Who are the best Independent Providers? And proper etiquette in initial contact

[mrankin]

Hi everyone, I'm looking for everyone's opinion of who are the best independent providers, and initially, who is the easiest and friendliest to open a dialogue with and to make an appointment? I'm posting on this forum to please get some suggestions in not only the looks and performance department, but also in the ease of setting appointment and initializing contact. Sorry moderators if this belongs in another section. I really only read this board. Thanks!

In 10 years of pooning, I have never encountered an issue with a single provider in the screening process. A highly visible and apparently well-recommended lady, had an issue with me. I won't say who it is, as it doesnt matter but I wanted to address customer service from our point of view. How do all you fellas initiate contact with an independent provider? How do you build rapport for an extended date or multiple extended dates? I usually try to write something of substance, humorous, albeit a little verbose, to give the lady an idea of my personality. I hope to learn something about her as well. Apparently, I used a single wrong word, where this provider concluded that I wasnt respectful of the courtesan profession. Not the case. Then I sent a few more emails trying to explain what I meant, and that just got me more in hot water and I look like a psycho. Kinda like when you used to leave a message on an answering machine and wish you could erase it but you call back and leave even cornier messages. And she commented that it was a waste of time to read my emails anyways since she was not getting compensated. Now I understand her point of view and her prerogative to make her own free choices. I'm all for that. And I guess business is too good. But times have been tough too. From my perspective, I will usually see a lady many many times and spend dozens of hours if I am to become a regular. That equates to me spending $7,000 to $10,000 on a lady if there's a good rapport. What is 20 minutes of time spent on initial emails? In business, this is loss leader, giving something up front, with a huge return on the back end. I guess I'm too idealistic these days but I notice a change compared to say, ten years ago. In the future, should I just say, hi, I'm so and so and these are my free dates, are you available, here are my references? Seems so cold. But in the swipe left or swipe right era, I guess I have to adapt. I may just stick with the agencies from now on. Feel free to PM me but I'm interested in other people's experiences with independents on this, and hopefully to hear from some independents themselves. Thank you all!

 

[Man Mountain]

This is a tough one. I would say that if what you've been doing has worked for you for ten years, keep doing things the way you've been doing them. Understand that sometimes you're going to approach someone with whom you're not compatible and better to find out she's all business in the communication stage than if she agrees to see you and you end up having an underwhelming session in person. Also, I say post who it is. Some guys don't mind the all business types and might not mind knowing that's the type with whom they'll be dealing. But others who are more like you and are looking for more than just the, "when were you interested in booking?" types will appreciate the heads up.

Best of luck to you in your searches whatever you decide.

 

[justwannahavefun]

Like you, I have always had good success when contacting a lady. I always say a little about myself, what I am looking for and times that work for me. That has all worked great......until recently. I contacted someone I really wanted to see and never did hear back from her. I am quite certain that my initial contact was the same as all the others. What did I learn?............ She is not worth my time.
We are fortunate enough to have a good selection of reputable respectable ladies. If she was offended by something no one else has been offended by, I say move on. Maybe she was having a bad day, but maybe not.
Not worth the risk.

 

[mrankin]

MM, you raise some very good points. Thank you! I did get saved from a nightmare date. Just that I like to feel things out first by email. I cut my teeth at strip clubs in Vegas during their heyday, and became used to test driving the merchandise first and getting good at knowing who would provide some fringe benefits (at no extra cost).

I would reveal her name, if more people chime in with their experiences. I'm trying to figure out who is a good independent provider nowadays. I guess a good indicator is that this lady doesnt do dates more than 3 hours. That to me, tell me she's not interested in building a rapport or going anywhere with anyone and having experiences. Also, she's in her mid-30s and probably a little jaded by now. Maybe I have had good luck, as this is the first 30s plus provider I've ever tried to book. Figure as I'm 50 now, I have to sometime, have a closer age difference. But ironically, it didnt work! Do you have any suggestions on who may be a good provider these days, who makes the booking process fun?

