Trudeau how can he win the next election

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storm rider

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All politicians are Hypocrites, no exceptions. Their main agenda is first to do anything to get power, and once in control we can see where their real priorities lie.

Jobs are important, but we need to realise at what cost we must pay to keep those jobs. Justin Trudeau had no problem killing thousands of Jobs in BC/Alberta by killing the KM pipeline in the name of environmentalism, but equally has no problem 'saving jobs' for a corrupt and criminally convicted corporation SNC Lavalin by obstructing justice and interfering with the independent judicial process he sings praises of.

I've learned to live with a certain amount of hypocrisy. It's expected and i can tolerate it to a certain extent. I can't tolerate criminality.
Jobs "possibly" lost in Quebec are pegged at 8800......fuck Alberta has seen well over 100,000 people lose their jobs in the oil sector since 2014 and I have SEEN it directly when people have been Pink Slipped and told not to come to work and I have delivered
their personal stuff in boxes to their homes.The other day I had to grab a jug of washer fluid so I hit a Superstore and the conversation was about this scandal.The gal working the till said that she used to have an administration job with an oil company and she has not been employed in the oil sector since 2014.....she was working at a menial job because she swallowed her pride because she still has to pay the bills etc.

The last Lieberal scandal was the Sposorship Administration Program.....ADSCAM.....when Chretien and company stole 250 Million in taxpayer money and doled it out to cronies in Quebec.

This new scandal now has a name.....LAVSCAM.....for how the Lieberals tried to manipulate the Justice System in favour of a Lieberal Crony in Quebec.

Under Harper Canadians did not see any kind of scandal like this......and if anyone wants to raise the subject of the Duffy Senate fiasco....well you can shove Mac Harb right up your ass....the Lieberal Senator whose illegal expenses were more than Duffy/Brazeau/Wallin combined and were paid back in a single lump sum and he resigned/got swept under the rug by the media so the Lieberals could sling the mud and the media could use it to influence the 2015 hustings.

LAVSCAM is the worst case of corruption in the history of Canadian politics.

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Imagine you’re Justin Trudeau.

The SNC-Lavalin scandal has been battering your government for weeks. Your story keeps shifting. The usually docile media aren’t letting it rest. Even a thousand coordinated tweets about the positive impact of the Canada Child Benefit can’t change the channel.

On the contrary, l’affair SNC—now christened LavScam—is picking up steam.

You’ve been forced to accept the resignation of your good friend and top advisor, Gerry Butts, who showed himself the door despite doing absolutely nothing wrong on SNC. Your boy Buttsy jumped on the SNC grenade to spare others the damage.

Only Butts missed the grenade. Completely.

Even worse, Jody Wilson-Raybould—i.e. the grenade-launcher—is now before the Justice Committee. She’s (relatively) free to speak and she is letting loose. And now the shrapnel is everywhere, and everyone is bleeding.

READ MORE: Jody Wilson-Raybould’s opening statement at justice committee: Full transcript

You’re bleeding. Your chief of staff is bleeding. Your Quebec advisor is bleeding. Your policy guy is bleeding. Your big-spending, do-nothing finance minister is bleeding. Your finance minister’s chief of staff is bleeding. And the “non-partisan” clerk of the Privy Council—i.e. your own personal pick for the post? Well, Michael Wernick is soiled. Comprehensively soiled. And bleeding.

It’s riveting testimony. The media are typing as if their lives depend on it. The cable guys are running the full hearing. And ordinary people are watching, because it’s not every day you see a member of a government strafe its leadership. Strafe you.

Only strafe isn’t the word. It’s more of a shiv. There is no emotion or hysteria. There is ice in Jody Wilson-Raybould’s veins and a steely determination as she coolly, calmly and credibly outlines the myriad ways your political and bureaucratic apparatus attempted to impress upon her independent mind the need to have another think on SNC, despite her repeated attempts to everyone—including you—that her thinking on the matter was all done.

You’re watching this all go down, and it is devastating. Your government is in peril. You’re in peril. You’re staring a return to your career of part-time drama teaching right in the face.

