corrupt nevada gaming commision GSP

[Aleister Crowley]

heres what Dana has to say about these crooks who already ruined boxing , now gonna do same to UFC ,
i think all pro sports needs to boycott vegas until they over haul the obvious.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/dana-white-rips-gsp-after-ufc-167-win-retiring-speech/

:nod:

 

[CJ Tylers]

You're taking ethics from Dana? Seriously?

 

[1nitestan]

More detailed coverage. Sportsnet had it a bit out of context in the printed article.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/11/17/5113926/gsp-vs-hendricks-highlights/in/4865385

 

[bcneil]

I had rounds 1, 2, and 4 for Johnny and 3 and 5 for gsp. with all rounds being somewhat close except round 2.
But this is hardly the worse judging I have seen.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

it's pretty much accepted worldwide that a challenger has to put in a convincing win to unseat a champion

gsp and hendricks traded shots, gsp got cut up some, but he was still bringing it right until the final bell. call it a tie or call it a close win for either one of them, but it was NOT a convincing enough win to take the title away from gsp

there's no question that hendricks could be the champion and probably will be if gsp steps aside for a while as he suggested he might - but hendricks should work on his whining a bit imo

 

[Tugela]

heres what Dana has to say about these crooks who already ruined boxing , now gonna do same to UFC ,
i think all pro sports needs to boycott vegas until they over haul the obvious.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/ufc/dana-white-rips-gsp-after-ufc-167-win-retiring-speech/

:nod:

Ummm....you do know that professional boxing has been rigged from day one right?

It wasn't ruined, it was always like that.

 

[diamondd5243]

I was mad too at first then changed my opinion after hearing some of the same arguments stated within this thread. I was rooting for Johny too but if u rewatch the fight, GSP wasn't too far off from winning on pts.

 

[bcneil]

I was mad too at first then changed my opinion after hearing some of the same arguments stated within this thread. I was rooting for Johny too but if u rewatch the fight, GSP wasn't too far off from winning on pts.

I also noticed anytime they put of the total strike landed bar graph, GSP was always ahead.

I just checked out some site that had the stats for the fight.

Round 1 Gsp outscored Hendricks in sig strikes 19-18 both had a takedown. This was the round that 2 judges gave to GSP.
Round 2 Hendricks 30-28, with some very big strikes.
Round 3 Gsp 31-15. Hendricks with the only takedown.
Round 4 Hendricks 18-13
Round 5 Gsp 9-4, with Gsp getting credit for 2 takedowns.

So yeah, very close fight. The problem is the scoring system. Round 1 is razor close, winner gets the round. Round 2 very one sided, but in the end its just the same as round one, a single round won.

 

[1nitestan]

Scoring is useless when the judges/NSAC is fucked up. Scoring is one thing, actual physical damage is another. You only have to look at the two fighters to see that GSP got beat up badly. Hendricks delivered almost 2x as many strikes as GSP and controlled for over 5min vs 3:30 or so for GSP.

 

[BORKO]

Scoring is useless when the judges/NSAC is fucked up. Scoring is one thing, actual physical damage is another. You only have to look at the two fighters to see that GSP got beat up badly. Hendricks delivered almost 2x as many strikes as GSP and controlled for over 5min vs 3:30 or so for GSP.

Yes, but some fighters bruise and/or cut easier than others.

They should go back to the PrideFC method of judging where it is the whole fight and they gave credit for submission attempts. And judges should be former fighters and coaches, not randoms.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

I also noticed anytime they put of the total strike landed bar graph, GSP was always ahead.

I just checked out some site that had the stats for the fight.

Round 1 Gsp outscored Hendricks in sig strikes 19-18 both had a takedown. This was the round that 2 judges gave to GSP.
Round 2 Hendricks 30-28, with some very big strikes.
Round 3 Gsp 31-15. Hendricks with the only takedown.
Round 4 Hendricks 18-13
Round 5 Gsp 9-4, with Gsp getting credit for 2 takedowns.

So yeah, very close fight. The problem is the scoring system. Round 1 is razor close, winner gets the round. Round 2 very one sided, but in the end its just the same as round one, a single round won.

