Tom Ellison case, I understand it now.

[georgebushmoron]

First let me say that I think Tom Ellison is a pathetic idiotic man who I would never (and those like him) want to see teaching again.

But picture this: an idiot teacher can't help himself with the nubile teen girls he goes on field trips with, but decides to seek legal advice and finds out (at the time) it is legal. He teaches for a few years and decides to call it quits on his own (not because he was forced out or for legal reasons). In the meantime, all but one of the girls he had anything to do either had relationships with him that went on for some time (from months to years) and all claimed he was a great teacher and they were excited to be with him, and most of all, each one said that he made her feel "special". A few years after that, some of these girls met up and found out teacher was cheating on all of them, hence not so special after all. 25 years later, they claim that they were abused.

These girls were at a legal age at the time (14), and though he was in a position of authority, it was still legal. That discussion is finished.

The (now) women claim that they were messed up. That might or might not be true, but I will not contest that. However, getting messed up by actions one willingly partakes in, then deciding that you were not responsible for your actions is quite another. To the women who were messed up by their own willfull behaviour, I say, too fucking bad. You're as pathetic as the teacher whose life you are ruining. And I daresay, the women's lives were NOT ruined to any degree not even similar to the man who is being forced through court now, being forced into the public spotlight over consensual acts, and facing the prospect of jail if not a criminal record for sex crimes.

These women are as pathetic as the man, but definitely far more vindictive.

 

[gravitas]

It frightens me when I completely agree with you.....

First let me say that I think Tom Ellison is a pathetic idiotic man who I would never (and those like him) want to see teaching again.

Absolutely. The guys a dirtbag who liked to have sex with, given the standard of the day were considered, young women and if he slept with my 16 year old daughter I'd have wanted to kick his ass. But as has been pointed out his actions weren't illegal and to bring forward a blanket charge of "gross indecency" is horseshit! You save those sorts of charges for the likes of entire Khadr family who despite having total contempt and hatred for Canada, Canadians our values and the rest of the western world seem to be fine in living here accepting our social services while they actively and vocally support Bin Laden and other terrorists.

The whole idea of revisionist justice is garbage.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Guy walks down a street and trips on broken concrete injuring himself badly. Guy sues the city for the injuries, pain and suffering. Guy wins big settlement. What I always wonder, is - what about all the hundreds or thousands of people who walked over that same patch of broken concrete and managed to NOT trip and fall? My point is - even though TE was older, and in a position of authority isn't there a point where you are in control of how much you were damaged by the incident you were a willing participant in?

 

[KingLeer]

It is an interesting legal case. My understanding is that it was hoped by the authorities that after all this time a deal could be made where Ellison would just please guilty to gross indecency or whatever charge they could agree to. He refused, so now we have this expensive trial. At the end of the day, what it may all come down to, is a potential civil suit where the complainants sue poor old idiot Tom, for damages.

 

[metoo113]

It's interesting that in a place where many of you live in glass houses that you continue to throw stones.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

It frightens me when I completely agree with you.....

As it frightens me to no end too when I agree with anything GBM related.

These chicks are all dried up prunes that have finally discovered that they weren't all "so special" and decided to seek revenge and make a few bucks in the process. Once the criminal part is over watch them all file a class action lawsuit against TE and of course his soon to be co-defenant with the deep pockets ie Gov;t of BC/ Ministry of Education.

Does anyone really believe that these chicks got traumatized because they fucked an older guy and haven't been able to get over it for 25 years? Gimme a fucking break, I am sure that if you dig deep enough most of them have fucked guys later in life for some sort of financial gain.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

It frightens me when I completely agree with you.....

As it frightens me to no end too when I agree with anything GBM related.

These chicks are all dried up prunes that have finally discovered that they weren't all "so special" and decided to seek revenge and make a few bucks in the process. Once the criminal part is over watch them all file a class action lawsuit against TE and of course his soon to be co-defenant with the deep pockets ie Gov;t of BC/ Ministry of Education.

 

[gravitas]

It`s interesting that in a place where many of you live in glass houses that you continue to throw stones.

https://perb.cc......hmmmmm, lets see......a place where adults gather to discuss and review the services of adult STW`s as well as share healthy debate and conversation about cheese and other unrelated topics.......not so much a place where adults in a position of authority (i.e. teachers) troll for kids under 18 to have sex with

sorry, don`t quite get your "glass houses" connection

Does anyone really believe that these chicks got traumatized because they fucked an older guy and haven`t been able to get over it for 25 years?

I`m very skeptical over the whole idea of repressed memory and the potential to dredge up things that may never have happened.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

It's interesting that in a place where many of you live in glass houses that you continue to throw stones.

Care to elaborate on that? I don't see any relevance to the issue being discussed.

 

[shapeshifter]

Don't really give 2 fucks about this case but the victims probably wouldnt have been "willing participants" if they had known the whole story.

They were being manipulated and each one thought they were "the one"

The teacher was the only one who had all the facts and was truly a willing participant, too bad he didnt bother to share with the girls that he was fucking all of them and telling each one that they were "special"

I think a lot of people might be fucked up emotionally if they found out that they had been totally mislead and lied to regarding what they thought was a sincere relationship.

