The Only Thing Necessary for Evil to triumph Is for Good Men to do Nothing.

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Human history is filled with truly evil men, like Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and a list far too long for this thread, who are responsible for some of the worst attrocities imaginable. Sometimes, I feel that there is no hope for humanity and we should just nuke everthing and let the cock roaches take over to see if they can evolve into better beings.

But then you hear about men and women who know in their hearts that something is just wrong and are willing take a stand and in many cases giving their lives for what is right.

I would like to start this thread in honor of those that have taken a stand against evil and in many cases sacrificed their lives for what is right. Here are some of the truly heroic people who have made a difference.

As a final thought, we should ask are selves if we were in the position of these poeple, could we do what they did, would we have the courage to do the what is right and honourable even to the point of givng one life for that purpose?
 
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The first man I would like to honour was a high-ranking Nazi official. Yup, you read it correctly a "NAZI". But I think he has exhonorated himself in the eyes of which ever god or higher being exists. It's Buddha by the way.

The man is John Rabe, AKA 'The Good Nazi', AKA 'The Good Man of Nanking', AKA 'The Living Buddha of Nanking'.



"On November 22, 1937, as the Imperial Japanese Army advanced on Nanjing, Rabe, along with other foreign nationals, organized the International Committee and drew up Nanjing Safety Zone to provide Chinese refugees with food and shelter upon the impending Japanese slaughter. He explained his reasons thus: "..there is a question of morality here.. I cannot bring myself for now to betray the trust these people have put in me, and it is touching to see how they believe in me." The zones were located on all of the foreign embassies and at Nanjing University. Rabe also opened up his properties to help 650 more refugees. The following massacre would allegedly kill hundreds of thousands of people, while Rabe and his zone administrators tried frantically to stop the atrocities. Although he tried to appeal to the Japanese by using his Nazi membership credentials, this had little effect."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe

http://www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/rabe.html
 

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Interesting selection.

I'd like to take your quote and take it in another direction. It's about the evil that men do for the sake of money.

10 years ago we had an entire industry denying that tobacco caused cancer and that second hand smoke was dangerous. They would hire pr firms and "experts" to promote their crys of innocence. In fact I remember quite clearly the congressional meetings where the CEO's and Presidents of these companies would raise their right hand and swear on a stack of bibles that smoking could not be linked to cancer.

The public being what it is, would of course be like little lemmings and buy into this garbage. (Kind of like Bush saying there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.)

The problem is that men with money pay other men to put spins on things so that we the ever gullible public will buy it hook, line and sinker.

The oil and gas industry is doing it to us right now. Pay some foundations, funnel the money used to "grease the wheels" so called "experts" and get your experts to "deny deny deny." and come up with their "own" studies.

Seems if you pay people enough, they will say anything.

When will we ever learn the lessons taught to us by big tabacco companies...yes it is very hard to link tabacco smoke with being a cause of cancer, but I never once had a doubt that two were linked.

A really disgusting time in corporate America's history....

History seems to be repeating itself.
 

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I Have a Dream

Here is another person I admire for his courage to fight for what is right and just.



"Martin Luther King, Jr. (January 15, 1929–April 4, 1968), was one of the main leaders of the American civil rights movement. A Baptist minister by training, King became a civil rights activist early in his career, leading the Montgomery Bus Boycott and helping to found the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. His efforts led to the 1963 March on Washington, where King delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech, raising public consciousness of the civil rights movement and establishing King as one of the greatest orators in American history. In 1964, King became the youngest person to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end segregation and racial discrimination through civil disobedience and other non-violent means."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.
 

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Rosa Parks!


"On December 1, 1955, Parks became famous for refusing to obey bus driver James Blake's order that she give up her seat to make room for a white passenger. This action of civil disobedience started the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which is one of the largest movements against racial segregation. In addition, this launched Martin Luther King, Jr., who was involved with the boycott, to prominence in the civil rights movement. She has had a lasting legacy worldwide."

She is a perfect example of how one courages individual can inspire and motivate many more others. Joining in the fight for rightousness when there are others is good but being the first to take a stand takes true courage.
 
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The situations mentioned are not always as simple as "doing something" and "doing nothing".

To reduce events to simplistic "either/or" choices is nothing more than 20/20 hindsight.
 

