Jason Kenney bans face coverings from citizenship oaths

[mercyshooter]

Unions are created to negotiate on behalf of their members. They do so effectively. Life isn't fair. Get over it.
The constitution doesn't worry about how much or how little money you make, only that people are treated equally in society regardless of creed or culture.
What someone negotiates for compensation with their employer is their business, not anyone else's.
What I get paid is significantly more than my coworkers. because I have demonstrated I'm worth more.



I'm sorry to be the one that has to inform you that in any country or culture, if you spend more than you make, you will suffer from 'an economic loss'.
Chances are very high you will suffer a loss. 100% chance.

But do you really worth more in other employers' perspectives? Can you really compete globally? There are still many questions inside the labor market. The important is that everyone who qualifies for a job should have a job. But the job market in Canada is low in chance in getting a job due to many restrictions. High labor cost is one of the freaking reasons. Btw, the AC union in this past fall didn't exactly know what the workers really want!

in some culture, almost everyone that qualifies for a job has a job. so it's ok for them to spend more than they make once in a while. reason is that they can make it back.

 

[Ray]

But do you really worth more in other employers' perspectives?

Yes. My coworkers agree I'm worth more. Seriously.

Can you really compete globally?

Yes. I'm really specialized in what I do, and I do it very well, so I can get a job anywhere.

The important is that everyone who qualifies for a job should have a job.

No. A capitalist economy is based on supply and demand. If everyone can do a certain job, then an employer doesn't need to pay a lot of money for someone to do it. If only a handful of people in a country are qualified to do a certain job, then an employer will pay a lot to have you on staff.
China and the former Soviet Union practiced the former, where everyone had 'a job'. It became a running joke that you came in and pretended to work, and the employer pretended to pay you. (No, I'm not from there, but I have friends from Eastern Europe who told me about life under communism.)

But the job market in Canada is low in chance in getting a job due to many restrictions. High labor cost is one of the freaking reasons

There are a number of reasons that the job market is depressed, not just due to high labor costs. (I'd like to see where you got that reasoning.)

Ours is a resource based economy. Forestry and mining, as well as oil and gas.
Due to the softwood lumber dispute with the US, the forestry industry has collapsed.
Due to the global economic slowdown, the mining sector has slowed down, because the raw materials aren't required if the plants are shutting down.
There isn't that much demand for natural gas, the prices are quite low.
The oil industry is booming.

Wages?
Everyone I know that works in the oil patch makes a 6 figure income. The high labor cost is not a deterrent, the lack of qualified people is.

Btw, the AC union in this past fall didn't exactly know what the workers really want!

The problem with the Air Canada unions is that there isn't one union representing the employees, there are 5 unions with competing interests, and competition for members.

And what happened to the Natives today

My statement was a counter to a previous statement that 'Englishmen built this nation'. The nation was already built.

 

[CJ Tylers]

You know, it's always amusing to see unions being used as a scape goat, or a convenient punching bag.

I think a better question to pose is this:

Who has more readily useable spending power that they are willing to make use of, that lovely little thing that is able to lift economies out of the doldrums and enrich tax coffers...

a) A few exceedingly wealthy businessmen who hoarde their wealth and put the screws to their employees, whom have a multitude of tax loop holes allowing them to pay little to no tax or,
b) throngs of properly paid middle class earners, who are supporting their families, attempting to save for the future, and still try to add in a few of the finer things in life?

Yes, you need a business to make money and certainly the businessman keeps people employed... but the simple answer is that a government and an economy is able to squeeze more cash out of a well paid middle class earner than any other tax bracket. The middle class earners have more immediate disposable cash that they are willing to spread around (as a group), but not enough options that allow them to substatially reduce their tax payments (as an individual).

Any government that throws the middle class a bone & leaves them alone.... it'll be in power forever. With the shrinking economies, the middle class is needed more than ever... it's really disturbing to see the continued assault on, and erosion of, this income group.

 

[mercyshooter]

The problem with the Air Canada unions is that there isn't one union representing the employees, there are 5 unions with competing interests, and competition for members.

There are lots. Now it's the teachers turn. Sooner or later, it's the governments', hospitals', nurses', etc. Holy shit! when does it end? I remember one year that there's no Translink for 4 months! People in there earn at least $20/hour and still want raise. What the fuck and losing 9 mill every year! The whole Canadian system is a fuck up!

 

[myselftheother]

There are lots. Now it's the teachers turn. Sooner or later, it's the governments', hospitals', nurses', etc. Holy shit! when does it end? I remember one year that there's no Translink for 4 months! People in there earn at least $20/hour and still want raise. What the fuck and losing 9 mill every year! The whole Canadian system is a fuck up!