He is a selfish asscrab who checked out all his angles and then made an educated choice on how to proceed.
His victims made their choice based on bullshit, too bad for good old teacher Tom he is paying the piper, he can cry me a river and kiss my ass.

If any of those girls was my daughter he would have a lot more to worry about than his ASSets.

 

[Bakermn]

It is an interesting case.
He was in a position of authourity, and obviously abused that position.
But - and what complicate this issue - it doesn't appear that any of the, then "girls" were forced, and in fact some carried on the relationship for a period of time.
But also the times were a little different. Christ - faxes hadn't even been invented yet and "aids" was a style of concert.
Was it wrong? yes - he was a teacher, and probably broke every ethical rule of the profession, but illegal? gross indecency? I really don't think so.

Just my 2 cents
Cheers

 

[wilde]

All I got to say on this is when you are 14 years old, consent can be a little murky.


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[georgebushmoron]

All I got to say on this is when you are 14 years old, consent can be a little murky.

Be that as it may, legal consent is still legal consent. If you've been given the right to legal consent, you have the responsibility.

If your consent for sex can be given at age X, you're accountable for giving your consent whether you were prepared to give it or not.

Sure, Ellison was a manipulator and a big time jerk. But what he did was legal at the time. Within the law, you can be a jerk hopefully without legal repercussions. What bugs me about all this is that there are virtually no repercussions for these women who have changed their minds, albeit for what appear to be dubious motives.

Lastly, 25 years is a very long time to suddenly decide that it was abuse. Let's investigate how crippled their lives truly were during that 25 year span, and we'll discover that they all were able to have normal healthy relationships and carry on normal lives like anyone else in every respect. Their lives were not handicapped nor ruined whatsoever, and why would it be? They were willing participants who gave their consent. But the law does not allow the courts to peer into the private lives of women who claim they were sexually abused, so we'll never find out if the abuse was real or entirely fictitious.

This is a classic case of women abusing the legal process by manipulating gender politics for both a political and economic motive, if not just outright bitterness and revenge.

My hope is that though Ellison is a cad, he wins (legally) and he turns around and sues those bitches for all their worth.

 

[gravitas]

My hope is that though Ellison is a cad, he wins (legally) and he turns around and sues those bitches for all their worth.

ya, I'd be cool with that as long as he was promptly hit by a translink bus and the settlement was distributed to charities like the SPCA, AIDS Vancouver/Calgary, etc.

 

[shapeshifter]

Sure, Ellison was a manipulator and a big time jerk. But what he did was legal at the time. Within the law, you can be a jerk hopefully without legal repercussions. What bugs me about all this is that there are virtually no repercussions for these women who have changed their minds, albeit for what appear to be dubious motives.

And now the women are being jerks but it's all quite legal, whats the difference?
Remember they had a good teacher! They learned well from the master of BS and manipulation.

Tom made his bed years ago its called payback and sometimes it's a bitch, when he decided to lie and manipulate he set himself up for possible reprisal at some point, whether that be at the hands of a pissed off father with a shotgun the same afternoon or a courtroom 25 yrs later.
Tit for Tat, he played with fire and now he's getting burned, boo fuckin hooo!

 

[sdw]

I think that GBM is too young to know about or has forgotten the old laws on "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" In most of Canada, a girl under 21 was concidered jailbait because that was were you were going if you gave/bought her a drink, paid for accommadation for the purpose of sex and a number of other things.

 

[shapeshifter]

If misleading a female to get her in the sack ever becomes a crime god help us all.

I doubt that many of us are teachers actively misleading our young charges into affairs.

 

[Hoops]

Just to put some perspective on the women coming forward after all these years I'd like to ask you all if you have anything in your past that you never talk about because it's too traumatic/embarassing for you?
I definitely do.
There are a few things I never discuss with anyone and try not to even think about. These women are revealing embarassing, traumatic moments of their lives when they were naive, emotionally immature GIRLS.
I feel their pain.
After all these years they've had to dredge up these memories because Ellison deserves to be punished for his wanton abuse of power.
Ellison was a predator. I was in high school in Vancity during the time this was happening. Teachers and student were not allowed to have sexual relationships. If it happened we would have all known it was wrong. As a student, could we have done something about it? It sure doesn't seem like it.
The laws, at the time, were not as enlightened as they are now which may allow him to escape jail time, but may he rot in hell.

 

[mick_eight]

ya, I'd be cool with that as long as he was promptly hit by a translink bus and the settlement was distributed to charities like the SPCA, AIDS Vancouver/Calgary, etc.

What about that driver of the bus and what he/ she has to go through.

 

[SInCity67]

This guy was like 37, hes a ped for fucking with 14 year old girls. He raped one of the girls, when she was a virgan or somshit. Then he forced him self on another and eat her out and tryed to fuck her. My dads 44 and when i was 14 he woulda been his age, if he tryed to fuck any of my G/fs when i was 14, wouldnt you guys think he was fucked up??? Why is this any different from that example?? The guy was a ped, and should get fucked in the ass from some guy in jail.