RELATED: Paul Wells: The moral catastrophe of Justin Trudeau

And so you decide it’s time to fight back. Because the cast of fifth-rate clowns you sent to fill the Liberal seats at the justice committee certainly didn’t do any fighting back. They not only missed the grenades, they picked them up, played with them, and then didn’t even realize when they went off in their faces.

But that’s all right. You’re Justin Trudeau. Mr. Sunny Ways. Mr. Hope and Hard Work. You got this. So you wheel yourself out to ‘push back’ against Wilson-Raybould’s allegations.

Only you don’t push back.

You don’t counter Wilson-Raybould’s facts and recollections with any of your own. You don’t dispute what was said, even about your alleged direct personal involvement, other than to say you disagree with Wilson-Raybould’s “characterization” of events.

And it stinks.

It stinks as you moan about a difficult couple of weeks because of “internal disagreements.” It stinks as you reference your success in making it easier to die, and your success in making it easier to get high. It stinks as you talk about your job being to stand up for jobs and pensions, to stand up for Canadians, and for Canadian workers, and all in an overly dramatic tone that suggests that no other prime minister has ever had that in their job description. It stinks as you speak about anything other than what Canadians need to hear from you.

READ MORE: How many times did Jody Wilson-Raybould need to say ‘No’?

And you say all of this nothing in front of a carefully crafted human backdrop meant to demonstrate your love of youth and diversity. Except the youth look like they’re in a hostage video (they are). Your human backdrop even includes your new MP, Rachel Bendayan, who is standing over your shoulder tonight playing the role of Huma Abedin while you step all over your wiener.
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There isn’t a hint of contrition, or even a speck of responsibility for letting things get this far. No acknowledgment that Wilson-Raybould has laid out a set of serious charges that require serious answers. Your focus remains political.

When you’re asked about Andrew Scheer’s call for your resignation over the seriousness of these allegations, you mumble something about Stephen Harper being a bad man and this coming election being about a choice, blithely assuming you’ll still be in function to see it out. And when you’re asked about Wilson-Raybould remaining in the Liberal caucus, you say you will have to review her full testimony—testimony you have already dismissed, by the way—before deciding her fate, when it really should be the other way around.

You tell Canadians—in that sanctimonious and overly serious tone you adopt when you’re under the cosh—who have watched Wilson-Raybould rattle their confidence in Canada’s institutions to now have confidence in the ethics commissioner, an office that has already found you guilty of breaking another law, but isn’t equipped to investigate the allegations unfurled by Wilson-Raybould. And while you’re busy doing that, you have your office tell media that nobody else will be resigning based on Wilson-Raybould’s testimony.

RELATED: Gerald Butts: If thy right hand offend thee, pluck it out

In other words, every move you make tonight makes you look like the un-smart, un-serious man that so many of your political opponents have always insisted you are.

But you can’t let that worry you.

Your only bet now is that you being you will be enough to see you through. If there is enough talk about evil Tories, or lost jobs, or Liberal values, then Canadians might just go back to sleep and wake up thinking you’re that wonderful man who promised to change everything in 2015.

Things have certainly changed. And you’ve changed, Justin Trudeau. My how you’ve changed.

Hard to actually believe this was written by a staff member of Macleans which is pretty much the CBC in print.....for the last 3 years ALL Canadian media has been FAWNING over Trudeau and his fucking socks etc.Seems when they get something juicy and truthfull that is backed by facts they decide to rip his guts out.....did not see that coming.....the writer even referred to Trudeau as to what he was before politics....a substitute drama teacher.

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So I presume that the Conservatives campaign slogan this year will be: WE TOLD YOU THAT HE WASN'T READY.

