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Gillian

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Its my turn now,
1)RobBc- Thank you. I enjoyed our time together as well as the great conversation. I am looking forward to seeing you again! :)

2)captainbob- I am sorry you weren't satisfied, but I at no point tried to rush you out. On further note, I do share the appartment with two other ladies, and they have appointments as well. Pm me if you wish, and give me the oppertunity to make this up to you.

3)dufferin- I would love to be the bigger person and apologise to you, but it is you who owes the apology. My version of the story is different than yours. I am sorry if you felt I was distant, I am a very cuddly person. As far as the "boygerms" comment, it was said very jokingly, not meant to put you off. Now, as for the cold hands, they were freezing and the suggestion to rub you wrists together is a trick I learnt when I was trained in massage. As for the comment of no touching, we had a great banter going so I again apologise if it was taken out of context.
Now for the good stuff, if that is what you think happened...its not.
Your version said you were leaning in to nibble, in my opinion, you pushed me down aggressively. It freaked me out and I did say that I would like to be treated with respect and not as a posable doll. I also said that it made me uncomfortable to be pushed. Also that, I am more than willing to try all positions, just not be 'put' in to them. Just ask, or move me gently and I will always comply. You looked at me coldly and said that you didn't think that this would work out. I apoligised if I had offended you by saying that, but in my line of work I need to feel comforitable and safe not scared and threatened.
You said that we had a chat about 'boundries'. I thought that I was just explaining why I was uncomfortable. Regardless of how I was feeling, I did try to finish the appointment and with our chatting (which I thought that we both enjoyed) I was surprised when you were insistant on leaving. I felt that you had rudely offered me the 80 dollars, and since, as far as I remember the appointment was closer to half over that wasn't really fair. I did offer to give you half your money back which you took and explained that we had only just started that part of the appointment and again was more than willing to make ammends and finish the appointment. I gave you half the money back and put the rest on the counter and you said that was 'fair' and that you understood. Then you stood half way to the door and half way to the money on the counter. You seemed agressive and agitated and looked as though you were going to grab for the money on the counter. Not to try to reveal anything personal, but because of your physique, I was quite intimidated. I still moved up towards the door, gave you a nice hug and did say that I was sorry that it didn't work out the way you had planned which I thought was more than fair considering what had just happened in the room.
I realise now that you are a prominant poster, but even if I had known before, your treatment towards me would still have been unexceptable.
To all the others that have posted (that have never met me) and now don't want to see me based on this one review, I would hope that it would be taken with a huge grain of salt. If anyone expects that they will be able to pin me down or be forcefull, please don't call me. I think that if someone wants that type of service, they should ask if the SP is submissive first, on the phone. This wasn't a cash and dash or a bait and switch, so I would prefer not to be refered to as a 'rip off', especially by someone who hasn't seen me. I realise that to some of you it doesn't matter whether or not I respond, you have already made up your mind. And yes, I am sure it will hurt my business, and already has, but no matter what my state of mind, safety and sense of security are far more important to me. I would hope that you would all want the same for SP's so that we are able to be here to see you again. I would think that your decision not to see me would be based more than just on this. I have more favorable than negative reviews. Also, in all honesty I am 32 and when my clients ask me how old I am, I do tell them, I have nothing to hide. It is hard to advertise that age when there are women in this business far older than me who advertise as the same age I do. . Dufferin, I don't believe that I could 'make this up to you' in your opinion, and see no reason why we should try again due to our 'lack of chemistry'. I thought that we had settled things on a nicer note than what you implied in your review, and don't understand why you are now trying to destroy my business. I agree that bad things should always be posted, that is what this board is for. Maybe next time, you should be more forthcoming on your actions, as well as mine.

~Gillian~
 

Hipster Doofus

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wow! yer a fucking idiot!
I ain't taking sides in this one but Gillian is a petite gal that might/ would be intimidated by large fellows. Knowing a little bit of some of the violence in her past that she's had to endure it seems likely.

