred bucks extra" you might be in trouble.

Well, common sense tells me that you can't be busted for asking a question. There would have to be proof of a transaction, no? Of course, common sense doesn't always apply so maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

[escapefromstress]

Well, common sense tells me that you can't be busted for asking a question. There would have to be proof of a transaction, no? Of course, common sense doesn't always apply so maybe I'm wrong on that.

I don't think anyone knows for sure, exactly how the laws will be interpreted and applied, and it will vary from city to city, and province to province.

We'll learn more as details of each case are made public.

There's several good threads on merb and terb if you want to read what people across the country are thinking.

All current media articles are still being posted in this thread: http://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?209421-The-New-C-36-Media-Watchlist

 

[westcoast555]

Is this something we should be concerned about as "clients"? What can be done if numbers and records are revealed?

Well for starters you could stay away from any underage streetwalker being coerced into offering services... there is always some nasty shit going on and we should all be happy to see it shut down.

The street scene is nasty, dirty and to be avoided at all costs.

If you stick with an established AMP that know the rules around age etc. or preferably a known agency or indie... you will be fine.

I honestly don't understand why people bother with the street scene. Bad news on every front, legal, hygiene, safety, seediness, etc.

 

[Chef99]

All these examples of pimp violence and forcing girls into sex trade are usually related to other issues like a girl being a drug addict, runaway from family home, etc. There are absolutely no other reasons in Canada why a girl without any issues would be 'forced' into sex trade. She can easily work on her own or with an established agency/pimp which would never force her to do anything she doesn't want to.

Those who are 'trafficked' from abroad by promises of 'a job as a maid/factory line job' are typically aware what their real job would be. The disguise of offering ordinary jobs is usually needed in those countries where 'traffickers' can't legally offer sex trade jobs (like Canada BTW) - so girls themselves are still very well aware. In more civilized countries (like Spain, Germany) such offers / ads can be made absolutely legally, and you can see plenty of them with full disclosure of all the details related to the employment in sex trade. These ads also state that employers do have valid permits from authorities, which also means regular medical exams and protection from any potential abuse. We can definitely ague whether 'trafficked' girls are paid fairly, but that's a different issue not related to 'forcing' them into sex trade.

I am really shocked how you, guys, buy this simplistic propaganda so easily. You should know better if you are on this forum...

Wow, seriously? I have 2 main issues with your statements. You're clearly from the "it's the woman's fault" camp which is thinking in the dark ages. And WTF is with the "Simplistic Propaganda" statement? from who, exactly whose agenda do you think it is? Seriously dude, give your head a shake...

 

[winky32]

I think the Police/Media loves to play the "human trafficking" card for more shock value, to help garner public support and justification of their actions, and propaganda. While I don't doubt there are some cases where some women are "forced" into these circumstances, the girls in this China/Korean SP ring were not according to the RCMP:

" RCMP Const. Erique Gasse told reporters the women were aware they were coming to Canada to work in prostitution, but were told it would be under decent working conditions."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/04/01/federal-authorities-disma_n_6987876.html

 

[phreak]

Wow, seriously? I have 2 main issues with your statements. You're clearly from the "it's the woman's fault" camp which is thinking in the dark ages. And WTF is with the "Simplistic Propaganda" statement? from who, exactly whose agenda do you think it is? Seriously dude, give your head a shake...

I have no idea what you are talking about - I'm not looking for any 'woman's fault': prostitution is a perfectly NORMAL occupation, and 99% of women in it made their own decision to be involved in sex trade. Nobody 'forced' them, and it's not their 'fault' either - they simply provide a valuable service which is in high demand, and deserve all the respect for doing so. Those who are in 'dark ages' are our federal government, who think a girl can't make a decision to be a sex worker on her own - she can only be a victim, who is 'forced' into prostitution by evil abusive pimps (they imply sex workers are either sub-human and can't make responsible decisions for themselves or 'forced' by someone else or both). That's where this 'simplistic propaganda' originates to promote the agenda of the fascist lawless junta in Ottawa.

So you give your head a shake!

 

[phreak]

I think the Police/Media loves to play the "human trafficking" card for more shock value, to help garner public support and justification of their actions, and propaganda. While I don't doubt there are some cases where some women are "forced" into these circumstances, the girls in this China/Korean SP ring were not according to the RCMP:

" RCMP Const. Erique Gasse told reporters the women were aware they were coming to Canada to work in prostitution, but were told it would be under decent working conditions."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/04/01/federal-authorities-disma_n_6987876.html

Here we go: lies, lies and nothing but lies... When it comes to working conditions, they are usually more decent than the conditions in which most of Canadians live. Working and living in a nice condo in your own room looks quite decent to me... or am I wrong?

 

[westwoody]

Well, common sense tells me that you can't be busted for asking a question. There would have to be proof of a transaction, no? Of course, common sense doesn't always apply so maybe I'm wrong on that.

My God. All the discussion about C36 and people still don't have a clue.