USA are Boyscouts Compared to the Peoples Republic of China and other Regimes

[Fudd]

INVASION AND ILLEGAL ANNEXATION OF TIBET

I've been reading all kinds of rants about how evil the USA are and how they abuse prisoners. Well I think it's getting a little over done and getting too much air time. The US are boyscouts compared to the Peoples Reublic of China. The Chinese are brutal mother fuckers, they routinely detain innocent people, torture, rape and kill decedents. Hell they are occupying and brutalizing a country full of Budist Pacifist who I think are much more disserving of our support that a bunch of head chopping, terrorist. Yes, "TERRORIST" not fucking Iraqi Freedom Fighter!!!

I remember a protest in front of the Chinese Embassy a year ago, there was barely 20 people. But the anti US protest gets thousands people showing up. These idiots have got to get their heads out of the sand and realize that there are REAL Tyrannical Regimes out there!!!!

The Chinese even brutalize their own people. Hey remember Tiananmen??

And don't forget things like forced abortions and sterilizations.

FORCED STERILIZATION, ABORTIONS

I bet these people would love to be under US occupation as opposed these Tyrannical Regimes. I don't see people wanting to immigrate to Iraq or China.

Don't forget about regimes like:
Iran
North Korea
Cuba
Saudia Arabia
Vietnam - If the US had stayed, they would be a free and democratic society by now.
Syria
and others you can suggest.

 

[hornydude]

Yup

China is at the tipping point...its society could flourish under an umbrella of staggering economic growth and gradual political liberalization, or it could turn into the greatest fascist empire the world has ever known.

The good news is that while there has been scant real effort made in the West to influence China towards rule of law and democracy, there is a huge thirst for liberalization within the country.

Personally, I hold out gret hope for China. It's the places like Saudi Arabia and Russia that I think may never go the right way.

Also, all the bleeding hearts make fun of Texas for executing a few dozen people every year, but are somehow mum when it comes to the 10,000+ people China executes very year (often for petty crimes so that local bureaucrats can fill performance quotas for keeping law and order).

Maybe Western liberals don't think people with yelow skins really warrant much protest??? Nah, couldn't be, they're not like that!

 

[barrys]

historic background

Tibet question has been debated for many years

Tibet was conquered by Imperial Ch ing dynasty long before the European occupied north america and brutalising the natives. now making countries and states out of other's land.

situation in Tibet is different today. CRP routinely provide funding to develope support the relatively poor region. quite simply, Tibet do need support from the mainland in order to sustain their region.

Dalai Lama himself was actually invited to be the chairman of the people's congress when Mao took over after 1950 before he was mysteriously took away by his aid citing threat to his safety, and began his life of "exile".

About execution, yeah China doesn't need organ donor because they do have plently supply from executions. In my opinion, I think death penalty is necessary in the current state of China (very similar to USA during the pre depression era, but with much much higher population)where people would do anything to get rich.

Force Abortion and Sterilisation no longer exists, it was the birth control frenzy back in the 80s. Now people do have to pay a penalty for extra children.

No the Chinese people would rather die than ruled by any other countries.

 

[yogi]

We're better than PRC? Big Deal!

China is executing mass numbers of people for such crimes as burglary, after a mock trial.

We (I'm an American) hold ourselves to a higher standard of decency, respect for rights, freedom, & democracy than most of the world. We pride ourselves as being the leader in promoting these values. So to say we aren't as bad as China is actually pretty sad that that is the standard we must now compare in order to feel good about ourselves. How far we have slid...
"We torture or murder prisoners of war, we sentence to death profoundly retarded minors in Texas....but hey, we're better than PRC! Aren't we terrific?!"

 

[JFK]

timec or bushpilot,

no long winded comment on how china is just using american like tactics?

or do your support this sort of abuse?

HFS

1- The reason for war in Iraq was to free the people from a dictatorship.

2- According to you, China is worse than Iraq.

3- Why doesn't Bush attack China to free people and instead tries to develop even more trade?

 

[Beldar Conehead]

Tibet question has been debated for many years


situation in Tibet is different today. CRP routinely provide funding to develope support the relatively poor region. quite simply, Tibet do need support from the mainland in order to sustain their region.

Dalai Lama himself was actually invited to be the chairman of the people's congress when Mao took over after 1950 before he was mysteriously took away by his aid citing threat to his safety, and began his life of "exile".

You may want to check your sources. Since the Chinese so called "Liberated" the people of Tibet they have tried their best to exterminate the people and culture of Tibet. Over 1.2 million Tibetans have died with over 300,000 tortured or executed. They still engage in manditory sterizlation and population transfer. Today 1 in 4 in the TAR is Chinese. They have destroyed over 2000 temples. All of China's nuclear tests are conducted in Tibet. I could go on and on.