Hendricks delivered almost 2x as many strikes as GSP and controlled for over 5min vs 3:30 or so for GSP.

something's not adding up in these two reports of the number of strikes

i think dana white's implying that the fault isn't with the judge's backgrounds, it's that the gaming commission is in the pockets of the odds-makers and the big money gamblers and the judges are doing what they're told to do by the gangsters. not unusual when you consider the amount of money that changes hands on betting on the fights - plus the rather convincing pressure that organized crime can bring to bear on the judges

 

[bcneil]

something's not adding up in these two reports of the number of strikes

That's because my post was a total of strikes/takedowns each round. 1nitestands post is the scorecard, with all 9s or 10s, and does not include punch stats.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

That's because my post was a total of strikes/takedowns each round. 1nitestands post is the scorecard, with all 9s or 10s, and does not include punch stats.

because the 'bold' function isn't working, i was unable to indicate that i was talking about stan's statement that hendricks delivered almost 2x as many strikes as gsp. that's certianly not the fight i watched

 

[BORKO]

because the 'bold' function isn't working, i was unable to indicate that i was talking about stan's statement that hendricks delivered almost 2x as many strikes as gsp. that's certianly not the fight i watched

I believe he's quoting significant strikes.

 

[wilde]

Hendricks wobbled GSP twice while Hendricks was never in any real trouble. Hendricks dominated the clinch and wrestling. Add that to the damage shown by GSP and barely any damage to Hendricks , it is clear who won the fight, at least to me anyways.

 

[BORKO]

Hendricks wobbled GSP twice while Hendricks was never in any real trouble. Hendricks dominated the clinch and wrestling. Add that to the damage shown by GSP and barely any damage to Hendricks , it is clear who won the fight, at least to me anyways.

Then it's the 10 point must system used by the UFC vs the basic "who won the fight" used by pride.

On the 10 point must system, the fighter can get destroyed in the first round and then lay in the other guy the next 4 rounds to get the win. I think the Henderson vs shields fight was a good example of this.

 

[1nitestan]

Yes, but some fighters bruise and/or cut easier than others.

They should go back to the PrideFC method of judging where it is the whole fight and they gave credit for submission attempts. And judges should be former fighters and coaches, not randoms.

True but GSP isn't a hemophiliac.

 

[Aleister Crowley]

something's not adding up in these two reports of the number of strikes

i think dana white's implying that the fault isn't with the judge's backgrounds, it's that the gaming commission is in the pockets of the odds-makers and the big money gamblers and the judges are doing what they're told to do by the gangsters. not unusual when you consider the amount of money that changes hands on betting on the fights - plus the rather convincing pressure that organized crime can bring to bear on the judges

my point also ....
i dont know what fight some of you were watching , but GSP got his shit kicked and lost that fight !!!
but the bookies , have it cooked in vegas !!!
next fight cannot be there. and if Dana has anything to do with it and i,m sure he will , VEGAS wont get another fight there for a long time.

 

[huggzy]

my point also ....
i dont know what fight some of you were watching , but GSP got his shit kicked and lost that fight !!!
but the bookies , have it cooked in vegas !!!
next fight cannot be there. and if Dana has anything to do with it and i,m sure he will , VEGAS wont get another fight there for a long time.

Well bro, it is almost universally accepted that Hendricks definitely won rounds 2 and 4, and GSP won 3 and 5. The debateable round was round 1 and it seems that everyone agrees that the round was razor close. This hardly qualifies as a "cooked" decision.

The medical suspensions came out today. It seems that GSP managed to blow out Hendricks knee in the first round with leg kicks. Hendricks is on medical suspension for 6 months. The talk is that everybody in the stadium (and likely the judges) heard that knee pop in that round...apparently everybody but Dana White.

So not only does it appear that the judges may have gotten the scoring correct as per the 10 point must system, but Dana declared in the press conference that damage is the most important criteria. If that's the case, not only did GSP win the round 1, but he won the fight because he's only on medical suspension for 45 days. His face will be cleared up long before Hendricks' knee will be cleared.

Face bruises don't count for everything folks.

 

[rexxx]

Dana just wants the Nevada commission out of his hair so he can decide the winners himself. Basing a fight on face bruises is not how its done if they don't want to use the 10 point system then make up something else but you don't get to call the judges corrupt when they call a close fight differently than the result you want. The fights are in Vegas because you can charge more for seats Dana won't be passing that up no matter what he says in public