And the Liberals slogan will be "BUT HARPER"

The trouble for Justin is that there is more to come when the Vice Admiral Norman Supply Ship Scandal hits the courts as evidenced by the fact that Scott Brison, the Liberal minister who tried to torpedo the previously agreed deal in favor of a shipbuilding company in his Nova Scotia backyard, then suddenly "retired" a few weeks back to "spend more time with his family" already has a new full time job with BMO Capital Group putting the lie to that excuse (another rat deserting a sinking ship). The CBC reporter who broke the story James Cudmore, has now been co-opted by the Liberal government and given a cushy job in the defence department to shut him up. The "open and transparent" Liberal government is refusing to release documents that are vital to Norman's defense.
Norman has Marie Heinen as a lawyer and she is an absolute pit bull (defended Ghomeshi and got him off in his sexual assault trial) and is likely to rip any government member who has to get on the stand to absolute shreds. Its another grenade being lobbed into Justin's back yard that may go to trial right around election time and it could completely blow his ship out of the water if it hasnt been already.

I am beginning to believe that its a possibility that Justin may not stick around for the October election and behind the scenes is frantically contacting the UN in a desperate search for a new job before what remaining shreds of his political career sink to the bottom of the ocean.
 

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What pisses me off is what hypocrites all of the party leaders are. Both the Conservative leader and the NDP leader are trying to crucify the Liberals for trying to find a way to save the 50,000 jobs that would be lost if SNC L. is not allowed to bid on contracts and yet they both say that jobs are important. You can't have it both ways. I suspect that the Quebec voters will remember what the Conservatives and NDP had to say about the SNC L. jobs (a majority of the 50,000 jobs are in Quebec) and punish them appropriately in the next Federal election. And that might be just enough to give the Liberals another majority.

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maybe you should start with some actual facts

there aren't 50,000 jobs in Canada

the majority aren't in Quebec, they aren't even in Canada

there are more outside of Canada than here, we have just under 20%

it's around 9,000 in CANADA

and it's only around 4,000 in QUEBEC


and the company won't fold, it would most likely be bought/takeover

the head office would be relocated, which is in Quebec, to a more favorable banana republic where they could continue their corrupt way of doing business




160,000 jobs lost in Alberta oil industry

almost 3,000 in Ont for GM

it's all about the jobs, yeah right

this is just more typical Liberal corruption

they are already rumoured to be drafting a law to allow SNC to still get contracts with the gov't even if convicted
 

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I don't see this scandal really as that much of a scandal.

I see it more as a success of our legal and judiciary system that has integrity.

Most people are apathetic to things like this. Most corruption are more systemic. Ours really pales in comparison to the States or China.
 

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I don't see this scandal really as that much of a scandal.

I see it more as a success of our legal and judiciary system that has integrity.

Most people are apathetic to things like this. Most corruption are more systemic. Ours really pales in comparison to the States or China.
Speaking of China, though, it's hard not to juxtapose this with the Huawei situation. Supposedly, we are a rule of law country and we don't have the liberty to selectively enforce the rules. Maybe Trudeau's better defence in arguing with China is "look, I tried to bend the rules on this other thing and see where it got me? No can do."
 

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Speaking of China, though, it's hard not to juxtapose this with the Huawei situation. Supposedly, we are a rule of law country and we don't have the liberty to selectively enforce the rules. Maybe Trudeau's better defence in arguing with China is "look, I tried to bend the rules on this other thing and see where it got me? No can do."
We are in the shitty end of the pool on this because it's really not Canada's fault. We have a mutually respectable atmosphere in terms of Law Enforcement with the US. Trump wants extra power in trade wars and this is what he came up with.

China is equally stupid because they can't pick on Americans, so they pick on Canada. Fucking immature.
 

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It's true. We are being gooned by two bully governments that need to be retaliated against. Trouble is, officials are too afraid to fuck with either of them. Sometimes people need to be fucked with if they're fucking with you!
 

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We are in the shitty end of the pool on this because it's really not Canada's fault.
one reporter suggested, if Trudeau wasn't such a moron, along with his oh so bright staff

they would have used diplomatic back channels to warn/tell the Chinese to keep her out of Canada because of what the US was going to do, asking for extradition

not to mention why the Chinese thought she wouldn't be arrested here is also moronic, well maybe not now, lol

Canada's back alright!!
 

