Racism?

Wangster · Nov 2, 2006

If you think goodlube's chinese wedding joke was racist check out what's goin on on CL's Rants & Rave section. I'm an E.I. and there is some pretty offensive shit on there. They are not jokes.

http://vancouver.craigslist.org/search/rnr?query=East Indian

PS goodlube's joke was kinda funny, I actually heard it from my chinese freind a while back. I AM NOT RACIST, just the joke was funny.

Here is an EI joke from an EI guy.

How Some Indian Marriages Start -- The Awkward First Phone Call

The Scene: The Girl is a 23 year old investment banker working in New York. The Boy is doing his residency in Boston and was given her number by his mother, who is a friend of the Girl's aunt's brother-in-law's cousin's uncle's wife in Chicago.

Monday night, 10 pm

Girl: Hello?

Boy: (Shit, she's home!) Umm, hi! Is this ---?

Girl: Speaking.

Boy: My name is ---. I don't know if you know who I am- (God, what if she doesn't know who I am? I'll sound like a complete idiot.) Hell, I already sound like a complete idiot. I don't even know why I'm doing this!)

Girl: Oh, you live in Boston, right?

Boy: Yeah. (Ok, she was told about me, that's a fucking relief. I wonder what she was told - "He's a resident, tall, and fair, and he graduated from Ivy League school!" God, she probably hates me already!)

Girl: Yeah, my mother mentioned you had my number. (I can't believe he actually called!)

Boy: So, how are you? (Oh yeah, that's real original, but what the hell else I am supposed to say- Umm, hi, I don't know you, but do you want to be wife?)

Girl: I'm fine. And you? (Ok, this is off to a great fucking start)

Boy: I'm good. (Ok, think, think!) So, I heard you're an investment banker? (Oh, that's a real winner. Now I can be a bad conversationalist and an idiot!)

Girl: Yes.

Boy: (Ok, she is not helping me at all!) Where do you work?

Girl: Merrill Lynch.

Boy: Hey, that's a great firm! (I sound like a complete moron. I should just hang up except my mother would somehow find out and kill me!)

Girl: Yeah, it's a nice place to work. (God, this guy sounds like a complete loser)

Boy: So...(Stall ,stall!)

Girl: So you're doing your residency in cardiology? (Like my mom didn't tell me that 500 times already!)

Boy: (Ok, I can handle this...) Yeah, I'm in my second year. (Alright, now say something else, but what do I say? Do you drink and have sex? Cause if you want to marry me, you can't be one of those goody goody South Asian girls who think if they kiss a guy they've practically gone all the way) So, what do you like to do in your free time?

Girl: (Umm... get wasted...) Oh, you know, hang out with my friends, go to movies.

Boy: Where do you like to hang out in NY?

Girl: (Shit, what am I supposed to say? This guy could be some religious freak! I can't say bars - I'll say clubs, you can go to clubs and not drink...) Oh, sometimes we go to the movies, or there's a couple clubs that are good... (That was good, I made it sound like I like clubs, but I'm not really into them...)

Boy: (Ok, she goes to clubs, that's a good sign. If she was really religious she wouldn't do that.) Yeah? I like to dance also.

Girl: (He likes to dance- that's a good sign. He can't be that stiff!) So where do you hang out in Boston?

Boy: (Should I say it- alright, I'll say it, what the hell!) Umm, the same, bars, clubs, stuff like that.

Girl: (He said bars! So he probably drinks. Good sign. I should explore this further...) Are there any good bars in Boston?

Boy: Yeah, there are some nice ones, I mean, I'm not a huge drinker, but I like having a good time. (Ok, that gives the impression of someone who enjoys drinking but is not an alcoholic - pretty good, if I do say so myself!)

Girl: (That sounds really positive. This guy sounds kind of cool. But if he's so cool why is he calling me? Shouldn't he have a girlfriend? Or not need to call random girls his mother tells him about? God, what if he's completely ugly? Or has never been kissed?) Yeah, me too. Although I hope my parents never find out.

Boy: Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. (I wonder if she's butt)

Girl: (Ok, so he didn't freak out at the living a double life reference- another good sign. I just wish I knew what he looked like...) So...

Boy: (Or she could be really fat with a huge mustache. Well, there's only one way to find out!) So, I know this sounds a little crazy, but I'm visiting some friends in NYC next weekend and I wonder if you'd want to get together for coffee sometime.

Girl: (Coffee. That's totally safe. If he's totally nasty I can have a quick espresso and run like hell!) Yeah, that sounds great.

Boy: (Alright that went pretty well. Coffee's pretty harmless. And who knows, maybe she'll be cool. Now I have to get the hell out of this conversation...) So I have your e-mail, should I just e-mail you soon and we can figure it out?