As far as the Dalai Lama goes, today in Tibet it is illegal to speak his name or have any printed reference to him. I was in Lhasa two years ago and the biggest building next to the Potala was a prison. Our guide, a local Tibetan told us displaying the Tibetan flag in public could lead to sumary exicution.

If the Americans killed 1.2 million Iraqis and destroyed 2000 mosques we would have world war 3. We've just learned to turn a blind eye to China.

 

[BushPilot]

timec or bushpilot,

no long winded comment on how china is just using american like tactics?

or do your support this sort of abuse?

HFS

First of all, this is the most pathetic attempt at trying to justify the wrongful actions of the USA in Iraq, or as part of it's past foreign policy that I've heard in a long time. I agree with yogi that we are supposed to lead by example and hold ourselves to the highest possible standard so that we can in turn pull other nations' standards up to our level. We shouldn't justify the mistakes that we make by claiming that we're not so bad in comparison to another nation. And when I say we, I am speaking of western democracies, as a whole.
Second of all, I'm not the least bit surprised that someone like you, HFS, sees this as a black and white issue. You think that I must either engage in a defense of China in comparison to the USA or I must support the abuses that have been mentioned. Is your smugness in making such a post based on the fact that I haven't commented in the twenty hours since the original post was made? Well then, let me apologise for sleeping and working, rather than being here to make such a comment.
Let me clear something up. I don't support the actions of the the PRC with regards to Tibet, Tianneman Square, or any other human rights violations they continue to engage in. Nor do I support the actions of the USA in Iraq, or many other places around the world. I haven't made the claim that the USA is worse than China.
To clarify my point, General Augusto Pinochet of Chile was a bad man. He ran one of the most brutal regimes the world has seen in the past fifty years. However, when compared to Hitler or Stalin, Pinochet looks like a boyscout. Should we then forgive Pinochet since he wasn't as bad as those other guys? Give me a break. I'm not about to forget that the USA is doing bad things just because China is doing worse things.
And Fudd, by pointing out that there are other evil regimes in the world, such as Saudi Arabia, Syria, and North Korea, you only emphasise the hypocracy of the current USA foreign policy. We know from the Americans' own commission that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that Iraq had no connection to al Qaeda prior to the invasion, and that Iraq posed no direct threat to the USA or its allies. So, if the only reason for invading was to bring freedom to the Iraqi people, why isn't Bush advocating invasion of any other brutal regime that denies its citizens political freedom?

 

[hornydude]

Well

Why does the US consider Cuba so dangerous and evil that it has to maintain a total economic embargo against them?

I heard Cuban cigars can give you lung cancer...maybe that's why?

(Sorry, just trying to keep things light for a change)

 

[dittman]

maybe because cyba is 90 miles away

 

[Fudd]

Here we go again, Iraqi war getting more air time.

 

[rick hunter]

maybe because cyba is 90 miles away

And your point Dittman? The U.S. is just as hypcrotical (sp) as everyone else. Only reason for the embargo is so they can pander to the Cuban exiles in Miami, nothing more and nothing less. So please don't trot out the argument about them being a Communist country since last I checked China and Vietnam still were and you guys trade with them?

The States also loves to whine about how China and North Korea will sell weapons to rogue states but when India complained about the U.S. selling to Pakistan that is ok? Geez another case of double standards.

 

[Fudd]

The flapping of a butterfly's wings

I don't think the many Tibetians would want nations going to war over their struggle, however I do think we can held in other ways.

It is said that the flapping of a butterfly's wing can set off a tornado in another part of the world. Well this buttErfly is going to do some flapping and not just with his dick.

LET'S HELP FREE TIBET AND BOYCOTT PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA. ESPECIALLY THE ELECTRONICS WHICH IS A MAJOR PART OR THEIR ECONOMY. TELL YOU FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

THERE ARE 14,021 MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD WE CAN "ALL" MAKE THIS WORK.

REMEMBER A LITTLE PRIEST FROM POLAND HELP BRING DOWN THE COMMUNIST IN EUROPE.

 

[Fudd]

"We pride ourselves as being the leader in promoting these values. So to say we aren't as bad as China is actually pretty sad"

Didn't mean to put down the USA for the actions of just a few jarheads. Sorry.

 

[dittman]

very rarely do i get pissed off about a post, usually i laugh alot but enoush is enough. f*vk off rick hunter i had no point wasnt trying to make a point.

 

[cire]

INVASION AND ILLEGAL ANNEXATION OF TIBET

I bet these people would love to be under US occupation as opposed these Tyrannical Regimes.

Do you realize how funny this is? Almost as funny as "I bet these people would love to be under JAPAN occupation as opposed these Tyrannical Regimes."

