Cesspool and world's best soap opera. I know its better for your health to not follow the news and find peace but I can't get away from this trainwreck.
USA Political Thread 2024
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MAGA set out to destroy Biden... and they did it. they did it too well.
this is the kinda thing that the GOP never sent MAGA the memo about... that these engineered issues are designed to perpetually demonize the opposition and motivate the base. they are NOT issues that you want to win! like crashing Roe vs. Wade! even Trump knew that it was a mistake. like fixing immigration... that was about to happen until Trump signalled that it would be another mistake. they were already beating Biden... destroying him was a mistake.
i suspect Kelly the astronaut will get drafted as VP.
this is the kinda thing that the GOP never sent MAGA the memo about... that these engineered issues are designed to perpetually demonize the opposition and motivate the base. they are NOT issues that you want to win! like crashing Roe vs. Wade! even Trump knew that it was a mistake. like fixing immigration... that was about to happen until Trump signalled that it would be another mistake. they were already beating Biden... destroying him was a mistake.
i suspect Kelly the astronaut will get drafted as VP.
Well, this is one way in which the big two parties COORPERATE to maintain their eternal dominance.
When you register to vote you are asked to choose between either the D or the R (or some "indepent" / other / undecided designation) - I mean that right away that biases everyone to choose between that pair.
For all the ways in with the R's and the D's fuck with each other and try to alter the rules against the other, they never propose reforming this part, so that exercising the right to vote is not tied by name to one party or the other. The way the US does primaries encourages that this hard-wiring of 2 party bias into the official voter registration system.
Political parties are private organizations, so why not just leave it solely to peoples' personal initiative to join them and be active members? Could be because if that process was not guiding people into one choice or the other, people might stray and start creating and supporting other newer parties that could compete successfully. Even the idea of other parties existing is treated as an anomaly or afterthought.
As if it were not already enough that between them they have vast competing networks of media, financing, and academic interests. They lock people into the mindset that there are only ever two options, the "choice" was made to narrow the viable options long before anyone ever got near a ballot box.
Easy thing to say, but it robs the Democrats of both agency and responsibility for mismanaging their own affairs.
The Dems have pretty vast resources too, which could be used to foster new blood in the party, to craft effective messaging, to assess the public mood.
For more than a year now, I mean basically since the 2022 midterms were done, it was clear that there was no enthusiasm for another round of "Biden fighting Trump". Well, the "fighting Trump & MAGA fascism" part was popular, sure, but consistently more than half of their own supporters saying they would rather it be someone else to lead that fight. (You know who wanted Biden the most? Republicans.)
Literally every poll has shown how unenthusiastic voters are for either "chosen one" of the Democrat versus Republican contest. The Republicans are not thrilled with Trump and his various scandals, but I suppose they are still more interested in making Democrats cry than whether their own candidate is some kind of crooked jackass.
Voters on both sides were told it was "inevitable" that these would be the nominees, and there was nothing they could do about it. Surprise surprise, they are not happy about it !
Meanwhile, the Republicans had a phony sort of contest in which the main contender could not be bothered to show up to debate, and his current VP nominee was not even in the picture. As much of a fake cakewalk that competition was, at least it existed. At least if that bullet had struck two inches to the right, the R's had some vague sense of who the replacement boss could be, some distant second-place contender who already showed interest in the job.
The Democrats did not even go that far, did not let themselves imagine any other eventuality. Instead, their party brass just arbitrarily decided that there would be no competition to see who would lead them. They just said (without saying it plainly) "If Trump is running, then Biden is running. You do not challenge your own incumbent if he wants to stay, so it's Biden, and we have decided it already". In short the same sort of "our membership does not get to decide this, we do" bullshit that led them to disaster in 2016.