 

[mrankin]

thank you for your input! would you happen to have any suggestions of "reputable respectable ladies???" I'm looking, as many of the ladies I've seen are retiring one by one.

 

[techno1]

who have u seen already. give classy angel a look. great rep great body

 

[mrankin]

thank you techno, that's one that i've never seen, i'll give her a try for sure

 

[Relax10]

thank you techno, that's one that i've never seen, i'll give her a try for sure

I'll add a +1 for Angel however, If your looking for somone to "enjoy" in the next 5 days go with Adisson. She is on her last tour and mus be experienced at least once. Angel is an amazing SP and person in her own right but unless she's shutting it down this weekend give Adisson a look. Then call Angel for your next hobby experience.

As for a list of SP's Im sure lots of guys can throw out a name but it maybe easier and save you time if your more specific. Like blondes, short, minimum triple EE cup, etc. 1 big detail also is location. If your sent a recommendation of a SP who is say high up there in North Vancouver and you live in White Rock and cant drive, dont want to taxi it. Maybe you have a special need like your cock is 15 inches and dont want to arrive and have the SP tell you "too big, only hand", lol this has happened before.not to me though.

 

[mrankin]

thanks Relax! I will call Adisson as well. I love all types as long as they are friendly, professional and not ugly or have a drug or alcohol problem. Ive only had 2 or 3 bad experiences in the many years of pooning out of 100s-- mostly drugged out ladies and now this rude initial screening lady who is quite popular

 

[Miss Hunter]

I'm not the lady in question but the complaints that the OP has brought up are hauntingly similar to what many guys have issues with me and my booking protocol as well. Just noone has yet started the "Miss Hunter is a bitch in the booking process" thread yet. Although a few have thrown tantrums threatening bad PERB reviews when I decline them because I don't feel we'd be a good fit...

As a well reviewed provider in her 30's who is very strict, very selective and all business during the booking process and who also doesn't do sessions longer than 3 hours for my own reasons, which have absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to build rapport and connection with my clients, mainly because at the 3 hr point I'm utterly exhausted and need to retreat into solitude to recharge my batteries. I know my limits and I work within them which I think is a very professional decision. Same with when a lady declines a client for not being a good fit while being completely honest about why. How on earth is that considered unprofessional?

It's an interesting subject but why does the OP feel the need to shoehorn slams in towards this lady? Calling her jaded, etc. And bring up all the money he spends on other providers? Why does that even matter? To be honest, he kinda rubs me the wrong way too so I can understand why the lady made the choice she did.

Perhaps it was all just a misunderstanding. There's been studies done in the realm of social psychology that show miscommunication in electronic communication is quite rampant.

 

[Relax10]

Perhaps it was all just a misunderstanding. There's been studies done in the realm of social psychology that show miscommunication in electronic communication is quite rampant.

Echoing this point; text, forum posts and email has become such a huge forum itself for miscommunication in jobs, friends and relationships. Im sure everyone can attest their own experiences. Some cant fully get their point across or clear and some read into too much and/or misinterpret whats been written. All this causes frustrations.

I wasnt there but my thought trying to see it from different points of views. OP was looking for insights on maybe he did something he didnt realize may have inadvertently come off wrong. He mentioned asking questions about tips to better approach SP's. As for his mention how much, I think its his way (and may guys do this, maybe a guy thing) of saying he wasent a waste of time person and that he's a serious client. OP may have been just venting. We dont know what SP's point of view on this was. Could the SP just be more cautious due to a high cancellation rate/dealing with too many WOT folks we dont konw but if so thats understandable on her end.

I messaged with the OP and he wasnt trashing the SP just seemed frustrated like many can be when they dont know what went wrong. As for the SP, she has every right to not take any one she feels for whatever reason. It can be frustrating to not intentionally do anything wrong and get shut out and frustrating on the SP side if someone blew her off on a miscommunication also. I think the OP didnt put the name of the lady because it may have just been a misunderstanding and didnt want to bad press her.

