glad to see they didn't need to kill him with a taser, a broken hip was good enough..

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Maple Ridge, B.C. - On Sunday November 18. 2007, Ridge Meadows R.C.M.P. encountered a male who had to be forcibly taken into custody.
At approximately 12:30 a.m. police were alerted to an intoxicated man and a young child, who did not have any pants on, in the 22300 block of Lougheed Highway, Maple Ridge, B.C. Members from the General Duty section were directed to a local liquor establishment where the man and child had been dropped off. Police located both the young child and the man, who is the child’s father, inside the bar. In trying to do an investigation, the man obstructed the police officers, and he was placed under arrest. The man, who was intoxicated, immediately became resistant, and had to be forcibly taken into custody after displaying combative behavior. "At no time did we use pepper spray, or a taser," said police spokesperson, Corporal Ryan Schlecker. The behavior continued when he was placed in the back seat of the police car and continued back to the police detachment. The man refused to exit the police vehicle, and tried to damage it. Eventually he was taken out, and placed in a jail cell. Police later contacted a family member, that was agreeable with the Ministry of Child and Family Development, who attended to pick up the child.
After the male was placed in cells, it was learned that there was an outstanding warrant for the man, and he was remanded in custody by a Justice.
Later on Sunday November 18, 2007, the man complained of some pain in his back, so police arranged for him to be examined by members of the B.C. Ambulance Service, who took the man to Ridge Meadows Hospital. At the hospital, x-rays revealed the man had a broken hip, so police made arrangements for the man to be released to the care of the hospital. The man will have to appear at a later date to answer to the charge of Obstructing a Peace Officer.
Corporal Ryan Schlecker further stated, "This entire incident is under investigation. Our Serious Crimes Unit is examining all of the details to determine what happened. I encourage anyone who has any information, or witnessed this incident to contact Ridge Meadows R.C.M.P. at 604 463-6251. Our office will not be able to speak further on this matter until this investigation is complete."
 

sarahpassion

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Too bad....

A man was tasered and died this morning in Halifax. I guess he would have been lucky to have gotten away with a broken hip!

I once saw a VPD tackle a man with a cast on from behind! The man was walking down the street, and had no idea it was coming. As long as the police force continues to investigate it's own officers, nothing will change.

http://communities.canada.com/natio...n-man-who-died-a-day-after-being-tasered.aspx
 

Pantherdash

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:mad: Fuck off!
Exactly Chatter! Fuck you all who are jumping on the media bandwagon and claiming the police are at fault for the recent spike in in-custody deaths. Do you dudes have ANY IDEA what the police have had to deal with in Vancouver, let alone the R.O.Canada in the last few months!?!?? Probably not!

Organized crime is a LITTLE on the rise, but the media is making it out like it's out of control. Trust your little brains to realize the difference, my little fellow ugly moronic pooners, and this includes the expert seeksteadysp.

Panther
 

hunsperger

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Exactly Chatter! Fuck you all who are jumping on the media bandwagon and claiming the police are at fault for the recent spike in in-custody deaths. Do you dudes have ANY IDEA what the police have had to deal with in Vancouver, let alone the R.O.Canada in the last few months!?!?? Probably not!

Organized crime is a LITTLE on the rise, but the media is making it out like it's out of control. Trust your little brains to realize the difference, my little fellow ugly moronic pooners, and this includes the expert seeksteadysp.

Panther
good post panther...

couldn't agree with you more...

the media is pathetic and they pander to the lowest common denominator...

this won't go away until they are distracted by another significant issue like britney spears flashing her crotch...

or sydney crosby coming to town...
 
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ma1234

I am not sure if I feel sorry for a drunken rowdy who takes his kid to the pub, but I sure feel sorry for the Polish immigrant
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hunsperger

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I am not sure if I feel sorry for a drunken rowdy who takes his kid to the pub, but I sure feel sorry for the Polish immigrant
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i agree...

but what i think panther is saying is when police go into a situation they have to make a split second decision regarding the rowdy drunk or the rowdy polish immigrant...

bad things can happen if somebody is rowdy...

hindsight is always 20/20...

and the media is officially pandering...

just as an aside, the rowdy drunk was found guilty, but the time he spent in custody before his trial counts as double time towards his sentence...:rolleyes:

what a joke...

i would have rather seen him take a taser through the heart...

the rowdy polish immigrant is dead and that is a tragedy...

the rowdy drunk is still alive and that is also a tragedy...

life is so unfair...
 