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I was a big fan of Cory Aquino, bloodless coup and all that

I'm afraid for Benazir Bhutto. I think she will be assasinated.:mad:
 

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The situations mentioned are not always as simple as "doing something" and "doing nothing".

To reduce events to simplistic "either/or" choices is nothing more than 20/20 hindsight.

Courage and Character.

In the moment of acting with courage we are simply doing what we feel is innately right - even when it flys in the face of everything that society or other people tell you.
 

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Courage and Character.

In the moment of acting with courage we are simply doing what we feel is innately right - even when it flys in the face of everything that society or other people tell you.
True.

But simplistic.

None of the original situations were caused by singular moments, actions, or inactions.

Rosa Parks is an inspirational historical figure. But it's also worth noting that she also didn't live under threat of the same brutality that dissidents in other countries faced for the type of action she courageously took.

All the brutal regimes - Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Mao....involved a multitude of complex factors and situations. To flippantly throw out the "great men do nothing" quote ignores the historical context.
 

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I'd vote for HH the Dalai Lama...



I think his record speaks for itself.

I think John Balance said it very well "Constant Shallowness Leads to Evil."

BTW I thought that first post about the German diplomat was brilliant.

In case anyone is feeling a bit downhearted about all of this click here.
 
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True.

But simplistic.

None of the original situations were caused by singular moments, actions, or inactions.

Rosa Parks is an inspirational historical figure. But it's also worth noting that she also didn't live under threat of the same brutality that dissidents in other countries faced for the type of action she courageously took.

All the brutal regimes - Hitler, Stalin, Amin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Mao....involved a multitude of complex factors and situations. To flippantly throw out the "great men do nothing" quote ignores the historical context.

Yes, simplistic, eloquent and very true.

I never said any of those situations were caused by any single moments, actions or inactions.

But it doesn't make the quote any less relevant or true.

"Good" often ignores the ways of "evil" because of it's own self-interest, fear, ignorance, arrogaance, etc... etc...

The quote doesn't say one good - it can be and most often times is "many goods" that sit idley by and does nothing.

Hitler was "allowed" to do what he did, because "good" men sat on the sidelines hoping to appease him. Britain, France, the US and many other powers simply tried to appease Hitler to disasterous results.

In fact the Americans didn't even get involved in the 2nd World War until the Japaneese bombed Pearl Harbour.

On the 27th of February 1933 the German Reichstag was destroyed by fire. Which set forth a series of events that can only be considered comical. It certainly proves that "good" men can and will sit idely by, while letting evil have its way.

The Enabling Act allowed the powers of legislation to be taken away from the Reichstag and transferred to Hitler's cabinet for a period of four years. The act required a two-thirds majority, but passed easily with the support of the Center and Nationalist parties of that time.

This allowed Hitler to become the defacto dictator of Germany - and it was all done quite legally!

In fact there are a whole host of examples of "good" men sitting idely by that allowed Hitler to come to power and do the evil he did. And most of them glaring red red flags.

But I only listed only 2 examples of "good" men sitting idely by for brevity sake....

"The Only Thing Necessary for Evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

It doesn't matter the reasons why the "good" men did nothing, all that matters is that they didn't.
 
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Helen Suzman, anti-apartheid leader, dies at 91

http://http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/01/africa/suzman.php

"Helen Suzman, the internationally known anti-apartheid campaigner who befriended the imprisoned Nelson Mandela and offered an often lonely voice for change among South Africa's white minority, died on Thursday, a family member said.. She was 91."

A truly remarkable woman.
 

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I think his record speaks for itself.
Some interesting insights into the Dalai Lama:

The Dalai Lama's hidden past

25 September 1996

Comment by Norm Dixon

Most solidarity and environmental groups supporting the Tibetan people's cause have not questioned the Dalai Lama's role in Tibetan history or addressed what it would mean for the Tibetan people if the Dalai Lama and his coterie returned to power.

A 1995 document distributed by the Dalai Lama's Office of Tibet aggressively states that ``China tries to justify its occupation and repressive rule of Tibet by pretending that it `liberated' Tibetan society from `medieval feudal serfdom' and `slavery'. Beijing trots out this myth to counter every international pressure to review its repressive policies in Tibet.'' It then coyly concedes: ``Traditional Tibetan society was by no means perfect ... However, it was not as bad as China would have us believe.''

