SP's, a security idea

Nadia, I am sorry to hear about your experiences...this business is so dangerous.

I think the call centre is a good idea, but wouldn't it be better to just ask clients for references from established providers before granting them a session.

References are common place in the United States (especially in cities where cops set up girls). References would remove safety concerns and likely reduce no-shows as well.

Websites like roomservice2000 (I am sure that there are others) verify gentlemen but their personal info is not provided to the escort, only a yes or no verification is.

I believe that references might be the only way to go in a city that within a year: has had two working girls murdered and now your tragic assault and rape.

Naughty Nadia said:

Anyways, I have a proposal. I've obviously been thinking a lot about security.

We each have our methods, some have no methods, others are intermittent.
Since I won't be able to work for at least a couple of months due to physical damage, I am going to start a call center company.

You open an account with the company. Every day you will be working, you call in the morning and let us know so we have your file ready.

Every booking you get, you call and let us know the start and finish times. ( and no guys, we wouldn't need to know your names and numbers so this would'nt affect your anonymity.If you have not checked in 10 minutes after the stated end up, we call you. If you have not responded in 15 minutes, a 911 call will be placed and police dispatched to your location.

In case someone is holding a gun to your head making sure you say everything is fine, a code word will be established to let us know you need help NOW.

A set amount will be charged for each call and you would be billed monthly or bi-weekly.

This is something that would be accessible to ALL girls, would be constant,
and completely confidential. Even tax deductible! Hell, it could go Canada wide with a 1-800 number.

I'm experienced in business administration,but obviously this would need partners to organize different aspects of it, and I'd love to hear suggestions and ideas. This is the best way I can think of that is a community wide safety measure. Funny, I was talking to Izzie tonight and I started to tell her about it and she had been talking to someone about the exact same idea.

Let me know what you think.

Nadia

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Its refreshing to see that you are making such a speedy recovery and are able to be so positive and move on so quickly considering the circumstances.

God Bless!

Nadia I think its a good idea & often thought a service like that was needed. Vancouver has quite the reputation building. Tragically, not unlike any other major city violence against working girls; inside or outdoors is becoming all too common news.
Being in this profession is dangerous on so many levels. I'm baffled as well that on so many levels we remain in the dark ages when it comes to this industry.
I worked in the US & the norm was references, names & numbers. Good idea IMO.
Being independent previously & currently doing phone/admin at this agency, I see the benefits provided here: safe location, support from other ladies, sure you pay agency fees but all you have to do is show up looking good! Everything else is done.
We also share our location with independent ladies.

I suggest a # that charges the caller by the minute? Would save billing hassles

some business thoughts

not a bad idea,

first, the need is not limited to this industry, many people get exposed from time to time to some random risks related to meetings. (real estate agent, remote showing of a property, home care nurses, etc.)

possibly a scheduled call in which ensures the party is ok, when the call is not incoming, it provokes a call from the call center, no answer, then a call followed by a visit.

the trick to this business is how do you provide enforcement of protection (what are you going to do in an emergency????)

if you call the police and you have a business living off the avails of..... you and your clients will be exposed (better to have a business which supports security in general to any industry sector)

employ a neighbourhood watch resonse prior to police action might be effective in some cases

perhaps you trigger their home alarm system for a security company response with police support

just some things to think about from a business minded person

summerbreeze said:

not a bad idea,

first, the need is not limited to this industry, many people get exposed from time to time to some random risks related to meetings. (real estate agent, remote showing of a property, home care nurses, etc.)

possibly a scheduled call in which ensures the party is ok, when the call is not incoming, it provokes a call from the call center, no answer, then a call followed by a visit.

the trick to this business is how do you provide enforcement of protection (what are you going to do in an emergency????)

if you call the police and you have a business living off the avails of..... you and your clients will be exposed (better to have a business which supports security in general to any industry sector)

employ a neighbourhood watch resonse prior to police action might be effective in some cases

perhaps you trigger their home alarm system for a security company response with police support

just some things to think about from a business minded person

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While I think your opinions are valid I have to challenge your statement of 'living of the avails'

Our industry is not looked down on by the majority of the police force, like it use to be. (humanity is different for different perosnalities, and I am only speaking as a whole - each police officer is different) I believe because of Picton and the likes of him, there isn't a police force in this country that would bring charges against a company that wanted to keep us girls safe from the likes of the Pictons out there.

