What's wrong with Vancouver Canuck fans?

[Cock Throppled]

Just saw a report about the investigation following the '94 riot and the author claims many recommendations were not followed.

We had 17 years to prepare for this and the city and police failed in their approach.

Good planning involves keeping things from happening or mitigating things once they begin.

Chu claims the usual suspects were involved. Really, so why were'nt they under observation and removed?

Seems like the plan didn't involve any intelligence.

 

[mercyshooter]

This is not accurate....in 2004 when the Flames went to the final game the "Red Mile" did not degrade into a riot with people bent on vadalism and theft....there was some bad noise but there was no riot...actually there was more bad noise in game 6 when the winning goal by Calgary was waived off.....given that if the goal had not been waived off the Stanley Cup would have been ours.

SR

Was Calgary like Canucks that it's league's champ when they were in finals?
What was the final score?

 

[mercyshooter]

Just saw a report about the investigation following the '94 riot and the author claims many recommendations were not followed.

We had 17 years to prepare for this and the city and police failed in their approach.

Good planning involves keeping things from happening or mitigating things once they begin.

Chu claims the usual suspects were involved. Really, so why were'nt they under observation and removed?

Seems like the plan didn't involve any intelligence.

The human rights says you can't do it!

 

[Man Mountain]

Who's the author? Tell us a little about him/her please. Enlighten us Cock on how there was no intelligence. I'm sure Chu just said ....let's just get out there and do your and let's see what happens.

Makes total sense to me

He's been on all the various news channel's reporting today. His name is Bob Whitelaw. Here's an article from the CBC web site:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...6/bc-vancouver-riot-whitelaw-1994-report.html

 

[Cock Throppled]

Thanks MM.....

He said nothing we didn't already know. There were triple the # of people and not enough police.
Blame the Mayor not Chu and VPD. They did the best they could do with what they were given.

I'm no fan of Robertson, but the police have the final call on how many police are deployed and how they are used.

The riot squad was out relatively early, so there weren't that many police not equipped with protective gear.

The city had a hand in planning things, but why are you so convinced the mayor was the one completely responsible for planning deficiencies?

 

[storm rider]

Hey ms....it isn't oten SR is right but this is one of those times.

Fuckin A I am right....back in 89 when the Flames won the Stanley Cup...things got a bit rowdy on electric avenue (now defunct) and the CPS sent in the riot squad real fast....was not a big deal but there was no damage done and no looting......yeah the "Red Mile" burned up the internet with girls gone wild in 2004 but that was just drunken hedonism.....sadly I did not score with any of those loose gals who shall be referred to as sluts LOL.....Calgarians may go over the top in celebration but we are decent loser's...we dont trash out city when out team loses.

I predicted the win and I predicted the riot....if I could pick stocks like that I would be rich....in short...the canucks lost to the better team and I will be getting my Sugarland money....I truly hope that all of the lowlife POS's that fueled the riot in Vancouver and incited/caused all of the damage are brought to justice and are punished to the maximum....pretty sad state of affairs when families attending a huge pulic gathering decide to leave before the game is over as they fear for their safety.

SR

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I'd still like to know what Chu's "plan" was.

Comparing a G20/G8 riot to a hockey crowd riot is like comparing apples and oranges.

G/20 riot attracts hard-core, professional anarchists from around the world. Demonstrators don't include families.

g20 may have included some anarchists but it did include families and the vast majority of protesters were regular people doing something that is completely legal which the police was well aware of long ahead of time so.... But I do agree that it's like comparing apples and oranges though for different reasons.

Like:
g20 LEGAL protest vs. drunk HOCKEY fans riot.

Um. Kind of not the same thing AT ALL, I'd say. lol I'll leave it at that for now but really, the two don't even compare.



Anyway, I was just reading this article and had trouble reading it all I was rolling my eyes so much near the end. Oh Please. As if the riot itself wasn't enough, this makes Vancouver sound like such a whinny drama queen. And the whole blame-it-on-the-anarchists claim is so ridiculous.

Yah, yah we all agree. It was really stupid, it sucks......... now get over it.


I can't believe this thread's gone on for, what, 8 pages? Geez. :doh:



http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2010/05/13/montreal-also-hearts-riots/
http://nodogsoranglophones.blogspot.com/2010/06/montreal-is-modern-riot-capital-of.html

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Hmmm...not whay I would expect coming from you.

What would you have expected? JUst curious...

 

[Event Horizon]

Why weren't their any police at those outside spots people would watch the games?


This is Silky Johnson

 

[vancity_cowboy]

PS...While I feel bad for anyone who had anything damaged or stolen (you included, even though your a rude prick) you have insurance and it will be fixed and/or replaced.

don't most property insurance policies exclude damage due to riots? just askin'

 

[vancity_cowboy]

the one bright spot for me in the whole sordid affair was watching that hummer go up in flames - imho hummer owners are a pretty low lot

 

[vancity_cowboy]

No they don't (that was specifically mentioned in an article). Good question though.

ok i found the article... i guess i already knew the answer - everything is potentially insurable, you just have to be willing to pay the extra cost for the rider

 

[sonoman]

I hope when companies identify one of their own in pictures or video, they take the steps to let that person go. Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket book.

Most of those jerk-offs probably don't work; if they do, it's not likely to be anywhere their bosses will give a damn. Holding a job requires responsibility; these jerks have none.

 

[Cock Throppled]

don't most property insurance policies exclude damage due to riots? just askin'

My insurers say there is no problem. No different than vandalism damage.

 

[Valium]

another sad part is the fact that it was all young people in late teens-early 20's. the youth (especially males) in this city is so warped. none of them have a conscience. all they care about is picking fights and accumulating tattoos. sure there was the retards doing the damage, but then what about all the other idiots who rather then getting the hell out of there (like a normal thinking person would do), decided to just stand there and take pictures. pure stupidity.

I totally agree. Kids will be kids, but i have to say at least some small part of the blame lies with their parents who should be teaching them to be responsible citizens. Too many naive parents have the mentality that their children could never do something like this. I'm sure Nathan Kotylak's parents would have said as much about their son until he was caught setting a cop car on fire.

let me know if the Harry Rosen in Pacific Centre is damaged

spermie i know you have been on edge the last few days so let me put your mind at ease. Harry Rosen suffered no damage. Clearly the mob had no fashion sense. :nod:

 

[Unpossible]

Hmmm...not whay I would expect coming from you.

Really? She hasn't made it a secret that she dislikes Vancouver and BC as a whole.

 

[huggzy]

Vancouverites - Jekyll and Hyde

Vancouver Sun Analysis (video): The Best and Worst - The Vancouver Riots

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vi...ot+good+ugly/4966754/story.html?cid=hot_photo

I think its far to simplistic to just say that its only "anarchists" and "hooligans" because the large proportion of the rioters can't be characterized as such. There's a deeper problem than this.

Look at the part of the video of the young guy who's yelling "Why are you doing this??? This is our city!!!". And I think that this is the crux of the problem. This guy has taken ownership of the city as "his city"...when clearly the rioters do not.

If we are a "Jekyll and Hyde" society, then why is this?

 

[Cock Throppled]

This article pretty much confirms everything I've been saying and debunks hunka's belief the city controlled police deployment and numbers.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/...derstaffed+Game+riot+union/4967392/story.html

It took 2 hours for rioters to break into LD. No police reaction over two hours?

And why do the mayor and police chief keep saying they had no idea there might be a riot? Aren't they supposed to EXPECT the worst, so they would have been prepared?