JustAGuy

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just as an aside, the rowdy drunk was found guilty, but the time he spent in custody before his trial counts as double time towards his sentence...:rolleyes:

what a joke...

i would have rather seen him take a taser through the heart...

the rowdy polish immigrant is dead and that is a tragedy...

the rowdy drunk is still alive and that is also a tragedy...

life is so unfair...
Indeed! I absolutely agree that all rowdy drunks should be KILLED. :eek: And when I engineer my coup and take over the government of Canada, I will also implement severe penalties to be imposed upon internet posters with whom I disagree. :rolleyes:
 

hunsperger

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Indeed! I absolutely agree that all rowdy drunks should be KILLED. :eek: And when I engineer my coup and take over the government of Canada, I will also implement severe penalties to be imposed upon internet posters with whom I disagree. :rolleyes:
my sense is he doesn't know the full story...
 
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gigidy gigidy

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HHmmm? the people that whine that someone gets roughed up,hurt or unfortunately even killed by the police, well sorry. Police have to make a split second decision as mentioned, yes bad things can happen and that is a shame, even worse things could happen if some of these measures aren't taken.

I have heard people whine that police at times aren't hard enough on some jackass who did some injustice as well.

So you will always have those people upset that the police did or did not do enough, you can't please everybody.

The police are here to protect the public and enforce the law. When someone(s) obstructs this or is being investigated, let the police do their job. Being irritated, aggressive or plain ignorant could cost you your life, it is serious and people should accept the police are justified in their actions, not saying wrong doing has never occured.

These fatal tazerings, or injuries suffered would be greatly reduced if those in handcuffs or in the process would act appropriately, they cause the problem.

Side note, if anyone saw the news this summer about the police using pepper spray on Natives on the Sunshine Coast, the Natives did it to themselves, causing a riot and rushing the officers. Police are made out to be the bad guys, what a joke! Natives all cried fowl, they put themselves in the situation and should deal with it. Lets be thankful nobody was clubbed or shot, that can happen.
 

Krustee

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Exactly Chatter! Fuck you all who are jumping on the media bandwagon and claiming the police are at fault for the recent spike in in-custody deaths. Do you dudes have ANY IDEA what the police have had to deal with in Vancouver, let alone the R.O.Canada in the last few months!?!?? Probably not!

Organized crime is a LITTLE on the rise, but the media is making it out like it's out of control. Trust your little brains to realize the difference, my little fellow ugly moronic pooners, and this includes the expert seeksteadysp.

Panther
Ya know, you two epitomise the types of power hungry testosterone junkies that are exactly what has the cops & RCMP in trouble right now.

I've stated my affiliation before with cops & I strongly suspect that Panther is one or in some way related with law enforcement.

No matter how much you two try to spin the cops as selfless heroes I can assure you they just do their job & a rare few of them actually have the character & heart to do the right thing in spite of the prevailing culture of their occupation.

Sadly one of the most realistic shows I've seen on TV would be the Shield. Yes that's right, there actually are cops on the take & those who bend the law to suit their needs.
How can I say this you ask? Because I've witnessed it.

Time for people, including cops, to start practicing personal responsibility. Doing the right thing means resisting the temptation to take advantage of a situation.
Character, more specifically good character, is demonstrated by doing the right thing even if it costs you money. It is shown by being honest & having sincere concern for others.

It is not shown by arresting someone & taking all the cash they have. It is not shown by using your position to take advantage of others.

We have LE who have made a habit of taking criminals money, drugs, extortion, getting freebies from escorts by threatening to arrest them.


HHmmm? Police have to make a split second decision as mentioned, yes bad things can happen and that is a shame, even worse things could happen if some of these measures aren't taken.
This is a comment of pure naivety.
Have you listened to the video of the Dziekanski attack?
The RCMP can clearly be heard to decide to use the tazer BEFORE they even attempted to communicate with Dziekanski.


The police are here to protect the public and enforce the law.
Now the hi-lited above is totally correct!
The problem is that there are too many cops who take the law & make it fit their agenda or even worse they do what they want & package it in a law enforcement wrapper.

Keep in mind that LE works for US, we pay their salaries & they are supposed to enforce the laws that have been legislated through the MP's & MLA's we put in office.


... people should accept the police are justified in their actions, not saying wrong doing has never occured.
WHAT???

NO!!! - Remember THEY work for US!
IF there is a perception or suspicion that the LE has overstepped their authority it must be investigated.

There should not be anybody above the law!

These fatal tazerings, or injuries suffered would be greatly reduced if those in handcuffs or in the process would act appropriately, they cause the problem.
Do you really believe what you are saying here?

Case in point, Dziekanski, did not speak english, he was left in the Customs entry area for approx. 10 hours.
Dziekanski's mother was seeking information on where to locate her son to meet him & was given inadequate help.
There was a polish speaking representative on site while Dziekanski was in the Customs entry arrival area & that person was not sent to assist.

Dziekanski most likey had some sort of disorder or condition that caused him to react the way he did.