It sucks that folks will bad review you Miss Hunter because they didnt get an appointment. It sucks when SP's get cancelled and have their schedule/income screwed over. It sucks when horrible/fake SP's post fake pics and ROB folks. Unfortunately the shitty nature of the beast were in.

Wishing everyone a happy hobbying weekend :tea:

 

[Man Mountain]

I'm not the lady in question but the complaints that the OP has brought up are hauntingly similar to what many guys have issues with me and my booking protocol as well. Just noone has yet started the "Miss Hunter is a bitch in the booking process" thread yet. Although a few have thrown tantrums threatening bad PERB reviews when I decline them because I don't feel we'd be a good fit....

I've never actually booked a dom for services. I went to a dom foot fetish party once years ago to see if it might be something I would be into and enjoyed my time there and the ladies I met that night. But I do think that I would expect or understand that making initial communication with a dom might be more "strict" than if I were trying to make arrangements with someone for a GFE type session, where the expectations are a little different.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with a lady being more business oriented in the initial screening and communication process but some guys might need something more especially if they're the types who are looking for the multi-hour engagements. Like I said, it's a tough one to say what the answer is but I don't think he should change his MO over one rejection.

Hope you're well, MissH

 

[Miss Hunter]

I've never actually booked a dom for services. I went to a dom foot fetish party once years ago to see if it might be something I would be into and enjoyed my time there and the ladies I met that night. But I do think that I would expect or understand that making initial communication with a dom might be more "strict" than if I were trying to make arrangements with someone for a GFE type session, where the expectations are a little different.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with a lady being more business oriented in the initial screening and communication process but some guys might need something more especially if they're the types who are looking for the multi-hour engagements. Like I said, it's a tough one to say what the answer is but I don't think he should change his MO over one rejection.


Hope you're well, MissH

I agree with you. If his approach has worked for 10 years and he usually finds ladies he connects with then yeah he probably shouldn’t change just for one rejection.

Misunderstandings can happen and some personalities will clash. Just be yourself and you’ll attract the right people for you.

I think the lady did the right thing. Better for her to turn him down than force herself through a multi hr session with someone she’s not into.

 

[felixthecat]

Now I understand her point of view and her prerogative to make her own free choices. I'm all for that. And I guess business is too good. But times have been tough too. From my perspective, I will usually see a lady many many times and spend dozens of hours if I am to become a regular. That equates to me spending $7,000 to $10,000 on a lady if there's a good rapport.

The "but" part was unnecessary. It is usually wrong to tell people (unsolicited) how to do their jobs. It is definitely wrong to tell people their main priority should be producing more revenue. An SP is not just a business, she's a human who is trying to maximize her happiness not only by extra income but also by setting her own rules and avoiding potentially bad matches. I'm guessing there is no shortage of men who can say they will spend $10,000 or more. She might dedicate herself to finding those who truly will. Even if it is time-efficient (her call), she'll find that being a high spender doesn't always make a Mr Greg or something a desirable person to be with, to the degree the money may not be worth it.

You cannot win them all. At this stage of communication, you both could be right and it's just not a match. It's ok for both to stay your course and move on. The extra verbosity will attract many SPs (you can often see remarks to that effect on their websites). On the other hand, you know now that too many words can be a red flag to other SPs because they want to weed out potential time-wasters. More words also mean a bigger chance of using 'a wrong word'. I understand the SP was polite enough to reply even after she made a choice not to see you, so there is that. From her perspective, a mistake of seeing a wrong person can be way more costly than accidentally skipping a good client. It's a big city, there is absolutely no reason for either side to overthink one booking decision.

 

[Gardener]

So many lovely ladies in this city. If it doesn’t click with one of them, then simply move on and find another excellent provider. This isn’t rocket science.

 

[mrankin]

"It's an interesting subject but why does the OP feel the need to shoehorn slams in towards this lady? Calling her jaded, etc. And bring up all the money he spends on other providers? Why does that even matter? To be honest, he kinda rubs me the wrong way too so I can understand why the lady made the choice she did.