Girl: (E-mail is sooo much better than the phone. Thank God for e-mail!) Yeah, just e-mail, I check it all the time at work, so- (God, this is getting painful)

Boy: Alright, I'll e-mail you soon. (Meaning in two days cause I don't want to look too desperate, but at the same time I don't want to look like I'm trying not to look too desperate)

Girl: Coo

hitrack · Nov 2, 2006

Thats to much to read.

But on the same subject I just read goodlubes joke and IMO it's worth a giggle, but it's no more funny or less funny that 9/10ths of the other stupid jokes ya come across on a daily basis.

gravitas · Nov 2, 2006

Wangster said:
They are not jokes.

PS goodlube's joke was kinda funny, I actually heard it from my chinese freind a while back. I AM NOT RACIST, just the joke was funny.

Where's the line between funny and racist? Who decides? Do the rules change if the joke is being told by someone of the same race as is involved in the joke? If so, why?

From my POV goodlube's joke rated 2/10 for humor and maybe 2/10 for racist impact. So in other words not at all funny or offensive. Wangster's joke/story rates a 1 in both as its not even remotely funny or racist. But thats just me. I fail to see how a protracted conversation between two people of the same race which was set up by their parents is racist. Seriously, if you're going to get bent out of shape because of race or culture do it over something worthwhile like the genocide in Darfur or barbaric practices like female circumcision.

As an anglo-saxon hetero middle-aged guy I can be pretty much be accused of being racist, sexist, homophobic over any joke I tell. Which is shitty really since I don't dislike people for their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Disliking/hating people for something so simple is stupid, especially when you get to know someone an dislike them for their individual reasons.

klassix · Nov 2, 2006

preech on gravitas

necko · Nov 2, 2006

If a asian person had told me that joke I would have howl with laughter, but as it was I just didn't find it funny, I have jewish friends who are always telling stereotypical jokes about jews, I find it funny then but i wouldn't dare repeat the same jokes. A black friend of mine again uses the N word all the time but I wouldn't. My son who happens to be gay says fag, fairy all the time and agian sometimes its funny, but I wouldn't use those words. A gay women friend calls all sorts of gay women Dike ,diesel dike, my favorite is the term carpet muncher, again I don't use those words. I was brought up in a bigoted home( Irish Protesant) u can guess who were the losest form of life and its all bullshit, Like what goodlube said we can all be a little too (tightass) about it.But then who I'm I to talk I'm your balding middleage fat white guy.who walks with a limp uses a cane.I did find the joke in question offensive but I wouldn't have banned the quy without warning

wilde · Nov 2, 2006

As a Chinois Canadien, I saw Goodlube's joke as a not very funny joke with a racial undertone. I would not consider it as being racist. But if I had to guess on who made the joke, I would have to go with a white guy who eats a lot of Chinese takeout and lives with his mama.

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shapeshifter · Nov 2, 2006

gravitas said:
Where's the line between funny and racist? Who decides? Do the rules change if the joke is being told by someone of the same race as is involved in the joke? If so, why? .

That is a pet peeve of mine.

If a word or phrase etc is racist then it's bloody well racist!

I hate this fucking double standard rationalizing that if a black person says the "N" word its okay and its not a hurtful ugly racist word, even if it's repeated 1000 times on one CD but if anyone from any other race says it even ONCE then its wrong and hurtful.
I don't use that word because to me it's just a horrible ugly word and it bothers me no matter who is saying it, black/white/red/yellow/orange!

You can't have it both ways and expect people to respect your view, either it disgusts and hurts you to hear that word or it doesnt....

Same thing with any other races and words.

I hate the fucking pick and choose convenience of it all.... people need to sit down and decide, does it offend me or not!

I'm caucasian and if I was offended by the word "cracker" then I am offended by the word "cracker" all the time!!! ...it wouldnt matter who was saying it!
Personally I don't give a fuck! call me cracker I couldnt care less.... and I dont give a damn who says it.

My 2 cents

Avery · Nov 2, 2006

wilde said:
...I saw Goodlube's joke as a not very funny joke with a racial undertone...

That's a very good description of the joke. The racism in it was admittedly marginal, and it's probably the kind of joke that would be told within the ethnic group in question, although I'm not so sure about the accent aspect.

Whether we like it or not, it's not cool for non-members of an ethnic or religious group to tell jokes about the group. However, what necko said is true; it's OK for members of that group to do so. I'm the archetypical WASP, and I just don't tell that kind of joke at all, even though I have to confess I find some of them to be funny.

Someone posted a joke yesterday that was unquestionably racist, as it played on very negative stereotypes of Jews and natives. I was surprised at how long it remained on the board.