After being left for ten hours in that area not knowing anybody or able to speak to anyone in my language I would be upset too.

Finally, the RCMP spent 24 seconds in front of Dziekanski before tasering him, is that enough time in your opinion?

From the video I saw there was hardly an attempt to console or even assess the situation.

What I do know is they decided taser use BEFORE they assessed him in person.

Absolutely irresponsible & I think the courts will find criminal behaviour on part of the RCMP officers.


A man was tasered and died this morning in Halifax. I guess he would have been lucky to have gotten away with a broken hip!

I once saw a VPD tackle a man with a cast on from behind! The man was walking down the street, and had no idea it was coming. As long as the police force continues to investigate it's own officers, nothing will change.

http://communities.canada.com/natio...n-man-who-died-a-day-after-being-tasered.aspx
None of this is surprising.
:rolleyes:
 

smackyo

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Ya know, you two epitomise the types of power hungry testosterone junkies that are exactly what has the cops & RCMP in trouble right now.

I've stated my affiliation before with cops & I strongly suspect that Panther is one or in some way related with law enforcement.

No matter how much you two try to spin the cops as selfless heroes I can assure you they just do their job & a rare few of them actually have the character & heart to do the right thing in spite of the prevailing culture of their occupation.

Sadly one of the most realistic shows I've seen on TV would be the Shield. Yes that's right, there actually are cops on the take & those who bend the law to suit their needs.
How can I say this you ask? Because I've witnessed it.

Time for people, including cops, to start practicing personal responsibility. Doing the right thing means resisting the temptation to take advantage of a situation.
Character, more specifically good character, is demonstrated by doing the right thing even if it costs you money. It is shown by being honest & having sincere concern for others.

It is not shown by arresting someone & taking all the cash they have. It is not shown by using your position to take advantage of others.

We have LE who have made a habit of taking criminals money, drugs, extortion, getting freebies from escorts by threatening to arrest them.



This is a comment of pure naivety.
Have you listened to the video of the Dziekanski attack?
The RCMP can clearly be heard to decide to use the tazer BEFORE they even attempted to communicate with Dziekanski.



Now the hi-lited above is totally correct!
The problem is that there are too many cops who take the law & make it fit their agenda or even worse they do what they want & package it in a law enforcement wrapper.

Keep in mind that LE works for US, we pay their salaries & they are supposed to enforce the laws that have been legislated through the MP's & MLA's we put in office.



WHAT???

NO!!! - Remember THEY work for US!
IF there is a perception or suspicion that the LE has overstepped their authority it must be investigated.

There should not be anybody above the law!



Do you really believe what you are saying here?

Case in point, Dziekanski, did not speak english, he was left in the Customs entry area for approx. 10 hours.
Dziekanski's mother was seeking information on where to locate her son to meet him & was given inadequate help.
There was a polish speaking representative on site while Dziekanski was in the Customs entry arrival area & that person was not sent to assist.

Dziekanski most likey had some sort of disorder or condition that caused him to react the way he did.

After being left for ten hours in that area not knowing anybody or able to speak to anyone in my language I would be upset too.

Finally, the RCMP spent 24 seconds in front of Dziekanski before tasering him, is that enough time in your opinion?

From the video I saw there was hardly an attempt to console or even asses the situation.

What I do know is they decided taser use BEFORE they assessed him in person.

Absolutely irresponsible & I think the courts will find criminal behaviour on part of the RCMP officers.



None of this is surprising.
wow finally someone else with a brain. also i'm with you, pantherdash is a cop.
 

gigidy gigidy

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OK, well i did not look into the case as in depth as others here, for that maybe my comments should not have been made. I did not know half of what was explained to me just now prior.

I guess my point, perhaps not one at all is i know alot of people in law enforcement. Which doesn't mean a whole lot. Just from what i hear, i was trying to say alot goes bad that people jump on the police for, and sometimes it could have been alot worse if the police hadn't acted that way.

Regarding Dziekanski, well i haven't followed the case. I take your word for that one.

Maybe justified, i just think the police are getting jumped on here and now all we will hear about is if someone breaks a nail while in custody, the media will be all over it and people will cry foul.

When these terrible things happen, it is unfortunate and i believe outside investigators should look into it. However when these things happen the media, public will take something not even close and call it the same injustices by the police.

For the record, i always believe what i say, maybe 10 minutes later i will wonder what the hell i just said, but we all have flaws. Im a rambler.
 

Randy Whorewald

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From my read of this story it seems the drunkard resisted the police several times while enroute to the station. It is not easy to handle that type of situation without the drunkard or the police (or both) sustaining absolutely no injury.
 

hunsperger

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OK, well i did not look into the case as in depth as others here, for that maybe my comments should not have been made. I did not know half of what was explained to me just now prior.