Perhaps it was all just a misunderstanding. There's been studies done in the realm of social psychology that show miscommunication in electronic communication is quite rampant." Miss H

Miss H, thank you for your input. Thats' my point I think it was all a misunderstanding due to electronic communication. I mention the money spent part, not to show that I'm rich and powerful etc etc, but to counter the SP's response that she doesnt want to spend time reading my emails. Her comment indicates that she cares about her time and wants to be compensated. My argument is, then why not read a few emails and spend time up front? If one is treating it as a business transaction. I mean spend $50 worth of my time reading emails (as an SP) for a bigger upside potential. Just looking at it from a business POV which I understand that is a cold way to look at it.

I think we are both missing out on each others company due to a misunderstanding. We would probably like each other would be my guess, but we can both move on. No harm. Plenty of other choices.

I've learned a lot from this thread. And I think the SP absolutely should err on the side of caution since I cant imagine the safety concerns with all the nuts out there. I would think if I were the SP, I would try to find a more thorough screening process which would mean spending more time interacting up front or using recommendations, word of mouth etc. Not looking for clues based on single words. As one gent said, and advised, use less words. And I tend to agree. And be totally positive and conventional with no joking around or nothing to indicate my personality. It's a bit scary, because a lot of sociopaths, know how to communicate like that and say what people want to hear. I'd argue that maybe the folks the communicate unconventionally might actually by kind and sensitive people, albeit a little weird.

And when I say, she's jaded. I mean frustrated by all the negative experiences that must come after 10 years in the industry. The no shows, the weirdos, etc. And the same frustrations exist on our side as well. I'm jaded as well but open to always learning. Thanks!

 

[mrankin]

sage advice Felix! Thank you. less is more

 

[ExpCharlee]

1. don't use that word again
2. stop harassing a worker once she says she's not interested
3. message other providers until you find one that you get along with
4. continue supporting the industry and having great experiences

 

[Emmy_St_Claire]

So apparently a lot of people can tell that this thread is about me. I may as well address it.

From his introductory email, I concluded we wouldn’t be a good match. It’s unusual for me to turn down a request, but as other users here have mentioned, it’s better to politely decline an appointment than to go through with something you don’t want to, then risk having a bad time and getting a bad review. I realize it might sting a little to be ‘turned down’, but that does happen in this industry, especially among professional ladies who try hard to ensure that they’re compatible with their clients, and and that they’ll be able to give ALL their clients a fantastic experience. I truly believe that every guy deserves to get his full money’s worth from a session :love_heart:

Here is the “jaded” and “rude” reply that I sent to Mrankin:

Hi there,
I don't think we would be a good fit, but enjoy your time in Vancouver!

All the best.

Anyhow, he repeatedly didn’t respect my choice to say no, which I found frustratingly disrespectful.
Rather than respecting my polite declination, he bombarded me with additional emails, each one longer and stranger than the last. Topics of these emails included: Holocaust death camps, Japanese sex slavery, Mel Brooks, farming, Peruvian shamans, the death of his childhood cat in a house fire, and Czarist St Petersburg in the 1800s. I honestly found it pretty rattling to be inundated with all of this after I had politely said no.
In addition to these, he also sent multiple other emails requesting that I read his reviews of other providers even though I had already declined the appointment.

I believe (perhaps naively?) that after a lady has politely said no, you should move on. You don’t bombard her with emails, then go online on her local advertising board to covertly (and not so covertly) insult her and her choice, call her jaded and rude, and make unkind and untrue assumptions about her rate structure.

Mrankin I’ve now asked you multiple times now to please leave me alone.
I’m a bit disturbed that you can’t let this go.

I hope that you will please leave me alone now. Thank you.

 

[ExpCharlee]

HAHAHAHAHAHA like, I'm sorry but....I snorted some of my coffee.

Topics of these emails included: Holocaust death camps, Japanese sex slavery, Mel Brooks, farming, Peruvian shamans, the death of his childhood cat in a house fire, and Czarist St Petersburg in the 1800s.