Was this a myth? Tibet's Buddhist monastic nobility controlled all land on behalf of the ``gods''. They monopolised the country's wealth by exacting tribute and labour services from peasants and herders. This system was similar to how the medieval Catholic Church exploited peasants in feudal Europe.

Tibetan peasants and herders had little personal freedom. Without the permission of the priests, or lamas, they could not do anything. They were considered appendages to the monastery. The peasantry lived in dire poverty while enormous wealth accumulated in the monasteries and in the Dalai Lama's palace in Lhasa.

In 1956 the Dalai Lama, fearing that the Chinese government would soon move on Lhasa, issued an appeal for gold and jewels to construct another throne for himself. This, he argued, would help rid Tibet of ``bad omens''. One hundred and twenty tons were collected. When the Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, he was preceded by more than 60 tons of treasure.

Romantic notions about the ``peaceful'' and ``harmonious'' nature of Tibetan Buddhist monastic life should be tested against reality. The Lithang Monastery in eastern Tibet was where a major rebellion against Chinese rule erupted in 1956. Beijing tried to levy taxes on its trade and wealth. The monastery housed 5000 monks and operated 113 ``satellite'' monasteries, all supported by the labour of the peasants.

Chris Mullin, writing in the Far Eastern Economic Review in 1975, described Lithang's monks as ``not monks in the Western sense ... many were involved in private trade; some carried guns and spent much of their time violently feuding with rival monasteries. One former citizen describes Lithang as `like the Wild West'.''

The Tibetan ``government'' in Lhasa was composed of lamas selected for their religious piety. At the head of this theocracy was the Dalai Lama. The concepts democracy, human rights or universal education were unknown.

The Dalai Lama and the majority of the elite agreed to give away Tibet's de facto independence in 1950 once they were assured by Beijing their exploitative system would be maintained. Nine years later, only when they felt their privileges were threatened, did they revolt. Suddenly the words ``democracy'' and ``human rights'' entered the vocabulary of the government-in-exile, operating out of Dharamsala in India ever since.

Dharamsala and the Dalai Lama's commitment to democracy seems weak. An Office of Tibet document claims ``soon after His Holiness the Dalai Lama's arrival in India, he re-established the Tibetan Government in exile, based on modern democratic principles''. Yet it took more than 30 years for an Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies to be directly elected from among the 130,000 exiles. Of 46 assembly members, only 30 are elected. The other 16 are appointed by religious authorities or directly by the Dalai Lama.

All assembly decisions must be approved by the Dalai Lama, whose sole claim to the status of head of state is that he has been selected by the gods. The separation of church and state is yet to be recognised by the Dalai Lama as a ``modern democratic principle''.

The right-wing nature of the Dalai Lama and the government-in-exile was further exposed by its relationship with the US CIA. The Dalai Lama concealed the CIA's role in the 1959 uprising until 1975.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/1996/248/13397
China is right about the Dalai Lama: he is a reactionary charlatan bent on secession from China and restoration of a clerical despotism in a vast area known as Greater Tibet. Not for nothing has he maintained lifelong relationships with a rogues gallery of Nazis, fascists, cult leaders, crackpots and con men. Not for nothing are several European secessionist movements--for example, the South Tyrolean Independence Movement that claims to represent German speaking northern Italians--backing the Dalai Lama.

Consider the following:

In Old Tibet the depraved Buddhist monastic nobility controlled all land and monopolised the country's wealth by exacting tribute and labor services from peasants and herders. This system of serfdom and outright slavery was similar to--but actually more brutal than--the way the medieval Catholic Church exploited peasants in feudal Europe.

Tibetan peasants and herders had little personal freedom. Considered appendages to the monastery, the peasantry lived in dire poverty while enormous wealth accumulated in the monasteries and in the Dalai Lama's palace in Lhasa.

Looted Tons of Gold

In 1956 the Dalai Lama conned his people. Fearing that the Chinese government would soon move on Lhasa, issued an appeal for gold and jewels to construct another throne for himself. This, he argued, would help rid Tibet of ``bad omens''. One hundred and twenty tons were collected. When the Dalai Lama fled to India in 1959, he was preceded by more than 60 tons of treasure.