I guess my point, perhaps not one at all is i know alot of people in law enforcement. Which doesn't mean a whole lot. Just from what i hear, i was trying to say alot goes bad that people jump on the police for, and sometimes it could have been alot worse if the police hadn't acted that way.

Regarding Dziekanski, well i haven't followed the case. I take your word for that one.

Maybe justified, i just think the police are getting jumped on here and now all we will hear about is if someone breaks a nail while in custody, the media will be all over it and people will cry foul.

When these terrible things happen, it is unfortunate and i believe outside investigators should look into it. However when these things happen the media, public will take something not even close and call it the same injustices by the police.

For the record, i always believe what i say, maybe 10 minutes later i will wonder what the hell i just said, but we all have flaws. Im a rambler.
actually i find your point of view to balanced and reasoned...

and most importantly free of histrionics...

i believe smackyo and krustee are making some massive generalizations...

yes cops aren't perfect, but neither are judges, lawyers, doctors and teachers to name a few professions...

and i am sure there are a few in those professions who are on the take in some shape or form...

let's keep some perspective...
 
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ma1234

yes cops aren't perfect, but neither are judges, lawyers, doctors and teachers to name a few professions...
And so weren't perfect the soldiers in Abu Ghraib.

If you have the power to take away people's lives I WANT YOU TO BE AS CLOSE TO PERFECT AS POSSIBLE!!!!
 

classycarly

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yes cops aren't perfect, but neither are judges, lawyers, doctors and teachers to name a few professions...

and i am sure there are a few in those professions who are on the take in some shape or form...let's keep some perspective...
I do not as a general rule, like police officers. They have a mentality, not unlike the military mentality, that I just can't get with. I don't trust them because it is in their job description to lie and I have seen their actions first hand but we can't paint them all with the same brush. I'm pretty sure there are a few good ones out there, ( I have yet to meet them) The whole world is on the take....lawyers, judges, cops, teachers, road test examiners, bankers, politicians, business men, building inspectors, customs officers, prison guards, churches, Joe Q down the block.........., I think society in general is becoming very morally bankrupt. The "old Guard" is falling off and the young are growing up and are assuming the positions. Honesty, integrity, loyalty, hard work and doing something for the right reason is a dying way everywhere. In the last 30 years, a large % of kids are not being raised the way they were before, coming from bad (or no) parenting, shitty school system, untreated mental illness\behaviour issues, rampant and easy access to drugs, adults around them always doing the wrong thing etc....., it's no wonder when they grow up and get jobs in the real world they are selfish, corrupt, (both mentally and job wise), sub- conciously angry, and they do things that are bad, selfish, destructive, criminal et al.........because that's what society has shown them is acceptable. Yes, there were bad cops, teachers, lawyers etc......30+ years ago but they are the ones who had the kids who have now grown up.;) and there weren't nearly as many as now because society was more stable back then.

I think the reason we hold police up to a higher standard is because they are here to UPHOLD the law, To Serve and Protect, and to be above the rest of society as some of the leaders of setting the morality that our society really needs, and when they screw up, behave like criminals themselves, get trigger-happy, (or these days stun-happy), we are very let down, because these people have preached the moral code to us, but appear to not feel the need to follow it themselves. At this point, they have, in their own minds anyway, put themselves ABOVE the law, ABOVE the moral restrictions of society and ABOVE any consequences of their actions. Then, sometimes, even when the matter comes to light, the consequences are much more minimal than they would have been for someone who was not a police officer, because they have used their connections, contacts, pull etc.... to either cover up or at the very least, mitigate their involvement in the situation. I'm not sure who said it, but I once heard, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

We should be allowed to hold our police, teachers, clergy, coaches and all others in a position of trust to a higher standard, and I believe they know when entering their chosen career, that they will be held up to higher standards, therefore they should behave accordingly with honor, integrity and accountability. However....with that being said......, when we start to raise our children better, we will have better adults. I have said time and again over the years, the messed up children of today will be the messed up adults controlling tomorrow if we don't change now. Everyone always laughed at me when I said that, but look around you.......so many now grown up....so many messed up, and now that they are older and have more power.......dangerous, especially in a job such as a police officer where weapons are handed out.
 

hunsperger

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And so weren't perfect the soldiers in Abu Ghraib.

If you have the power to take away people's lives I WANT YOU TO BE AS CLOSE TO PERFECT AS POSSIBLE!!!!
please define close to perfect...

if you so desire, please name five people on this planet who are close to perfect...

i don't expect soldiers to be perfect either...

if a group of soldiers screw up does that mean all soldiers are to be questioned...

btw classycarly thank you for your point of view...

i don't agree with everything you said but you said it in a nice civil manner without being on the attack...
 
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