I guess then by your reasoning then Canada should just give up, turn off the lights and say goodnight? I think you wear your hats way too tight.

 

[Johnny Sins]

I didn't know we are living in a melting pot like the United States, I thought this is Canada. I don't particular have a problem with racist people, I have considered myself somewhat racist. What I have a problem with is, all immigrants must follow the Canadian Anglo Saxson culture once we are here. No we don't, that is why we have Korean restaurants,Persian smokehouses, and Japanese Karaoke, not just Hockey games and football stadiums.

Charter of Rights Section
27. This Charter shall be interpreted in a manner consistent with the preservation and enhancement of the multicultural heritage of Canadians.

It is not about being able to cope, it is about a free choice in not conforming to the Anglo-Saxson culture. It is only in insecure societies where people get anxious of the nonconformist, evidence of that today, in the United States. Canadians, particularly White Canadians, tend to denounce the multicultural policy Trudeau implemented, because "it is what it ought to be.'' My family believed in the honest government of Canada, that is why we sacrificed all that we had to immigrate to this country. Without that policy, Canada would not be a leader in anything. Englishmen created this nation, immigrants came and built it.

100 years may be long time in Canadian history, but compared to other civilizations, not much so. We all live in the present, immigrants are here to stay, more will come. If all of you get anxious and annoyed about other cultures, then go back to where you come from. It is the immigrants that contribute to most of the economic success in Canada, so please show some respect and put your petty grievances and nationalism aside.

That's all fine and dandy. But remember, when you moved here, our way of life is what motivated you to come here in the first place.

If every country in the world was exactly the same - it wouldn't be interesting. Yes, Canada was founded by British imperialists. I like that about Canada, it's my heritage. What makes me Canadian is the fact I was born here. I didn't move here on a boat, and now have a sense of entitlement because I've lived here the minimum 3-year period and think I own Canada. I really wish they would push that requirement to a minimum 10 years. Actually, if it were up to me, if you're not born here, you don't become a citizen, period. This would mitigate a lot of the free-loading immigrants who come here specifically to clog up our healthcare/welfare system on unjustified claims. No, I'm not insinuating ALL immigrants come to Canada to be fraudulent. But a great many do, riding the coat-tails of other landed-immigrant family members as their access to Canada.

It has been studied once a demographic reaches 30%, as is the case in certain regions of the lower mainland, one no longer needs to learn English. Pretty obvious one only needs to look at Richmond as an example. One can live in Richmond, without ever needing to speak a word of English. Pray tell, how in the fuck is that immigrating to Canada? There's absolutely no assimilation. It's simply taking everything from your old country and moving it here. Is that what it means to become Canadian? Damn I'd hope not.

To me, there's no sense of being Canadian with what I've described. What nationalism do you decree? And you turn around and call this being anxious of non-conformity. Japanese Karoake bars aren't Canadian. Keyword being Japanese. Korean Kimchi restaurants isn't Canadian. It's Korean.

Other countries don't open doors like we do. I don't see English only communities in China for us Canadians to move to, so we don't have to learn Chinese, and then have superstores to buy all our North American products.

And at the end of the day we're whining about women not wanting to show their face. Ungrateful twats.

 

[mercyshooter]

That's all fine and dandy. But remember, when you moved here, our way of life is what motivated you to come here in the first place.

Yup, but then you have to keep up the good and remove the bad.

 

[mercyshooter]

I guess then by your reasoning then Canada should just give up, turn off the lights and say goodnight? I think you wear your hats way too tight.

Just change it for the greater good. And I came from HK! Imagine how competitive your life can be over there.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Why is the charter of rights so hard to grasp for certain European-Canadians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Multiculturalism_Act

Is this act not considered Canadian? A person who respects the Charter of Rights is what I consider a true Canadian. Anyone who disrespect the multicultural society in Canada should go back to wherever they come from..Go back to farming your potatoes, Johnny.

actually, i was around and of voting age when the 'charter of no rights' was enacted

before this we were governed by the body of Common Law, which held that its citizens had the right to do everything, except what was prevented by acts of common law, which were usually enacted to prevent uncivilized acts. the charter of rights on the other hand says that the citizens have no rights - except the specific ones granted by the charter. note the subtle but oh-so-important difference?