The Lithang Monastery in eastern Tibet, where a major rebellion against Chinese rule erupted in 1956, illustrated the reality of Old tibet. Beijing tried to levy taxes on its trade and wealth. The monastery housed 5000 monks and operated 113 satellite monasteries, all supported by the labor of the peasants.

Monks With Guns

In fact, Lithang's monks were not monks in the Western sense. Many were involved in private trade; some carried guns and spent much of their time violently feuding with rival monasteries. Their activities were in tune with Tibet's hidden history of political murder and intrigue.

The so-called Tibetan government in Lhasa was composed of lamas selected for their religious piety. At the head of this theocracy was the Dalai Lama. Concepts of democracy, human rights and universal education were unknown.

Discovered Democracy

Believing they could maintain their exploitative system following Chinese liberation, the teenage Dalai Lama and the majority of the elite agreed to give up their despotic control of Tibet in 1950. But nine years later, when they felt their privileges were threatened, they revolted, suddenly discovering democracy'' and human rights.

After fleeing Tibet and landing in Dharamsala, it took the Dalai Lama and his crew more than 30 years to organize an Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies elected from among the 130,000 exiles. Most members are appointed by religious authorities or directly by the Dalai Lama.

http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2008/04/comment-china-is-right-about-dalai-lama.html
His Holiness The Dalai Lama comes to Australia... at a price

I find big concerts with the attendant evils of standing in queues while silently beseeching your bladder to ‘please hold it in a little longer,’ and waiting for transport at the end in a throng of inebriated youngsters just enough to put me off becoming a groupie of any kind to any form of rock star or performer.

However, when I heard that his Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama was coming to Australia, my heart did a little skip in my chest.

I do think some people are worth the indignity of crowd-congestion. I would sacrifice my aversion of the masses for but a handful of individuals and His Holiness is one of them. I have had an ongoing interest in Buddhism since my twenties. I buy books with the Dalai Lama’s face on them because he looks so loving and gentle, and I memorize some of his quotes, because he is wise and compassionate and has a way of saying things to make you feel like all the mountains you’ve been obsessing over are in reality, not even molehills. They’re just illusions of molehills. In fact, I would go so far as to say that one would have to be some kind of sick creepy individual not to love the Dalai Lama.

So with my mob-aphobia under control, and my heart clear and pure, I investigated what it would cost me to stand in a horde with other enlightenment-seekers, and listen to his Holiness speak his words.

What I discovered however, despite his lack of attachment to material goods, that an audience with the Dalai Lama is for the wealthy only. Tickets start at $350, but that is probably for right at the back where you can only see him on a massive screen. Really decent tickets are in the region of $800 each.

Now I am sure his Holiness does not organize his own speaking engagements. And I am equally sure he does not take any of the proceeds of such events to buy expensive after shaves and rolex watches. I am quite certain that some portion, if not all of the proceeds go towards the good people of Tibet and their struggle against the Chinese invasion, and I am all for contributing towards human rights causes.

However, I, within the mortal constraints of my income, simply cannot afford to be part of that audience. And I wonder, even as I accept that it is my karma not to see the Dalai Lama in person unless we say, accidentally brush past each other Westfield, whether it is right and fair that tickets should be so beyond the reach of the ordinary person. Shouldn’t perhaps the tickets be around $50, on a first-come-first-serve basis so that enthusiasm rather than wealth becomes the qualifying factor?
http://www.secretwritersbusiness.com/the-dalai-lama-comes-to-australia/
Wealthy but diplomatically isolated Taiwan has about 30,000 followers of Tibetan Buddhism. During his last visit they showered the Dalai Lama with some $500,000 in donations.

"For ordinary people, the Dalai Lama's visit has greater religious significance than political," says Hsu Szu-chien, a China policy adviser to President Chen's Democratic Progressive Party.

The Tibetan leader met with former Taiwan President Lee Tung-hui during his first visit to Taiwan in 1997.

A second trip planned for 1998 was called off due to strong opposition from Beijing.

He also turned down an invitation to Chen's inauguration on May 20 apparently to avoid causing trouble during the sensitive transition.

The Dalai Lama fled his Himalayan homeland after an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959, and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize three decades later for his peaceful campaign for Tibetan autonomy.
 