Avery · Nov 2, 2006

shapeshifter said:
If a word or phrase etc is racist then it's bloody well racist!

I hate this fucking double standard rationalizing that if a black person says the "N" word its okay and its not a hurtful ugly racist word, even if it's repeated 1000 times on one CD but if anyone from any other race says it even ONCE then its wrong and hurtful.

I don't use that word because to me it's just a horrible ugly word and it bothers me no matter who is saying it, black/white/red/yellow/orange!

I have to agree with that. It may be OK for members of a group to tell jokes on themselves, but it's not OK to use terms that would be racist and hurtful coming from outsiders.

Moderator · Nov 2, 2006

Avery said:
Someone posted a joke yesterday that was unquestionably racist, as it played on very negative stereotypes of Jews and natives. I was surprised at how long it remained on the board.

What is the suprise? I Don't spend 24/7 on here?

necko said:
I did find the joke in question offensive but I wouldn't have banned the quy without warning

He has been on the board long enough to know what will get my attention!

shapeshifter · Nov 2, 2006

Tha_Bounce said:
I get where you are coming from but I think the world isn't so black and white. There is a grey area and you might dislike the fact that it exists but its there. Even more importantly, words change and take on different meanings, if not a whole bunch of words would just have been dropped from the dictionary instead of a word having multiple entries.

Yes the "N" word did develop from a hurtful ugly place but it certainly in this day and age has taken on several meanings. I'm black and I would refer to myself or my friends as 'my niggas' but I don't mean it in the hurtful, ugly origins of the word. And same for anyone of any other race that referred to me as a "Nigga" or "their nigga"...it would depend on the context, tone and situation.

If it was a 50 year old white red neck who was turning red and fuming as he spoke to me and started yelling the "N" word...then at that point I'd probably decided he means it to be hurtful. On the other hand if it was one of my white friends we have known each other a while and he referred to me as his "nigga" and so did I, irrespective of his skin colour, at that point he and I both would be emphasizing a sorta comradery and it would be the equivalent of saying 'my buddy'.

Now I won't deny the fact that there are people out there, black people for example who would refer to themselves with the "N" word but the minute anyone else uses it, they'd throw a fit and claim they were being racist etc etc. Those people obviously have ulterior motives and for what reason they pursue that reaction...I've got no clue but they shouldn't be allowed to set the precedent for the word use and the rest of the world.

Also I'd like to say that the "N" word is sorta different I think...as there are other racial words out there that still mean the same thing that they mean't when they were invented and as such haven't' taken on a different or multiple meanings.

You CAN have it both ways and that depends on the TONE and CONTEXT of the word usage. And quite smiply most rational people pick and choose in the moment whether it offends them or not based on the TONE and CONTEXT of the situation rather than pre-decide that any use of say, the "N" word, regardless of context, tone or user would be inappropraite and an ugly, hurtful thing to say.

I personally would rather have it the former.

And thats one reason why I just don't say it, the other reason is I personally find it offensive.

I think people should lead by example, if a word is offensive to them then don't sit with one group and say it all night and then turn around and toss a fit when someone else says it.

I went on a blind date a few years back, it was set up by a friend of mine.
He had one thing to tell me before the date as a word of advice, he said she's a fun, witty, good looking woman but her vocabulary would make a trucker blush.

Sure enough from the minute I picked her up it was "fuck" this and "cock-sucker" that .... on and on.
We met up with a few of her friends at a club after going out to dinner... we walk in and the minute they spot each other she is saying stuff like "heyyy bitch you look hot tonight!" and "don't be a stupid cunt, ya bitch" followed by howling laughter with back and forth exchanges in the same vein.

Yet there was this unspoken undertone which made it obvious to me that it was okay for the girls to all joke back and forth in that manner but heaven help it if one of us guys slipped up and made a reference.

I never asked her out again because I found the whole experience fake and a bunch of double standard bullshit.
Plus I don't find it attractive when a woman talks like a long shoreman

visioneast · Nov 2, 2006

shapeshifter said:
I went on a blind date a few years back, it was set up by a friend of mine.
He had one thing to tell me before the date as a word of advice, he said she's a fun, witty, good looking woman but her vocabulary would make a trucker blush.

Sure enough from the minute I picked her up it was "fuck" this and "cock-sucker" that .... on and on.
We met up with a few of her friends at a club after going out to dinner... we walk in and the minute they spot each other she is saying stuff like "heyyy bitch you look hot tonight!" and "don't be a stupid cunt, ya bitch" followed by howling laughter with back and forth exchanges in the same vein.

Jesus Christ...

I've met young mothers who would use words such as "fuck", "bitch" and "asshole" in front of their toddlers.

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