 

[2.5Ggtv6]

First of all, this is the most pathetic attempt at trying to justify the wrongful actions of the USA in Iraq, or as part of it's past foreign policy that I've heard in a long time. I agree with yogi that we are supposed to lead by example and hold ourselves to the highest possible standard so that we can in turn pull other nations' standards up to our level. We shouldn't justify the mistakes that we make by claiming that we're not so bad in comparison to another nation. And when I say we, I am speaking of western democracies, as a whole.
Second of all, I'm not the least bit surprised that someone like you, HFS, sees this as a black and white issue. You think that I must either engage in a defense of China in comparison to the USA or I must support the abuses that have been mentioned. Is your smugness in making such a post based on the fact that I haven't commented in the twenty hours since the original post was made? Well then, let me apologise for sleeping and working, rather than being here to make such a comment.
Let me clear something up. I don't support the actions of the the PRC with regards to Tibet, Tianneman Square, or any other human rights violations they continue to engage in. Nor do I support the actions of the USA in Iraq, or many other places around the world. I haven't made the claim that the USA is worse than China.
To clarify my point, General Augusto Pinochet of Chile was a bad man. He ran one of the most brutal regimes the world has seen in the past fifty years. However, when compared to Hitler or Stalin, Pinochet looks like a boyscout. Should we then forgive Pinochet since he wasn't as bad as those other guys? Give me a break. I'm not about to forget that the USA is doing bad things just because China is doing worse things.
And Fudd, by pointing out that there are other evil regimes in the world, such as Saudi Arabia, Syria, and North Korea, you only emphasise the hypocracy of the current USA foreign policy. We know from the Americans' own commission that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that Iraq had no connection to al Qaeda prior to the invasion, and that Iraq posed no direct threat to the USA or its allies. So, if the only reason for invading was to bring freedom to the Iraqi people, why isn't Bush advocating invasion of any other brutal regime that denies its citizens political freedom?

So what are you saying here? Do you support the idea of invasion by western powers to unseat these dictatorships (China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Sudan etc.) Or do you advocate some other course of action? If you have stated your opinion on this in another post forgive me but i don't feel like searching for it .

For those who believe that America and the rest of the western democracies should use their military power to unseat these brutal governments yet denounce the invasion of iraq as being hypocritical, please use your heads. Do you people want to fight a third world war? Do you think that America, even with all of Europes help, actually has the means to invade China, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea etc all at the same time?? And think also, that China and norht Korea have nuclear weapons. We cant just invade them, or even threaten them too hard on trade issues. Iraq was invaded because it was a brutal dictatorship and because it had oil. It was also a threat to US allies such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It was a smart move to remove Saddams government before they did develop a nuclear weapon, as North Korea reportedly has. If the invasion had not taken place, perhaps another dictator would be threatening his neighbors with Nuclear war.

 

[timec98]

Fudd, at least your self espoused liberal claims and misguided position on Iraq can help shape hornydude’s continued education --- that liberalism doesn’t equate to pacifism.

When you focus on beheadings or prison torture you’ve bought into the propaganda spin from both sides. Ones position on the U.S. occupation of Iraq should be measured against principles of law, the bigger picture, and shouldn’t be clouded by the shock value visuals. To attempt to validate ones position by measuring it against the relative brutalities played out across the globe is, to say the least, short sighted. The unilateral “shock and awe” self serving actions taken by the U.S. against Iraq have never been about the much hyped “freedom march”.

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[BushPilot]

So what are you saying here? Do you support the idea of invasion by western powers to unseat these dictatorships (China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Sudan etc.) Or do you advocate some other course of action? If you have stated your opinion on this in another post forgive me but i don't feel like searching for it .

For those who believe that America and the rest of the western democracies should use their military power to unseat these brutal governments yet denounce the invasion of iraq as being hypocritical, please use your heads. Do you people want to fight a third world war? Do you think that America, even with all of Europes help, actually has the means to invade China, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea etc all at the same time?? And think also, that China and norht Korea have nuclear weapons. We cant just invade them, or even threaten them too hard on trade issues. Iraq was invaded because it was a brutal dictatorship and because it had oil. It was also a threat to US allies such as Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It was a smart move to remove Saddams government before they did develop a nuclear weapon, as North Korea reportedly has. If the invasion had not taken place, perhaps another dictator would be threatening his neighbors with Nuclear war.

What I'm saying is that justifying American actions and excesses by pointing at another, worse offender, is something akin to Paul Bernardo claiming he's not so bad, because he only killed three people while Clifford Olson killed more than a dozen. By lowering our standards, we cheapen all those high ideals that we hold so dear. Also, it's hypocritical to make claims that the invasion of Iraq was justifiable because Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator. If that's the case, why are brutal dictators of oil rich countries the only ones who need to be deposed? As for your idea that he needed to be deposed because he posed a threat to the USA, its allies, and his neighbours, that's a load of BS. His capabilities were reduced to almost nil. He could terrorise only parts of his own country, and could do nothing against his neighbours.

 

[timec98]

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[hugedman]

damn

Damn,

and who supported Saddam Hussein's regime??