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Continued:

the curious karma of the Dalai Lama, part 2
In The Dhammapada, the Buddha says:

If a person does not harm any living being…
and does not kill or cause others to kill-
that person is a true spiritual practitioner.

Yet this is admitted on the Dalai Lama's web site:

His Holiness is not necessarily vegetarian.

The definition of "not necessarily" is in the Dalai Lama's claim, "In the early 1960s, I became a vegetarian, and for almost two years I remained a strict vegetarian. But then I developed hepatitis, and I returned to my previous diet; for a while it would be vegetarian one day, nonvegetarian the next."

Though he may have developed hepatitis, that's not a valid medical reason to keep eating meat. The simple truth is the Dalai Lama loves meat, as shown in this article from last year, Dalai Lama digs into veal, pheasant.

Does this make him a bad Buddhist? Buddhist cuisine notes:

Theravada Pali Canon records instances of Buddha eating meat which were specifically purchased for Buddha. This act was deliberately performed by the Buddha to demonstrate that if need be, a Buddhist can bend the rules in times of emergency or inconvenience. Obstinately observing vegetarianism or Buddhist rules in times when you cannot, conflicts with Mahayana philosophy because obstinacy or attachment for anything, is considered to be 执著 (zhizhuo) which will become an obstacle to nirvana or enlightenment. However even then, if one undertakes a vow to be a Buddhist vegetarian, one is expected to follow this vow until it is humanly impossible to continue one's vegetarian diet.

Acceptance of authenticity of the Pali Suttas differ within Mahayana sects and Mahayana sutras do not record Buddha eating meat. While no Mahayana sects consider Pali sutras to be inauthentic, Chinese Buddhist sects tend to consider this particular part of writing in Pali suttas to be false. Japanese Buddhist sects generally accept that Buddha ate meat.

Buddhist vegetarianism adds,

according to the Buddha in the Angulimaliya Sutra, since all beings share the same "Dhatu" (spiritual Principle or Essence) and are intimately related to one another, killing and eating other sentient creatures is tantamount to a form of self-killing and cannibalism. The sutras which inveigh against meat-eating include the Nirvana Sutra, the Shurangama Sutra, the Brahmajala Sutra, the Angulimaliya Sutra, the Mahamegha Sutra, and the Lankavatara Sutra, as well as the Buddha's comments on the negative karmic effects of meat consumption in the Karma Sutra. In the Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra, which presents itself as the final elucidatory and definitive Mahayana teachings of the Buddha on the very eve of his death, the Buddha states that "the eating of meat extinguishes the seed of Great Kindness", adding that all and every kind of meat and fish consumption (even of animals found already dead) is prohibited by him. He specifically rejects the idea that monks who go out begging and receive meat from a donor should eat it: ". . . it should be rejected . . . I say that even meat, fish, game, dried hooves and scraps of meat left over by others constitutes an infraction . . . I teach the harm arising from meat-eating." The Buddha also predicts in this sutra that later monks will "hold spurious writings to be the authentic Dharma" and will concoct their own sutras and falsely claim that the Buddha allows the eating of meat, whereas he says he does not. A long passage in the Lankavatara Sutra shows the Buddha speaking out very forcefully against meat consumption and unequivocally in favor of vegetarianism, since the eating of the flesh of fellow sentient beings is said by him to be incompatible with the compassion that a Bodhisattva should strive to cultivate. In several other Mahayana scriptures, too (e.g., the Mahayana jatakas), the Buddha is seen clearly to indicate that meat-eating is undesirable and karmically unwholesome.

Some Buddhists say it is all right to eat meat if you did not kill it. By this logic, no one should be held responsible for hiring assassins or ordering invasions. I've been a vegetarian since the early '90s. If someone as unenlighened as I can do that with ease, someone revered as a spiritual leader should be able to do it also.

Though the Dalai Lama may be a good person by the standards of those who love privilege, he's a strange hero for those who do not. The incarnation system of the Dalai Lamas is sexist and racist and based on nothing taught by the Buddha. The Buddha lived very simply, teaching peace and compassion. The Dalai Lamas lived as princes who were served by slaves. The current Dalai Lama has attracted many good people to his cause, but what is his cause? The best clue is in the full name of the Tibetan government-in-exile: the Central Tibetan Administration of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The Buddha never sought to rule a state.
http://tibetfaq.blogspot.com/2008/03/curious-karma-of-dalai-lama-part-2.html
 

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The Dalai Lama: a FAQ for the right

In 1959, a Time magazine article, The Three Precious Jewels, said about Tibetans:

About four-fifths of them work to support one-fifth, who are shut up in lamaseries. What little land is not owned by the monks belongs either to the Dalai Lama or to about 150 noble families.