And Dufferin doesnt seem to be one of those posters that take "liberties" with the ladies nor the aggressive type.

Maybe just a misunderstanding and the wrong read of body language?

I dunno - I've spooked escorts before but then again - I'm SPOOKY!

bwhaha!
 

RobBC

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Gillian said:
Its my turn now,
1)RobBc- Thank you. I enjoyed our time together as well as the great conversation. I am looking forward to seeing you again! :)


Aww, shucks thanks. :D Yeah, it has definately been too long since I saw you, so a repeat visit might be in order. :)

Just also wanted to add my 2c, that (like hifisex) I can't believe I'm saying this but Hip's probably right, just a misread of body language and such. And yes, Hipster is spooky. ;)

Perhaps this one should be a lesson for posters on here. As far as "negative" reviews go, this was pretty fair, as both sides were given the opportunity to present their version of the facts. Much better than a one-sided "oh god she just ripped me off, what a #$@$" review.
 

chuck1561

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Hipster Doofus said:
LOL! Why does everyone begrudgling admit that I'm "probably right"?

Hey RobBC! do ya like PEE photos? bwhaha!
ewwwwwwwww...oh wait sorry HD you were asking RobBC..;)
 

Ariel

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I am aware that YMMV according to how each lady feels. I think its important to hear both sides of the story. It sounds to me like Gillian was possibly haing an "off night"(no independant could stay in this biz unless she was truly special") and felt threatened. On the other hand if Dufferins desires were to plAY abit rough that shouldn't have been a problem either. I think we should call it as is : Two people that lacked chemistry and misunderstanding was the result. Guys if you like tobe abit forceful in your ways don't book with Gillian.. Otherwise based on reviews i think you can rely on her to be a more than acceptable provider.
 

hornyboy

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dufferin said:
i though about something on my way to work so i decided to come back home and post it.

This pushing issue has come up with me in an experience i had in December with another SP.
I'm a pretty big guy too. I think that it's important to recognize that often you don't know your own strength and can easily hurt someone without meaning to.

On your first visit to an SP, you don't know her and she doesn't know you or what to expect. IMO, this is bound to happen, sooner or later.

I hope that both you and Gillian feel a bit better about the whole thing. Live and learn and so on.

h
 

yogi

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Perhaps Gillian should specify on the phone that she doesn't want big guys.

I had a girlfriend who was beaten as a child. Certain positions that seemed to me very common ended up leaving her totally freaked out. Post-traumatic stress disorder can be triggered by anything: facial expression, smell, tone of voice, etc.

I see both sides having some validity.
 

chuck1561

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Not taking sides here...

and also not to put out any personal info on anyone..but I have had the pleasure of meeting Duff..and he's not that big a guy.. a little taller than me but I'm 5'4" and he's not a bulky guy so Im not sure what Gillian is referring too. again not taking sides but lets be fair here..he's hardly and intimidating individual..but that's my opinion..:cool:
 

chuck1561

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loves2learn said:
As for size, chuck, not trying to "get into it" but size often doesn't have a lot to intimidation. Again... I haven't met Duff, and I'm not saying he is, or is not, an intimating guy....
Yes I do agree but if you read this part of her post..
You seemed agressive and agitated and looked as though you were going to grab for the money on the counter. Not to try to reveal anything personal, but because of your physique, I was quite intimidated.
that is what she was intimidated by in this case..or that is the way it came across to me by the above statement..anyway..as previously mentioned Iam not taking sides ..but having met the man myself..he didn't come across as that type of individual..
 

Gillian

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First I would like to say that I am quite hurt by all of this. Actually, not even so much Duff and our experience, but by the judgment made on me without any other information. We all know that not everyone in the world is compatible with everyone else. So, in my own opinion, I tried to express myself as a professional and as a person who always tries to care about any of my encounters.