If this was set up as a charge by the minute phone system the rates would have to be minimual for anyone of us girls to use it continuely. It would be wise to think Big, what I mean by 'big' would be volume verses occational.

It's a good idea Nadia - keep thinking the details will come to you, and you'll sort it out.

Actually my thoughts regarding spreading out the customer base was a business risk consideration, it had nothing to do with personal opinions on what individual police think or current enforcement priorities.

In business you just want to minimize any risk associated with your revenue streams.

I think it would be to everyone's benefit to have some discrete system which kept everyone safe.

Hi Nadia,

I would recommend a subscription not unlike a message center, doctors on call pay for and a small per call fee if the user goes over the minimum allotted in the subscription.

Subscriptions would renew by credit card each month and be paid in advance.

You also might want to consider sms as a communications option since most people have a cell phone with them.

Back on topic please...as it is an important topic

I am not convinced that a call-in system would filter out the bad clients. Escort agencies use this system of calling-in and calling-out and girls still sometimes have bad dates. Here is an example where a call-in system failed to prevent a girl from being attacked by a client:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=76382&highlight=calgary+attack

This guy was obviously aware of the call-in system - it did not act as a deterrent. All he did was wait until the girl called-in, and then took advantage of her. It cannot be stressed enough that the call-in system did not filter out this bad client.

To truly prevent these things from happening the actions should be retroactive. The real goal should be preventing bad clients from getting a date with a lady in the first place. This can only be done by verifying the legitimacy of the client BEFORE he is at the hotel or residence.

The solution is in ensuring that all gentlemen that ladies see have been verified by either a recognizable escort or an independent third party.

Nadia, this is the avenue that you should explore as a business venture. You could start a database of verifiable clients (charging them a nominal fee) that could be used by escorts working in Canada. Most verifiable databases are U.S. based - being Canadian could be your market niche.

I must stress again that a call-in system is pointless if the bad clients can still get to the residence or hotel that the escort is in. This should be prevented BEFORE they get there.

I am surprised that in a city that has had two working girls murdered, Pickton`s murders, and now your attack, has not already established a verifiable system to protect girls. If Vancouver is a site in which violence occasionally happens, then the system of working needs to change.

leelee said:

Nadia, this is the avenue that you should explore as a business venture. You could start a database of verifiable clients (charging them a nominal fee) that could be used by escorts working in Canada. Most verifiable databases are U.S. based - being Canadian could be your market niche.

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While the the idea has merits, any system that charges the customers an additional fee won't be viable unless you get 100% participation by SP's. Most pooners would balk (me included) at the idea of paying a fee to be on a list. I would stick with my current regulars who know me are see and if they said they wouldn't see me unless I was on the list, I would find SP who doesn't use the list to screen clients.

Aeiyah said:

While the the idea has merits, any system that charges the customers an additional fee won't be viable unless you get 100% participation by SP's. Most pooners would balk (me included) at the idea of paying a fee to be on a list. I would stick with my current regulars who know me are see and if they said they wouldn't see me unless I was on the list, I would find SP who doesn't use the list to screen clients.

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Well, in the US it works even without 100% participation and it got started somehow, didn't it?

http://www.preferred411.com/
http://www.date-check.com/
http://www.roomservice2000.com/

Perhaps, getting in touch with the people who run those services asking about their experiences could be a useful step.

Thais said:

Well, in the US it works even without 100% participation and it got started somehow, didn't it?

http://www.preferred411.com/
http://www.date-check.com/
http://www.roomservice2000.com/

Perhaps, getting in touch with the people who run those services asking about their experiences could be a useful step.