From Peter Hessler’s Tibet Through Chinese Eyes:

From the Chinese perspective, Tibet has always been a part of China. ... An unbiased arbiter would find Tibetan arguments for independence more compelling than the Chinese version of history — but also, perhaps, would find that the Chinese have a stronger historical claim to Tibet than the United States does to much of the American West.

And:

When the Chinese speak of pre-1951 Tibet, they emphasize the shortcomings of the region’s feudal-theocratic government: life expectancy was thirty-six years; 95 percent of Tibetans were illiterate; 95 percent of the population was hereditary serfs and slaves owned by monasteries and nobles. ... The statistics about Tibetan illiteracy and life expectancy are accurate.

And:

One common misperception in Western reports is that these people are sent by the government: the image is of a tremendous Han civilian army arriving to overwhelm Tibetan culture. The truth is that the government has little control over the situation. “How do you cut off the people moving out there?” asked one American who had spent much time in Tibet. “What mechanism are you going to have to prevent that? They don’t have any restrictions on internal travel — and we always beat them over the head about not having those, because to institute them would be a human-rights issue.”

A Washington Post article, In Tibet, a Struggle of the Soul had this:

While love for the Dalai Lama overflows in Tibet, few Tibetans would welcome a return of the corrupt aristocratic clans that fled with him in 1959 and that comprise the bulk of the Dalai’s advisers. Many Tibetan farmers, for example, have no interest in surrendering the land they gained during China’s land reform to the aristocratic clans. Tibet’s former slaves say they, too, don’t want their former masters to return to power.

”I’ve already lived that life once before,” said Wangchuk, a 67-year-old former slave who was wearing his best clothes for his yearly pilgrimage to Shigatse, one of the holiest sites of Tibetan Buddhism. He said he worshiped the Dalai Lama, but added, “I may not be free under Chinese Communism, but I am better off than when I was a slave.”

As for the claim that the Chinese killed millions of Tibetans, Patrick French admits in the New York Times, He May Be a God, but He’s No Politician :

…the Free Tibet Campaign in London (of which I am a former director) and other groups have long claimed that 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese since they invaded in 1950. However, after scouring the archives in Dharamsala while researching my book on Tibet, I found that there was no evidence to support that figure.

The Dalai Lama’s group had two long-kept secrets revealed in the 1990s:

From Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A. - New York Times:

The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency.

A Newsweek article, When Heaven Shed Blood: Details Of The Cia's Secret War In Tibet Are Only Now Leaking Out, A Tale Of Daring Espionage, Violence And Finally Betrayal, has the details: The Dalai Lama and the Tibetan rebels were secretly funded by the CIA. The rebels included monks like Athar Norbu, which explains why monks and monasteries were involved in the fighting. The Dalai Lama's elder brother, Gyalo Thondup, was the CIA liaison. After the Dalai Lama fled Tibet in 1959, the CIA's secret funding continued, "costing Washington more than $1.7 million a year, according to intelligence documents. That included $500,000 to support 2,100 Tibetan guerrillas (800 of them armed) based in Nepal and $180,000 worth of "subsidy to the Dalai Lama."

The Dalai Lama's support for the fighters continued until after the CIA money stopped flowing: "In July 1974 the Dalai Lama himself sent a 20-minute tape-recorded message asking the resistance fighters, now led by a CIA-trained Khampa named Wangdu, to surrender."

If you care about freedom or democracy, remember that these rebels were fighting to restore slavery in Tibet, and they were being helped by people who had overthrown democratic governments (Mossadegh in Iran and Arbenz in Guatemala) to install dictators. So it’s understandable why the Dalai Lama would hide that for as long as he could

The result:

In the end, the CIA adventure left much blood in its wake. By Beijing's own reckoning, some 87,000 Tibetans were "eliminated" during the Lhasa uprising and its aftermath. The CIA involvement gave Beijing an easy excuse to depict Tibet as a "pawn on the chessboard of imperialist cold-war policy." The CIA's proteges, however, were left with nothing. "The Tibetans were abandoned," says CIA veteran Lilley, evoking the Bay of Pigs fiasco. "It was Cuba all over again."