For the record, I don't lie on the phone or try to make promises that I can't keep. I was not having an "off-night", I clearly stated in my post that I was enjoying duff's company and conversation.
I do not provide "shitty" service, as long as I'm treated with a little respect, I don't care how old, how fat, how lacking in talent, etc. you are, I am there to be your friend, lover, fuck-buddy, and I honestly do care that you have the most pleasurable experience.

I have had alot of pm's today, all supportive and I've also read all the posts, good, bad and ugly. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and yes I did learn alot from this experience.

So..thank you all for the positive and the negative posts. Duff and I have both expressed our views, and I am done trying to defend myself. Time to walk away, take a deep breath, and count to 10.

~Gillian~

To Chuck, you are not a woman, you are not an escort and you are not alone in a hotel room in an unfamilliar city. For someone whos 'not taking sides', I never said that he was a huge man. Try to imagine my situation at hand, do you think you would have been comfortable?
 

chuck1561

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Gillian said:
To Chuck, you are not a woman, you are not an escort and you are not alone in a hotel room in an unfamilliar city. For someone whos 'not taking sides', I never said that he was a huge man. Try to imagine my situation at hand, do you think you would have been comfortable?
Gillian I don't appreciate the label you are assigning to me..Iam all for both sides of the story and I know that Iam not an escort and alone with the client etc...but I also have met duff and was simply stating my opinion (as you said you were intimidated by his physique) as it is unfair of you to paint him as an abusive person which is the way it came across in open forum..anyone who reads my posts knows that Iam nothing but fair and for you to imply now that Iam somehow trying to be against you is rediculous..You yourself know my posting history and have commented to me via pm about it being complimentary I might add so please don't lable me as being against you especially since I've posted nothing but postitive things regarding you in other threads..if you were uncomfortable with the situation at the time that is understandable but you are no longer in that situation and the things that have said here can have an effect on peoples lives Both Yours and Duffs..speaking about walking away and taking a deep breath and counting to 10 ..off I go
 

Ariel

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I would love to stick up for a fellow sp here but in this case i can't. Both Chuck and Dufferin are 2 well respected people on this board and if anything i have seen them be more on an sp's side than a perbert. Fact is it was poor service no matter who or what.. No chemistry or a bad day then send your client out the door. If i am wrong Gillian then i apologize. It's hard to believe statements of an agressive big guy when others tell us otherwise.
 

Kev

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The problem lies with Gillian being petite. Not Duff being a big guy. Unless since the last time we met hes been at the gym pumping iron (no pun intended) and shooting steroids. Whats a big guy you ask? A big guy is someone over 6 feet and 200 pounds. Some on this board got poor Duff signed up for WWE.

I think i could take him. :D --- Kev
 

James

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Well, for what it's worth.......

I have spent some time with the lovely Gillian in the past, and would happily do so again. In fact, I had planned on trying to contact her last night, but my travel plans didn't unwind as intended.

Man, talk about two sides of the story.....

It's been quite a while, but I remember a lovely smile, a killer body, and a good time! If she's 25 or 32 or 42, so what? If the service is there, it'll be a fine time. Besides which, there's more than a few who have been advertising that they're 19 for at least a few years......

You youngsters may well have some fun with an "older" gal!

Next time Gillian!
 

Gillian

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Desertdog,
Thank you for trying to speak for me, but rest assured you don't read my private messages,(only one was from a sp).
I at no point yelled anything. I have not warned anyone away from duff as what occured between us has no relection on his seeing/reviewing other escorts. As far as his personal info, I have only what he himself sent after the posts started flying. I am not vindictive, and would never divulge his info. That is his alone to share with whomever he wishes.

~Gillian~
 

BillyC

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I had the pleasure of getting together with Gillian along with friends Amy & Jenna a while back and would just like to say she was nothing but friendly and willing to have lot's of fun. Can't wait to get together with them again.

OneK
 

DDawGG

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WTF???? desertdog

why is everyone hell bent on getting involved in this?

this involved 2 people yet many more are playing the "he said...she said" game.

back to the sidelines where I belong, anyone else care to join me?
 
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