I get that they did not want to diminish Biden's accomplishments as POTUS and many years of hardworking service before that, and the guy deserves credit for getting some very big stuff done while he was in office. But for the sake of not bruising some egos, they were risking losing their country to religious and racial extremists who have openly bragged how they will do much more than just reverse Biden's work, and shall rule through violence. And now that gamble has bitten the Dems in the ass.
Like I said, it is 6 months to a year too late to legitimize someone else through the primary competition process. The Dems will have to pick someone basically by party executive fiat or some convention process to confirm the VP taking the helm, maybe only having a competition over who her VP would be if she wins. And that allows the GOP to make all sorts of mischief regarding the process (which they have already begun). Plus they have to make their new candidate seem likable or at least relatable to ordinary people, which I am not sure they can, given the track record so far.
Is any of this fair or right ? NO. But for a long time now they have known the only way they can defeat their enemy is by not defeating themselves first.
I think someone like Harris rules out these choices, regardless of their personal record or competence.
Ditto someone like Gavin Newsom, who has the profile for it, but having two Californians on the same ticket would not win them any places they really need to reach people.
Beshear was mentioned, makes some sense. Probably need a swing state person whose got some chance of connecting with the working class.
If only JD Vance was available, because his opinion that Trump is a low-life is well established.
Ah, the old Putin / Medvedev ---> Medvedev/Putin thing. That'll play well, especially among the Dems.
"The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the party that wins this election." -Nikki Haley, January 2024
I recently heard on a radio news broadcast that Donald Trump said that the RNC should get it's money back. I can't find a source for it; but if it is accurate I can understand how he would feel like a lot of people who went into business with him: Ripped off.
You see the Republicans were ready to fight Joe. They were relying on his "fighting Irish" heritage. His crotchety determination to NOT stop. To stay in the fight. Something few people earn by living on this planet for EIGHT DECADES! Every time it was suggested that he quit he said NO.
And now we've just finished four days of an uninterrupted bitchfest. A lot of time and effort and money went into blaming Biden and the Democrats for. . . well everything.
We wake up Sunday and POOF! Joe's gone! WTF? !
I think this was a Ninja level move by Joe. To be honest, I don't think it was planned that way but, I feel that's how it's going to turn out.
In his stead is an intelligent, well educated, politically experienced young mixed race woman. Basically the worst nightmare of most Republicans. They knew what to expect from Joe, now they're not so sure.
I feel that there are now 10's of millions of American voters who can more easily identify with her than Donny. Based on gender alone. Never mind ethnicity and age. She's 39. Literally HALF Donny's age.
Not all Republicans support Trump. I mean he's always going to have his base. The narrow minded, militant, xenophobic, border line racists who are willing to line up behind Trump to ensure he never needs to use toilet paper ever again. And they'll be around for trump 2.0, whoever that'll be.
In Pennsylvania Nikki Haley received more than 157,000 votes back in April AFTER she dropped out of the GOP primary. So perhaps some of these voters will vote for the person who wasn't involved in overturning Rowe v. Wade, and inciting an insurrection and a sex offender etc. etc.
I enjoyed the fact that she didn't pull any punches.
". . .I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type, And in this campaign I will proudly, proudly pit my record against his."
It's going to be interesting. I think they have a fight on their hands and it'll be interesting watching all of the Ratpublicans deserting the S.S. Trump in the final days as his campaign sinks slowly out of sight.
You see the Republicans were ready to fight Joe. They were relying on his "fighting Irish" heritage. His crotchety determination to NOT stop. To stay in the fight. Something few people earn by living on this planet for EIGHT DECADES! Every time it was suggested that he quit he said NO.
And now we've just finished four days of an uninterrupted bitchfest. A lot of time and effort and money went into blaming Biden and the Democrats for. . . well everything.
We wake up Sunday and POOF! Joe's gone! WTF? !
I think this was a Ninja level move by Joe. To be honest, I don't think it was planned that way but, I feel that's how it's going to turn out.
In his stead is an intelligent, well educated, politically experienced young mixed race woman. Basically the worst nightmare of most Republicans. They knew what to expect from Joe, now they're not so sure.