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They're not that cunning. Anyways, they're shackled by what some low-level functionary did in enforcing a [stupid & politically motivated] US extradition warrant. "Rule of law" right?
Except when it comes to SNC, they were pressing to overlook the same sorts of rules, so WTF.

Still better than the Conservatives, who would have enthusiastically enforced those US sanctions on Iran, and gone all-in with Trump's belligerence towards China.
If you remember, Harper used to like to morally scold China, and they just rolled their eyes - the Dragon was not going to listen to Washington's yappy little dog.

If Scheer was in charge, he'd be turning that MAGA hat backwards so he could rim Trump's ass more deeply, and lick out whatever Netanyahu left in there. That's what the Cons are all about.
 

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They're not that cunning. Anyways, they're shackled by what some low-level functionary did in enforcing a [stupid & politically motivated] US extradition warrant. "Rule of law" right?
Except when it comes to SNC, they were pressing to overlook the same sorts of rules, so WTF.

Still better than the Conservatives, who would have enthusiastically enforced those US sanctions on Iran, and gone all-in with Trump's belligerence towards China.
If you remember, Harper used to like to morally scold China, and they just rolled their eyes - the Dragon was not going to listen to Washington's yappy little dog.

If Scheer was in charge, he'd be turning that MAGA hat backwards so he could rim Trump's ass more deeply, and lick out whatever Netanyahu left in there. That's what the Cons are all about.
Defense of one leadership shouldn't need to be justified by the bad intent of another. One wouldn't suck cock just because one's grandparents did, unless they liked the taste of cock.

In this case, the liberals do.
 

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Oh I don't defend Trudeau. I just condemn Harper, Scheer, and the rest of the Mafia In Blue much more.
 

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So I presume that the Conservatives campaign slogan this year will be: WE TOLD YOU THAT HE WASN'T READY.

And the Liberals slogan will be "BUT HARPER"

The trouble for Justin is that there is more to come when the Vice Admiral Norman Supply Ship Scandal hits the courts as evidenced by the fact that Scott Brison, the Liberal minister who tried to torpedo the previously agreed deal in favor of a shipbuilding company in his Nova Scotia backyard, then suddenly "retired" a few weeks back to "spend more time with his family" already has a new full time job with BMO Capital Group putting the lie to that excuse (another rat deserting a sinking ship). The CBC reporter who broke the story James Cudmore, has now been co-opted by the Liberal government and given a cushy job in the defence department to shut him up. The "open and transparent" Liberal government is refusing to release documents that are vital to Norman's defense.
Norman has Marie Heinen as a lawyer and she is an absolute pit bull (defended Ghomeshi and got him off in his sexual assault trial) and is likely to rip any government member who has to get on the stand to absolute shreds. Its another grenade being lobbed into Justin's back yard that may go to trial right around election time and it could completely blow his ship out of the water if it hasnt been already.

I am beginning to believe that its a possibility that Justin may not stick around for the October election and behind the scenes is frantically contacting the UN in a desperate search for a new job before what remaining shreds of his political career sink to the bottom of the ocean.
We can only hope.

I remember a joke I heard as a kid.Pierre Trudeau is flying across Canada and when the plane is over Alberta Justin asks his father for 5 $1 bills to throw out the window to make 5 Albertans happy.Pierre gives Justin the money and Justin runs to the cockpit and throw the $5 out of a window.The pilot then says "chuck your

dad out the window and make the WHOLE of Alberta happy"

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Oh I don't defend Trudeau. I just condemn Harper, Scheer, and the rest of the Mafia In Blue much more.
Not condemning Trudeau in view of his dumpster fire train wreck government, is de facto defending Trudeau.
 

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Not condemning Trudeau in view of his dumpster fire train wreck government, is de facto defending Trudeau.
There's no logic to what you just said.

Why should people think that people think that if Team Red is dishonest then Team Blue must be honest, or if Team Red Evil then therefore Team Blue must therefore be good ?

NO, chumps, Team Blue is just even more evil. That is all this means.