The other long-kept secret concerns the Dalai Lama’s friend and tutor. From the New York Times, Heinrich Harrer, 93, Explorer of Tibet, Dies:

In 1997, a film titled "Seven Years in Tibet," starring Brad Pitt, dramatized his book of the same name, a best seller in the United States in 1954.

Just months before the movie's release, the German magazine Stern added a startling and disagreeable new dimension to Mr. Harrer's life story; it reported that he enlisted in Hitler's storm troopers in 1933, when they were still illegal in Austria.

Five years later, he enlisted in the SS, the Nazi organization responsible for countless atrocities, and rose to sergeant. He asked the SS leader, Heinrich Himmler, for permission to marry in 1938, giving proof that he and his fiancée were Aryans. He later said he wore his SS uniform only once, the day of that marriage to Charlotte Wegener. In a ceremony celebrating the Eiger triumph in 1938, Mr. Harrer shook hands with Hitler and had his picture taken with him.

Mr. Harrer reacted to the disclosure of a Nazi past by saying that he had committed no crimes or atrocities. He said he understood and regretted his mistakes. He explained that he joined the SS only in order to coach skiing, and never coached an SS member.

Orville Schell, in his 2000 book "Virtual Tibet: Searching for Shangri-La from the Himalayas to Hollywood," commented: "There are not that many moments in life when to claim to be a craven careerist of the most calculating sort is a step up from ignominy."

Harrer may have been a craven careerist, but he's still a useful source of information. Though the Dalai Lama's group claims the Tibetan people opposed the Chinese, Harrer reveals in Return to Tibet that the rebels “were predominantly nobles, semi-nobles and lamas; they were punished by being made to perform the lowliest tasks, such as laboring on roads and bridges. They were further humiliated by being made to clean up the city before the tourists arrived.”

Regarding the notion that the Dalai Lama is a vegetarian, see Nancy Stohs’ Dalai Lama digs into veal, pheasant:

Despite expectations that a vegetarian feast would be in order, the team of chefs assembled to cook for His Holiness on his recent visit to Madison was given no such instruction, said Catherine McKiernan, executive chef at the Madison Club, where the elaborate luncheon was held.

The Dalai Lama is, it turns out, a meat lover.

Some of the Dalai Lama's supporters claim that he must eat meat because of a liver condition, an idea that's not supported by current ideas of medicine.

http://tibetfaq.blogspot.com/2008/05/dalai-lama-faq-for-right.html
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island-guy

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Gee, I wonder how Hitler was stopped...

Couldn't have been WITH GUNS now, could it?

Naaaaahhhhhh couldn't be....
 

Krustee

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Gee, I wonder how Hitler was stopped...

Couldn't have been WITH GUNS now, could it?

Naaaaahhhhhh couldn't be....
Nah, the GOOD people just prayed really hard & held a sit-in chaining themselves to the pillars at the Reichstag.

:rolleyes:

How about that Dalai Lama eh?

He had some Nazi friends eh?

1.7 million per year from the CIA probably bought some nice robes too.

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Fudd

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Oh please. And have you considered that the Chinese government has a program of discrediting any of its opposition. :rolleyes:

As and example during ML Kings activities, the FBI had apolicy of this same propaganda campainge against him.


As for the Nazi's, many people fought the Nazis with out guns through passive resistance. Slave labour workers who were forced to build Hitlers war machines conducted work programs of work slowdowns and subversive sabotage of equiment. People of occupied countries held nationwide strikes and work slowdowns in resistance to the Nazis.

Ghandi and Kings passive resistance brought there people freedoms. You do not need guns to resist oppression.


Also got my chain and cover, thermos with green tea and my sign off to the rally.
 

TheGuy

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The thin edge of the wedge.

I understand when people are afraid to stand up to a government or an army but what makes me sad is those that stand by and watch the little injustices happen.

The co-worker who is being mistreated by the boss or another worker

The neighbour's wife who mistreats his children of wife

The street person who is poorly treated


These things happen everyday and few among us step forward and defend these people.
 
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