then trudeau, during one of his terms, decided to patriate the Canadian constitution, and that it would be 'protected' by a charter of rights. an all-party commission was struck with the marching orders of deciding on a charter of rights before the Liberals had to call the next election. this ensured that canadians had NO say in the decision to even write a charter of rights because it was never part of trudeau's election campaign, and NO say in the actual wording of the charter because it was completed before they had a chance to vote on it or for it. canadian? no, i don't think so... crafted by canadian politicians? yep, it sure was - but with absolutely NO mandate from the canadian electorate

trudeau was famous (or should i say infamous) for these kinds of tactics, because he had utter disregard for the canadian voter, but back to the charter. no, i don't consider it to be canadian - not for one god-damned second. but i will follow its rules, because i believe in the rule of law; however, i also consider it to be wide open for discussion, so i will interpret it the way i like to in many cases

hard to grasp? yes, i consider it VERY hard to grasp why we didn't revolt against the bastard when he rammed this monstrosity down our throats

well that's my rant for the day

 

[myselftheother]

Do you feel you are superior because you were born here? You don't think you have a sense of entitlement because you had a chance to come out of your mother's womb in to the land of the free? You don't think white people who drink beer and shoot up drugs are clogging up the healthcare system anymore than the immigrants? Go down to DTES and try and find an Asian druggie, will be a few but less than 10% for sure. What about the suburban white kids that started the hockey riots? Proud of your heritage? Didn't the Commonwealth disown your ancestors during the potato famine, you all were forced to come here because there were not enough food to support your weak asses in England. Don't speak as if you own this country because you came here first.


That sense of being Canadian is not just created out of your own head, again we are not in the 19th century anymore, British colonialism is long gone. What crack talk is assimilation? Have anyone informed you that it didn't work on the Natives as well as the Blacks? Yah, try hard to assimilate us into the European-Canadian way, you'll see us in prison after 100 years, that would be great for your economy and prosperity. You wouldn't want us to be smoking weed, drinking beer and watch hockey all day either, that is the Canadian way right? Because that would quite a hurting for the Canadian economy, well good for Molson and Franceso Aquilini I suppose.

Why is the charter of rights so hard to grasp for certain European-Canadians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Multiculturalism_Act

Is this act not considered Canadian? A person who respects the Charter of Rights is what I consider a true Canadian. Anyone who disrespect the multicultural society in Canada should go back to wherever they come from..Go back to farming your potatoes, Johnny.

What's with the racism? Are you anti-caucasian? Or anti natural born Canadian?

Seriously, though....I was born here, my parents were, grandparents....and it goes on and on. My grandfathers went to war, fought for the this country, for England, for Europe, and one fought against the Imperialistic Emperor of Japan, in China and Hong Kong. My grandpa fought for the lives of those on that little island, and in the South China Sea. For your parents, for your people, an Anglo-Saxon descendent fought for the freedom of the people there in WWII. He saw his buddies and his mates die beside him....and was wounded several times in battle. Unfortunately, as you know in 1949 China decided to have an insane revolution and slaughter most of the intellectual commumity and purify it's country. What a waste.

You, and your parents and your grandparents ought to be licking the boots of my grandfather and others like him for fighting for you, to have an opportunity to live, grow and thrive in a land of peace. There are no wars here, no one is trying to kill you or your family...because of what they fought for. Gramps joined up because he saw it was the right thing to do. That's what he told me, as there was a great evil at that time in the world. My other grandpa wouldn't talk about his time in Europe, in Africa and Italy through to Germany via Holland. He was there from 1939 to the end in 45.

They both returned to Vancouver, helped build the roads, the infrastructure and settled down to raise their families, pay taxes and contribute to the society that they fought for...and I honour that with my living the best life that I can, paying my taxes and helping to create and sustain a place where people like you can come and live in peace, where again no one is trying to kill you for just being it is whatever you are....Asian, Chinese, Indian....

You have most of your facts wrong, about who is Canadian, what is Canadian, and it's more than having a certificate that sez you are. I guess since you may be a new arrival, in the last 10 years you don't get it, and you won't. Your kids might, or theirs. Being ignorant and stupid, racist and disillusioned is not the way to contribute.

My family bled for this country, for the Commonwealth, for freedom and against tyranny. When you say shit like you did in your last post I find it insulting to the extreme and I find that you are ungrateful for what was made ready for you to just step into. We built everything you are currently enjoying, Europeans and the Asians that came before you. Everything. Respect that, and I might respect you.

And, if you can't abide by that....then I feel sorry for you and everyone around you. Do I feel entitled to be here because I was lucky enough to be born here? Yes. Am I grateful, for everything and everyone who made it possible....fuckin A I do.