Trudeau's sanctimonious bumbling doesn't magically erase every terrible thing about Scheer and the malevolent blue scumbags he's in charge of. If Trudeau and the Libs are stomach flu, Scheer and the Cons are cancer.

I do not want either of those, even if I know which is clearly worse.
 

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There's no logic to what you just said. ...
It makes perfect sense unless you are on the slow train. I said if you aren't condemning Trudeau's criminality, you are condoning him through failure to denounce deplorable behavior. Will you openly condemn rape? communism? Nazism? I do. If you don't, that clearly says something about you. Does that make sense in that space between your ears, or still not logical enough for you?

Why should people think that people think that if Team Red is dishonest then Team Blue must be honest, or if Team Red Evil then therefore Team Blue must therefore be good ?

NO, chumps, Team Blue is just even more evil. That is all this means.
Nobody said Team Blue 'MUST' be honest. People are just saying Team Red is pure evil, which it is, and Canadians want a change. They are two independent parties, and behavior of one doesn't determine behavior of the other. It's only you who falsely makes a causal connection that Team Blue MUST be worse, without any factual backing. To quote you from before "There's no logic to what you just said.", so i guess you were just foreshadowing your own 'argument' :)

Trudeau's sanctimonious bumbling doesn't magically erase every terrible thing about Scheer and the malevolent blue scumbags he's in charge of. If Trudeau and the Libs are stomach flu, Scheer and the Cons are cancer.
Trudeau is the only PM ever to have ethics violations, 4 at that. He has just commtted a Criminal offence and is on the verge of impeachment. He clearly sold out to corporations like SNC amongst others who can help his re-elction. He is an international laughing stock, known more for his socks and 'peoplekind' than any other tangible benefit to Canadians. Usually, when you hit rock-bottom like we have with Trudeau, there's nowhere else to go but up.

Scheer, has not, and may never been PM. You don't have to like him, but what terrible actions/policies has he performed that could be considered worse than Trudeau and his clearly corrupt and criminal actions? Please name some policies he HAS instilled that clearly demonstrate his evil that you so fervently preach?

For you to even compare the actions of a disastrous regime that has proven disgraceful and criminal, to a potential candidate that has not come within one iota of impropriety, is clearly assinine and speaks to your disillusioned purview. When you are done with your conspiracy theories, and rampant speculation and propaganda, come back and join the conversation.
 
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NO, chumps, Team Blue is just even more evil. That is all this means.
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Actually, Team Green is the real joke of Canadian politics. Led by a left-wing Communist Nut Elisabeth May, she's useless, anti-Israelite who believes in JT's money grab carbon tax will make a difference. She sounds like shes drunk at most appearances, and has defended terrorist Omar Khadr as having more class than the cabinet. Only Nutty dimwit loonies believe in her and her and her perennial 4th place party leadership. What a joke. The PPC will surpass them this year in their first year of being a party.
 

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We can only hope.

I remember a joke I heard as a kid.Pierre Trudeau is flying across Canada and when the plane is over Alberta Justin asks his father for 5 $1 bills to throw out the window to make 5 Albertans happy.Pierre gives Justin the money and Justin runs to the cockpit and throw the $5 out of a window.The pilot then says "chuck your

dad out the window and make the WHOLE of Alberta happy"

SR
Like his politics or not, his dad had style AND substance.

JT is just style and none of his dad's cajones. Not even a bit of fucking integrity.
 

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Here's a question people of any political persuasion can answer: what do you do when you agree ideologically with what a party purports to be, but not what it is in practice?
 

overdone

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Like his politics or not, his dad had style AND substance.

JT is just style and none of his dad's cajones. Not even a bit of fucking integrity.
Pierre didn't not have substance, he was a commie lover, a coward, he put ideology above common sense

a trait his kid clearly learned

intelligent, sure, but hardly a man of substance

he did lasting damage to this country, which we will probably never be able to reverse now

much like his kid will to if we don't punt him after 4 yrs


some other good news fourth quarter growth 0.4%

'it's the economy stupid', lol

that'll help bring him down
 
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