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I agree, with more research into this idea I would be open and supportive to using and paying for a service like this. Safty first! right ladies?

Keep up the good work Nadia I think your headed in the right direction.

Thais said:

Well, in the US it works even without 100% participation and it got started somehow, didn't it?

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The difference though is in the U.S., it's a service that benefits both the pooner and the SP. Because prostitution is illegal in the U.S., the pooner is getting the protection that a number that he gets from the list isn't law enforcement setting up to entrap him. In Canada we don't have the problem of LE posing as escorts to trap would be buyers of sex.

Get a gun license like I did.

I went n got a gun license. I have them in different locations and in anyone even though of it i wouldn't think twice to pop a cap right in his ****ing head!

I have taken several years in combat fighting and disarming of weapons which is also better than nothing. There are many places you can take courses for that. Also try to work out of a bulding like the one I'm in. I NEVER give my address until they are at a cross street and give me a landmark proving they are there.

Then when they come to the front door of the looby I can see them on camera and I have it recorded as well as the front office as well. I do NOT give out the buzzer code until they have removed hat and sunglasses and looked directly into the camera then I give them the code n buzz them in.

This is too make sure they come in the building ALONE then I dont give them the unit # until I have seen that they have entered the elevator aloe on camera.

Safety! Safety! Safety! Obviously you dont want camera in your place filming you and your client but voice activated mics are good. I have done this in the past and had it rigged to another unit in the same appt so that if the client tries assualting me that my contact in the other unit will hear that I'm in trouble and be able to come right in and protect me without the client even knowing it. It saved my life once cause my bodygaurd came in quitly from the other apt unit and snuck up on him from behind and pulled him off of me.

You can always make sure a neighbor or friend in another unit is recording on camera all the clients comming in and out of the builoding that day too in case the client tries to steal your tape.

Always be 10 steps ahead.

try this too

erotic_exotica said:

I agree, with more research into this idea I would be open and supportive to using and paying for a service like this. Safty first! right ladies?

Keep up the good work Nadia I think your headed in the right direction.

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you can also call a girlfriend and tell her your going into session and if your not out in a certain time to notify the proper authorities

Great suggestion

As an add-on - if you were to use some technology and passcodes, you could automate most of the process so that live operators were not required which would lower the cost of the service.

Aeiyah said:

While the the idea has merits, any system that charges the customers an additional fee won't be viable unless you get 100% participation by SP's. Most pooners would balk (me included) at the idea of paying a fee to be on a list. I would stick with my current regulars who know me are see and if they said they wouldn't see me unless I was on the list, I would find SP who doesn't use the list to screen clients.

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Aeyiah: I think that considering the recent circumstances most gentleman would be willing to pay a one-time fee to ensure that a violent rape and assault does not happen to another lady in Vancouver.

However, I really think we should generate lots of different ideas about security...

Since Nadia started this thread it is obvious that she has realized that her current system for screening clients did not work. Considering it is a system that is used by many sps in Vancouver then security as a whole needs to be addressed.

I made one suggestion - maybe its the right one...maybe it is not. I would love to hear other people's rational suggestions on this topic.

To be honest, I am disappointed that the revelation of Nadia's assault has not prompted more girls to consider ideas for better security. Reading posts on this and another board revealed that two different girls have admitted to also having guns put to their heads while working in this business.

Why is it that we only talk about the violence in this business, yet do nothing to prevent it from happening again.

The outpouring of sympathy towards Nadia is admirable, but should be reinforced with preventative measures. If it is not then we have only paid lip service to her tragedy and the legacy of her assault could result in another Honey or Nicole. I certainly would not want that on my conscience.

Because telling an sp how to run their businesses is like telling a mom how to raise her kids. And there's a whole lotta Britney's out there enabled by the quick fix of the next trick or more often, just hanging around with bad boyfriends.

leelee said:

To be honest, I am disappointed that the revelation of Nadia's assault has not prompted more girls to consider ideas for better security.

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