BTW, the Great Potato Famine was in Ireland, and most of those escaping that were located in Boston and New York.

Secondly, the riots were a big mix of every race that lives in the lowermainland, Indians, Asians and us whities, so get it right.

Thirdly...your ranting really doesn't make sense. The Charter of Rights was a mistake, thought it did give some protection for religious freedoms, though the multiculturalism was a mistake. A person who respects the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not a true Canadian, it's one who become part of the whole community, contributes to that community, and has values that go beyond just sucking at the public tit like most freeloaders here, possibly like yourself.

Finally...Like I said in my previous posts, I don't care what colour you are, where you come from...just don't take for granted what we built for you to enjoy while you're here.

 

[myselftheother]

Just change it for the greater good. And I came from HK! Imagine how competitive your life can be over there.

I could imagine, most definitely....it would be insane there, with the population of Canada in an area the size of Metro Vancouver.

What sort of change do you think would be for the greater good? Specifically, please.

 

[mercyshooter]

actually, i was around and of voting age when the 'charter of no rights' was enacted

before this we were governed by the body of Common Law, which held that its citizens had the right to do everything, except what was prevented by acts of common law, which were usually enacted to prevent uncivilized acts. the charter of rights on the other hand says that the citizens have no rights - except the specific ones granted by the charter. note the subtle but oh-so-important difference?

then trudeau, during one of his terms, decided to patriate the Canadian constitution, and that it would be 'protected' by a charter of rights. an all-party commission was struck with the marching orders of deciding on a charter of rights before the Liberals had to call the next election. this ensured that canadians had NO say in the decision to even write a charter of rights because it was never part of trudeau's election campaign, and NO say in the actual wording of the charter because it was completed before they had a chance to vote on it or for it. canadian? no, i don't think so... crafted by canadian politicians? yep, it sure was - but with absolutely NO mandate from the canadian electorate

trudeau was famous (or should i say infamous) for these kinds of tactics, because he had utter disregard for the canadian voter, but back to the charter. no, i don't consider it to be canadian - not for one god-damned second. but i will follow its rules, because i believe in the rule of law; however, i also consider it to be wide open for discussion, so i will interpret it the way i like to in many cases

hard to grasp? yes, i consider it VERY hard to grasp why we didn't revolt against the bastard when he rammed this monstrosity down our throats

well that's my rant for the day

So, the constitution act should be abolished. your reply sounds like the constitution act was not approved by the Canadians.
And so if this is the case, then everything that I said is correct!

 

[myselftheother]

So, the constitution act should be abolished. your reply sounds like the constitution act was not approved by the Canadians.
And so if this is the case, then everything that I said is correct!

From what I remember there was no referendum on it, though I might be wrong as I was still too young to care at the time or to understand it.

But, I wouldn't go so far as to say that everything that you stated is correct....or even as far to say that you're even partly right....

 

[vancity_cowboy]

So, the constitution act should be abolished. your reply sounds like the constitution act was not approved by the Canadians.
And so if this is the case, then everything that I said is correct!

no, nothing you said is correct

listen, grasshopper... and tell your children what you heard... and tell them to tell your grandchildren what you heard and what your children hear too... and shut the hell up during those three generations because that's how long it will take you and yours to learn the subtleties of the situation here so you can comment on them with wisdom

sheesh... two rants in one day! you're on a roll grasshopper...

 

[mercyshooter]

no, nothing you said is correct

listen, grasshopper... and tell your children what you heard... and tell them to tell your grandchildren what you heard and what your children hear too... and shut the hell up during those three generations because that's how long it will take you and yours to learn the subtleties of the situation here so you can comment on them with wisdom

sheesh... two rants in one day! you're on a roll grasshopper...

Hey, I'm just analyzing the whole thing! You think it's easy to analyze? It's kinda like a QA job! Without QA, no products can be sold in Canada! And if this is the case, you are dead by now! Clarify me to prove me wrong!

 

[HankQuinlan]

Hey, I'm just analyzing the whole thing! You think it's easy to analyze? It's kinda like a QA job! Without QA, no products can be sold in Canada! And if this is the case, you are dead by now! Clarify me to prove me wrong!

I am sure any one of us would be happy to clarify you. That would mean boiling you down to a liquid, and straining the remains to remove the solids.

(Yes, I peeked. This ignore feature thing gives me too much leeway to look....)

 

[mercyshooter]

I am sure any one of us would be happy to clarify you. That would mean boiling you down to a liquid, and straining the remains to remove the solids.

(Yes, I peeked. This ignore feature thing gives me too much leeway to look....)

