The Climate Change Deniers can go back to their holes now

storm rider

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Several months ago I read in amazement as several posters on this forum denied human caused climate change.

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people really are.

Don't listen to the scientific community at large, don't use that small little brain of yours.

Just Google Richard Miller Global Warming Koch Brothers
How about you google search "climate gate"....if those scientists are correct then why would they need
to falsify data or skew it in their favour?

SR
 

rictor71

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I find climate change deniers are usually religious folk whose minds can't wrap their heads around the fact that they aren't in control(via"God").They believe ,and they deny anything that remotely conflicts with those beliefs.Sad Fuckers
 

mik

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Chilli, most climate change deniers don't read perb; they spend their time reading the bible and awaiting the next command of our glorious PM.

Storm rider, why am I not surprised that you are in Calgary?
 

HankQuinlan

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Climate change denial is completely understandable:
- The vast resources of the oil and coal lobby -- and the trillions of dollars of potential profits lost if there was a widespread political will to reduce fossil fuel use --- speaks for it itself. The propaganda machine has been very effective, and the widespread doubts from respected public/media figures (e.g., Rex Murphy) is proof of that success.
- The change in lifestyles required is never welcome. The natural human reaction to saying "You need to do this...." is to deny that it is necessary. This applies to everything, including small things like recycling household waste. Why should I change? What difference would that make in the big scheme of things?
- The basic hopelessness of the changes needed. First you have to convince Western countries that it is in their interest to invest economically in solutions that will have no effect until the Chinese, Russians, and Indians take the same measures. How many years would that take? It will pretty much take catastrophic changes -- losses of major first-world cities like New York or Amsterdam, say -- to convince a majority that change is necessary.

It is much easier for folks like us to just say let the kids figure it out or learn to live with it. I am too old for the global economic collapse to affect me, so screw it. Others can deal with the mass migrations and camps set up to deal with it. Others can deal with no insurance companies surviving.

Don't expect scientific evidence to influence important policy, if it affects the economic well-being of those in power. There isn't much historical precedent for it ever happening.
 

rexxx

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Whether you believe it or not we're still 20-30 years away from doing anything about it so it really doesn't matter its too late
 

the old maxx50

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Yep we have globe warming which i would say is a climate changing event .. ,, We have polluted and pumped billions of tons of chemicals in to the atmosphere and oceans , in the last 200 yrs .. and don't for get the volcanic activity on land and in the oceans which has also been on an on crease in the last 200 yrs also Then there has been the continuing deforestation . of rain forest , through man made means , and nature fires and bug kill . and some of that natural causes, precipitated by the globe warming .. A vicious cycle ! And it is obvious that very little has been done to stop our contribution to it .. accept , talk , reports ,, presenting the stats from the last 50yrs and then lay ing blame here and there ...

Talk about reducing our carbon foot print ,, putting in programs that spend or tax socially ,, seem to be the solution that is offered . but nothing will really stop it .. WE may blame us for te climate change and think we can change it back to the better .. Really do you think that can be done? With what osterity measures ?.. .. Burn less fuel , or alternative power sources , Industry cut there emissions of sulphide , carbon monoxide, hydro carbons . we manage our forest , and all the forests of the world , along with ocean environments .. We stop . forest fires ,, and volcanic eruptions ..

Some of these things are imposable others are highly unlikely with an population that is rapidly increasing and with emerging new economic consumer growth in half the world population , which will only lead to more industrial production .. . probably doubling what we have , with in the next 10 years or less ..

So we think there can be a stop globe warming .. Only by being coming one of those religious fanatics that was so . chastised her For it is they who say the population will bee reduced ,, and there have been a number of scenarios that say how that will happen .. What ever form it take ,, weather it is nature or man made .. reducing the population of 7 billion to 1 or 2 billion .. will have a major impact of mans contribution to our present contribution to globe warming
Of course the what ever the cause of our rapid population decrease is . will have some other adverse effect on the environment of this plants ..

