Watch out for cops

[Smoky]

Edmonton Sun Article - Feb. 17, 2006

The city police vice squad is investigating a south-side massage parlour after neighbours complained that it's ruining the neighbourhood.

According to Gordon McIntosh, director of the Strathcona Business Park, the G-Spot, 4003 98 St., is a troublesome tenant drawing a bad crowd and driving down the value of the offices at the industrial-area office strip.

The G-Spot opened its doors in 2002 and trouble followed, including "three drive-by shootings with a paintball gun, theft and vandalism of property, drugs, sex paraphernalia, to mention a few," said a Feb. 2 letter from the Business Park board to police Chief Mike Boyd.

And a private investigator hired by the Business Park, swore in Dec. 2004 he'd gone undercover and was told, while in a massage room at the G-Spot, that oral sex would cost $85, a body shampoo was $125 and a "complete" was $185.

Yesterday, a sign inside G-Spot advertised "Asian Shower - body shampoo" and "Safari Room - porno video."

G-Spot's manager wasn't available for comment.

"We're upset," McIntosh said yesterday. "We're upset with the city police because what we see is a common bawdy house."

Bawdy houses, where people pay for sex, are illegal in Canada.

McIntosh thinks police and the city are looking the other way to keep prostitutes off the street.

But yesterday, a police spokesman said they're looking at the G-Spot.

"An investigation has been started," said Jeff Wuite. "In fact, the staff sergeant in charge of vice is looking into that."

 

[wolverine]

I reckon the only things that will be investigated are the reports of guns, vandalism and drugs, and that's it. Otherwise all MPs would have been raided and shutdown ages ago, they have only been raided due to licensing and drugs. LE would rather see the SP trade behind closed doors at MPs than out in the streets. Besides they have bigger fish to fry, like the gang problems.

Someone here has previously mentioned (Tiffany, I think) that the strip mall has been trying to shut down G-Spot for a while now, so one would have to assume there's some long-standing axes to grind there. Or it's another case of a high-horse rider inflicting his own morals on others. And what better way of doing that than trying to get the new chief from outside the force on their side?

But I have to laugh at that guy's claim of declining property values. What does he think it is, Harrods of London? They are a faceless grey-Lego-block stripmall in the middle of an industrial wasteland for chrissakes! They are a dime-a-dozen in this town.

 

[prince albert]

I'm sure not all LE's out there are pristine, outstanding moral citizens.

To deny what goes on here, is to deny the carnal instincts that all humans have!!!

 

[Mick Shagher]

Edmonton Sun Article - Feb. 17, 2006

And a private investigator hired by the Business Park, swore in Dec. 2004 he'd gone undercover and was told, while in a massage room at the G-Spot, that oral sex would cost $85, a body shampoo was $125 and a "complete" was $185.

I think the most important question in all of this is "So what service did the PI end up deciding to go for"? LOL.

BJs for $85? What time do they open up!! With those kind of prices I'm suprised there isn't a line-up at G-Spot, although now wouldn't exactly be the best time to pay that place a visit.

 

[irishmic]

I agree but

As usual Wolfie you put a good perspective on things and I agree just last year when PP/Heavens Gate was broken into the police were there investigating the break-in while the girls were still greeting customers it was funny really; but this Chief is the first one in a while from outside the force and it might be interesting to see if he is as comfortable with MP's as the previous ones were.

In any case He has a few big problems to look after and it could be more than a couple of years before we might tell if he has a different attitude than his predecessors.

I know that this Gordon of that business park wants them out badly so maybe he is trying to get the new chiefs attention.

 

[Tiffany]

Oh My God!!!!!

It just doesn't end!!!

That Gordon needs to either get some sex from his wife or find a new hobby!!

We were all shocked to see that article in the Sun today. That was the same info the PI brought to court with him that got thrown out. This guy isn't going to stop until something comes from it...

Some of the girls were saying that bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. IMHO it's really bad. From now on us girls are going to have to be careful, we can't be so free to talk about "private" matters. I noticed in another thread that some of you seem to think that just because your behind closed doors your free to discuss anything, the fact is it is ILLEGAL unless you're naked. So from now on us girls will not be doing consultations. You all have done this or at least read about it before, the need for inappropriate questions is unnecessary. We will not be entertaining those who wish to.

As far as us girls are concerned the investigation is a serious matter. We are going to fight this but we need your guys cooperation as well. At the door anyone can be LE. So please don't ask, "So can a guy really get a BJ for $85?" because we'll send you right back out the door.

To say that LE doesn't care what goes on in mp's as long as they keep the streets clean is rather naive. We are just really lucky that we have really good vice staff for now because the next ones that come in aren't going to be so lenient. All good things do come to an end. The reality is that if one girl solicits to the wrong person it's over for all of us, maybe even for other studios as well. There's also enough info here on PERB to get us all in trouble.

I'm just saying keep it on the low down for awhile.

Tiffany

 

[Smoky]

There's also enough info here on PERB to get us all in trouble.

Tiffany

Lots of names of individual SP's also. I even mentioned two also, which i apologize for.
In case anyone cares to know our new chief is a very conversative thinker. Anyone notice all the grow op busts lately? Potheads got hit first. Who's next on the morality list??
Also our new Prime Minister is also of the same mind. CONSERVATIVES. If you voted that way, now you will see what you asked for.
This isn't a game kids. Some adults hold themselves very high to hide their own crimes.

 

[wolverine]

I noticed in another thread that some of you seem to think that just because your behind closed doors your free to discuss anything, the fact is it is ILLEGAL unless you're naked. So from now on us girls will not be doing consultations. You all have done this or at least read about it before, the need for inappropriate questions is unnecessary. We will not be entertaining those who wish to.