I feel that there are now 10's of millions of American voters who can more easily identify with her than Donny. Based on gender alone. Never mind ethnicity and age. She's 39. Literally HALF Donny's age.
Not all Republicans support Trump. I mean he's always going to have his base. The narrow minded, militant, xenophobic, border line racists who are willing to line up behind Trump to ensure he never needs to use toilet paper ever again. And they'll be around for trump 2.0, whoever that'll be.
In Pennsylvania Nikki Haley received more than 157,000 votes back in April AFTER she dropped out of the GOP primary. So perhaps some of these voters will vote for the person who wasn't involved in overturning Rowe v. Wade, and inciting an insurrection and a sex offender etc. etc.
I enjoyed the fact that she didn't pull any punches.
". . .I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type, And in this campaign I will proudly, proudly pit my record against his."
It's going to be interesting. I think they have a fight on their hands and it'll be interesting watching all of the Ratpublicans deserting the S.S. Trump in the final days as his campaign sinks slowly out of sight.
Kamala Harris is 59. Don’t need republicans calling her immature and unqualified haha.
So, when’s the debate??
My bet is Orange man wusses out.
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How many important jobs did Harris have in 4 years. I can only name one. She was the border czar. She didn't even care to go to the border. Yet in a matter of days she went from an afterthought to God like.
Trump’s camp is already making excuses.
Kamala was supposed to do a VP debate or whatever and that can’t be changed.
Trump being the filthy pig that he is, it’s not surprising to see his magats using the “slept her way to the top” argument. Fukn misogynistic assholes.
"border czar"? what does that even mean? she was never tasked with overseeing border operations.
what are you talking about?
can't be changed? it wasn't even set up yet, the orange clown just picked the guy a week ago
there was no date set for a VP debate
The convict/rapist said he will debate Harris.
Based on how rarely he tells the truth, there will most likely not be a debate.
Based on how rarely he tells the truth, there will most likely not be a debate.
the first thing they do in this article is blame the Biden admin for global inflation! thats another ridiculous claim...
the department of homeland security is responsible for the border and that secretary reports to the president... not the VP. and Biden took various executive actions like them or not. Harris was tasked with the impossible really, addressing central american immigration at the government level. thats a 10 or 20 year job... that may never yield results when you have american agro businesses operating in the area to deal with. really, get educated on whats happening. central america is rich in agro and mining... but that shit is mostly owned by US enterprises that fund totalitarian regimes ensuring low labor costs and little feedback of that money into local economies.
but believe what you like. she may be a wash on border policy but she was not the "border czar" for the last four years.
Fake DNC news. The money was going to a Super PAC. Consider it entertainment at this point with the lies.
Elon Musk backs down from $45 million a month pledge to Trump: ‘I don't subscribe to cult of personality’ | Fortune (archive.ph)
The mania will die down with Harris, no body can go from that to almighty without the real self coming exposed.
Elon Musk backs down from $45 million a month pledge to Trump: ‘I don't subscribe to cult of personality’ | Fortune (archive.ph)
The mania will die down with Harris, no body can go from that to almighty without the real self coming exposed.
My bad. Late night (for me) post.
49th Vice President of the United States
Incumbent
Assumed office January 20, 2021
President Joe Biden
Preceded by Mike Pence
United States Senator from California
In office January 3, 2017 – January 18, 2021
Preceded by Barbara Boxer
Succeeded by Alex Padilla
32nd Attorney General of California
In office January 3, 2011 – January 3, 2017
Governor Jerry Brown
Preceded by Jerry Brown
Succeeded by Xavier Becerra
27th District Attorney of San Francisco
In office January 8, 2004 – January 3, 2011
Preceded by Terence Hallinan
Succeeded by George Gascón
I'm guessing her resume is substantially more impressive than yours (or anyone else here at Perb).
Republicans are ALREADY starting to screw up.
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