You may believing as you wish , and that science backs of the the fact .. of theories But remember we are only a lip in the ecological changes of this planet .. Man mad or not .. they are an inconveniences to us and that is all thus is about .. Think how the asteroid impact was an inconvenience to the survival of the dinosaur .. Now we actually have the ability to adapt . and change our behavior .. Will we .

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InnocentBoy

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I'd be more worried about all the nuclear energy plants designed for a operating life of 20-25 years (now leaking) running more than double their designed life span because greedy bureaucrats want to milk some more money out of them.
 

InnocentBoy

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Strange how said tax money is never enough to get anything done. Yet when they audit the books of how tax money is spent 75%+ of it doesn't even go back to the areas it was taken from.
 

storm rider

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I wonder how does he explain the extremely cold weather on the west coast this year? Because if the hot weather is proof for global warming, the cold weather is proof for the opposite... ;)
Ask david suzuki about it if you see him walking around his fancy West Vancouver neighborhood....that is of course if you are admitted to that fancy neighborhood....you might ask him why he is on the bandwagon that is global warming when not less than 15 years ago he was bleating about global cooling and the next soon to be arriving ice age....it would probably be a wasted effort as david suzuki has his tax payer funded foundation to protect and he certainly would not tarnish it's image as he would not want to lose the donations from the general public who buy into the snake oil he sells.

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BenSisko

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Global warming is bull.
 

PuntMeister

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....and the science says.....

....climate is affected most by solar activity. Period. It is arrogance to assume we puny humans have actually made an impact on gloabal climate conditions in the short time we have become industrialized. Nothing correlates to earth temperatures even remotely closely to solar flares and energy emmissions from our beloved sun. Yet I put PV panels on my roof, wear a sweater in the winter, turn off my lights, and seek good energy karma at every opportunity. Why? It is the right thing to do. But to call people morons who don't by into the false hype of zealots trying to make a name for themself is ignorant. Yes we have to move the pendulum back to a more energy neutral society. But no, we haven't fucked up the planet yet. Now if you want to save the planet, stop living like you were holed up in a hotel room through each of the seasons. Go with the flow and adapt like our fore-fathers and mothers did.

Peace.
 

Dgodus

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I do get a kick out of sensationalist comments made by some people that we'll "kill the planet" or "fuck it up". We cant do shit to the planet, even if we let fly nukes everywhere, the only thing we'll be able to do is make in inhospitable for us.
 

Edward Lei

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....and the science says.....

....climate is affected most by solar activity. Period. It is arrogance to assume we puny humans have actually made an impact on gloabal climate conditions in the short time we have become industrialized.
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What people fail to see is that, like someone mentioned earlier:

Climate > weather

Geological time > Our time (civilization)
 

Tugela

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How about you google search "climate gate"....if those scientists are correct then why would they need
to falsify data or skew it in their favour?

SR
Are you trying to suggest that all scientists are part of a global conspiracy to falsify data?
 

Tugela

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Chilli, most climate change deniers don't read perb; they spend their time reading the bible and awaiting the next command of our glorious PM.

Storm rider, why am I not surprised that you are in Calgary?
The real reason for them denying it has nothing to do with data or logic, their motivation in most cases is that they don't want to change their lifestyle or their way of making money. So, they deny anything and everything, its their way of rationalizing their behaviour. Ostrich logic.
 

Tugela

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I wonder how does he explain the extremely cold weather on the west coast this year? Because if the hot weather is proof for global warming, the cold weather is proof for the opposite... ;)
The cool weather was on a narrow strip of the pacific north west coast. The rest of the continent was abnormally warm.
 

BenSisko

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The real reason for them denying it has nothing to do with data or logic, their motivation in most cases is that they don't want to change their lifestyle or their way of making money. So, they deny anything and everything, its their way of rationalizing their behaviour. Ostrich logic.
Or they are using data that isn't fixed. It's called climategate, maybe you should pull your head out of the sand and look around. Independent scientists don't make as much money as Al Gore does.
 
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