I'm not sure where you ladies are getting your info from, but according the Edmonton Police website, nothing is said about having to be naked. It's only illegal if the MP is clearly advertising sex for sale, or if the SP and client negotiate such a transaction in public.

http://www.police.edmonton.ab.ca/Pages/Prostitution/PublicInfo/PublicInfoMain.htm

Massage parlours: it is not illegal for an individual to work for a massage parlour as long as they are licensed to do so by the city. Further, engaging in non-sexual services while working for the parlour is not illegal. A masseuse who actually just gives massages is not doing anything illegal. Performing sexual services in a massage clinic may be illegal if the police can prove the clinic is a place which has as its purpose prostitution. If it is implied that a sex act is available but will cost the client extra and a discussion ensues about price for sexual services the masseuse and client are committing an illegal act (communication for the purpose of prostitution -- s. 213) unless the discussion occurs in a massage room. In that case, no illegal act has been committed.

 

[wolverine]

Sally Johnson's SUN column makes fun of this too:

MASSAGE MESSAGE

A private detective posing as a customer at a local massage parlour was allegedly told that oral sex would cost $85 and a "complete" was $185.

Strathcona Business Park bosses had hired the undercover agent to check out their suspicions that the massage parlour operating in one of their buildings was offering more than back rubs.

The massage parlour is called G-Spot.

What do you suppose was the first clue?

 

[Tiffany]

Sorry Wolvie..

What I meant was LE cannot get naked in front of us or expose themselves. As long as your naked we know it's ok.

 

[threepeat]

One thing I hate about The Edmonton Sun is how they are so hypocritical about massage parlours. On the one hand they don't miss an opportunity to trash them in print, and yet their back pages are full of escort and MP ads (including G-Spot). Either the Sun should collectively admit that they all fell off the turnip truck and just found out about MPs, or they should stop being so two-faced about it.

 

[schizo_man]

What I meant was LE cannot get naked in front of us or expose themselves. As long as your naked we know it's ok.

are ya sure? not trying to stir the pot, just naive I guess. I thought that the police can do just about anything when they are undercover, short of breaking the law. getting naked really isnt breaking the law, perhaps going through with the action and the transaction is.

 

[Gentleman First]

in another post several LE's went and got "serviced" and said it ws required to gather evidence.
The tax payers are pissed that they spent something like $1,200 on SP's doing so....LOL

So ya, LE can get naked and even have sex apparently....you know, in the name of the job and all

I wonder if the cops wives/ GF's were happy with it

 

[schizo_man]

that was in the states I do believe. their LE seem to have a bit more freedoms. I'm sure that their gfriends were totally understanding

 

[Gentleman First]

that was in the states I do believe. their LE seem to have a bit more freedoms. I'm sure that their gfriends were totally understanding

I went and checked...you are correct it was in the USA.
Thanks for correcting me, i just skimmed the article the first time.

And yes I am sure their SO's were thrilled.....ya know since it was in the line of duty and all

 

[tobi]

How many guys are gonna miss that job? I bet they were lined up to go undercover.

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

Well, here we go again with people selectively reading that Edmonton police website. It's not technically incorrect, but everyone seems to miss the sentence "Performing sexual services in a massage clinic may be illegal if the police can prove the clinic is a place which has as its purpose prostitution."

Or this, from the same Edmonton police website:
http://www.police.edmonton.ab.ca/Pages/Prostitution/PublicInfo/PublicInfoMain.htm

What is illegal?..

•Common bawdy-house -- s. 210: it is illegal to own, operate or even be in a bawdy-house...

The Criminal Code sections that relate to MPs are the ones about common bawdy-houses -- 197(1), 210, and 211. The owner or operator can also be charged with living on the avails of prostitution under section 212.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/41080.html

If the police want to go after a MP or incall, all they have have to do is obtain evidence that the place is used for prostitution. This is done through undercover visits and/or witness testimony. And a HJ for $ is prostitution; it does not have to be BJs or FS.

After they have the evidence, LE can simply show up at any time they choose and charge everyone they find there. All MPAs and customers can face summary charges as "inmates" or "found-ins". They DO NOT have to catch you performing or receiving a sex act, or talking about it. You can be sitting in the waiting room with your clothes on watching TV. Just being inside the place is enough for them to charge you.

 

[S.G. Gibson]

Wasn't there just a Supreme Court ruling about the "bawdy" house laws with respect to swingers clubs where the Supreme Court said something like it isn't enough that what goes on inside is offensive, but rather it has to cause actual harm to the community to shut it down. I think the bawdy house law was written before we had a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. (Thank-you Liberals) So, although the criminal code still allows someone to be charged for sitting in the waiting room watching tv of an mp would it really stand up in court today? (not that I personally want to be the one to test it) Have the bawdy house laws ever been applied to mp's in recent history?

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

Section 210 regarding common bawdy-houses definitely still applies to places used for prostitution. That was not changed by the decision on swingers clubs. That decision related to the part of the definition of "common bawdy-house" in 197. (1) concerning "acts of indecency".

"common bawdy-house" means a place that is
(a) kept or occupied, or
(b) resorted to by one or more persons
for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency

 

[S.G. Gibson]

I understand what you are saying but couldn't you make a similar argument that the prositution part of the law be struck down for the same reason - where is the harm? I just don't see how the government can prohibit two people from having consensual sex in private (whether its for love or money ). It's not the government's or community's business if it is not causing anyone any harm.