Read Ovaltine's posts if you want detailed evidences. Like I said I only do the short versions.

 

[myselftheother]

Read Ovaltine's posts if you want detailed evidences. Like I said I only do the short versions.

I wouldn't take his posts too seriously. Do your own research, find your own conclusions, don't let someone else make them for you.

 

[mercyshooter]

I wouldn't take his posts too seriously. Do your own research, find your own conclusions, don't let someone else make them for you.

I do. I just don't like to stay out the details, especially politics. That's all. I like to be brief and precise. Politics are always on the news as people really need to know what the government is doing.

 

[Karl Blues]

What's with the racism? Are you anti-caucasian? Or anti natural born Canadian?

Seriously, though....I was born here, my parents were, grandparents....and it goes on and on. My grandfathers went to war, fought for the this country, for England, for Europe, and one fought against the Imperialistic Emperor of Japan, in China and Hong Kong. My grandpa fought for the lives of those on that little island, and in the South China Sea. For your parents, for your people, an Anglo-Saxon descendent fought for the freedom of the people there in WWII. He saw his buddies and his mates die beside him....and was wounded several times in battle. Unfortunately, as you know in 1949 China decided to have an insane revolution and slaughter most of the intellectual commumity and purify it's country. What a waste.

You, and your parents and your grandparents ought to be licking the boots of my grandfather and others like him for fighting for you, to have an opportunity to live, grow and thrive in a land of peace. There are no wars here, no one is trying to kill you or your family...because of what they fought for. Gramps joined up because he saw it was the right thing to do. That's what he told me, as there was a great evil at that time in the world. My other grandpa wouldn't talk about his time in Europe, in Africa and Italy through to Germany via Holland. He was there from 1939 to the end in 45.

They both returned to Vancouver, helped build the roads, the infrastructure and settled down to raise their families, pay taxes and contribute to the society that they fought for...and I honour that with my living the best life that I can, paying my taxes and helping to create and sustain a place where people like you can come and live in peace, where again no one is trying to kill you for just being it is whatever you are....Asian, Chinese, Indian....

You have most of your facts wrong, about who is Canadian, what is Canadian, and it's more than having a certificate that sez you are. I guess since you may be a new arrival, in the last 10 years you don't get it, and you won't. Your kids might, or theirs. Being ignorant and stupid, racist and disillusioned is not the way to contribute.

My family bled for this country, for the Commonwealth, for freedom and against tyranny. When you say shit like you did in your last post I find it insulting to the extreme and I find that you are ungrateful for what was made ready for you to just step into. We built everything you are currently enjoying, Europeans and the Asians that came before you. Everything. Respect that, and I might respect you.

And, if you can't abide by that....then I feel sorry for you and everyone around you. Do I feel entitled to be here because I was lucky enough to be born here? Yes. Am I grateful, for everything and everyone who made it possible....fuckin A I do.

BTW, the Great Potato Famine was in Ireland, and most of those escaping that were located in Boston and New York.

Secondly, the riots were a big mix of every race that lives in the lowermainland, Indians, Asians and us whities, so get it right.

Thirdly...your ranting really doesn't make sense. The Charter of Rights was a mistake, thought it did give some protection for religious freedoms, though the multiculturalism was a mistake. A person who respects the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is not a true Canadian, it's one who become part of the whole community, contributes to that community, and has values that go beyond just sucking at the public tit like most freeloaders here, possibly like yourself.

Finally...Like I said in my previous posts, I don't care what colour you are, where you come from...just don't take for granted what we built for you to enjoy while you're here.

Many Chinese helped build the railroads. The railroad is what made Canada even possible. See http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/settlement/kids/021013-2031.3-e.html.

For that, they lived under deplorable conditions, were treated inhumanely and paid less than caucasians. Racial inequality and abuse is a big part of Canada's history.
WWII allies had participation from lots of minority groups including Indians and Africans. Chances are that they fought alongside your grandfather. (Will you lick their boots LOL?)

The real question is: who is Canadian? who has a right to citizenship? Is it just people who are born here? People who have lived here 10 years? Currently the rule is 3 years. It has been in place for almost 40 years. The result has been great amounts of immigration. The result is one of the most prosperous countries in the world.

The building didn't stop with your Grandfather or the Chinese or (East) Indians or any other group. It continues today. With people like me, not born here, who have lived here for many years, created wealth and taxes. Some would deny us basic rights of citizenship. In other words, treat us less than equal. Just because I wasn't born here.

I am very grateful to live in Canada, but it goes both ways.