There is no God, get over it!

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hifisex said:
The notion of a benevolent christian god is at best a nice ferry-tale and at worst a collection of lies and bullshit that set people up for disappointment and disillusionment


HFS
Or it's just that you don't understand Him...in much the same way
that a small child can't understand everything her father says...

She gets infuriated at "discipline" failing to comprehend why she
can't do her own thing & why she has to suffer pain for it...from
her benevolent father...
 

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Originally Posted by hifisex
The notion of a benevolent christian god is at best a nice ferry-tale


Which ferry did you hear it on?


He's in Alberta, it must have been the Bow River "ferry".
 

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lenny said:
Or it's just that you don't understand Him...in much the same way
that a small child can't understand everything her father says...

She gets infuriated at "discipline" failing to comprehend why she
can't do her own thing & why she has to suffer pain for it...from
her benevolent father...
He/She/It was taking a bit of a vacation from benevolence last week in the American South, I take it?
 

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JustAGuy said:
How about the dipshits who go to bended knee and praise the Lord after they catch a touchdown pass? I guess that same deity must really hate the defensive back they just beat, huh?
Just once I would love to see a pro athlete, especially one in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or the NHL look square into the camera and say "I would like to thank Allah for giving me the ability to play."
 
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dirtydan said:
Just once I would love to see a pro athlete, especially one in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or the NHL look square into the camera and say "I would like to thank Allah for giving me the ability to play."
I think Hakeem Olajuwon was pretty forthcoming with his Muslim beliefs... Mohammed Ali as well. :)
 

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dirtydan said:
Just once I would love to see a pro athlete, especially one in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or the NHL look square into the camera and say "I would like to thank Allah for giving me the ability to play."

What is wrong with him looking into the camera and saying "Look at me I am a human male in the prime of my life! I have loads of inherited talent and have spent years working my ass off to get as good as I have got! This is my reward for all that effort!"

...and leave all the deities out of it.
 

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dirtydan said:
Just once I would love to see a pro athlete, especially one in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or the NHL look square into the camera and say "I would like to thank Allah for giving me the ability to play."
The Williams sisters did that years ago at one of the US OPen finals (don't know which one). They are not Muslims. They are Jehovah's Witnesses.
 

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JustAGuy said:
He/She/It was taking a bit of a vacation from benevolence last week in the American South, I take it?
In the same way a small child who got spanked feels that her father
was not being good to her. She doesn't see the big picture similarly
as men who observed the earth from an earthly viewpoint used to
think it was flat. The heavenly perspective gives the truth.
 

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I beleive in GOD, but

Organized religion is just a POLITCAL structure.

Read Angels and Demons. It puts a good perpective on Religion versus Science.

Some of the comments that Religion is for the Weak Minded etc. are interesting and somewhat hateful. Not that different than some of the RACISTS comments people are outraged with in relation to the New Orleans' disaster. People are different religious or not it does not make them the same as you, but they are equal in every way.

So if you beleive in GOD you are a lesser person. What about if you are BLACK and believe in GOD, does that have anything to do with it.

Mark Bavaro was a very Catholic Tight End for the New York Giants. After a touchdown he would kneel in the End Zone and cross himself. Not so different than Chris Carter pointing to the heaven's to celebrate his love of his god.

I am just curious which other social freedoms that people exercise that you are wanting to condem.
 

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lenny said:
In the same way a small child who got spanked feels that her father
was not being good to her. She doesn't see the big picture similarly
as men who observed the earth from an earthly viewpoint used to
think it was flat. The heavenly perspective gives the truth.

Lenny... in the future, people like you will look back at someone like you are now in much the same manner in which you currently view the flat earth believers. Who (btw) insisted on believing the earth was flat despite scientific evidence to the contrary. :eek:
 

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hifisex said:
After 12 years of religious studies in Catholic school and all the associated crap taught directly from the church I understand the concept behind a christian god. However, actions speak louder than words and with all the suffering that goes on at either an individual, community or global level can only have me believe that if there is a god he's doing a pretty shitty job in looking after his flock.


Are you suggesting that god disciplining us by making us endure personal and global tragedies? If so keep your stinking deity.

If there is a god, he/she comes across more as a raging and binging alcoholic then a benevolent creator. In one minute he/she can give the gift of life or amazingly beautiful nature and the next smote the whole fucking lot of us.



HFS
In a million years from now maybe we will look back at this lifetime,
which is like a grain of sand on the many seashores of time & eternity.

Maybe, from a solar system millions of stars away from here, we will
watch 1000's of videos of hifisex's lifetime and come to an under-
standing of how he came to feel such things which he'll laugh off
like it were nothing.
 

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From Jack Handy:

If a kid asks where rains comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying". And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."
 

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It's funny how religion has played a part in most of the atrocities committed by mankind, as if killing someone in the name of your god makes it ok. There is a fine line between religion and violence, especially with the fanatical types.

IMO anyone who believes in the typical notion of “god” is naive. If you consider the creationist theory there is only one very weak argument, “it says so in the bible”. Now put that argument against the theory of evolution which has TONS of evidence and there is only one logical conclusion: THERE IS NO GOD. That doesn’t mean there is no higher form of life than mankind. It is possible that there is another form of life in this universe which is more advanced, more intelligent, etc... than humans, but that doesn’t mean they are gods.
 

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I can see it now...

WTF Shedevil? Rake me over the coals so to speak....

This thread might have 10 new pages by the time I get back here...

I always perferred the bold approach ;)
 

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God Outdoes Terrorists Yet Again

God Outdoes Terrorists Yet Again

Bush Urges Victims To Gnaw On Bootstraps For Sustenance
WASHINGTON, DC—In an emergency White House address Sunday, President Bush urged all people dying from several days without food and water in New Orleans to "tap into the American entrepreneurial spirit" and gnaw on their own bootstraps for sustenance. "Government handouts are not the answer," Bush said. "I believe in smaller government, which is why I have drastically cut welfare and levee upkeep. I encourage you poor folks to fill yourself up on your own bootstraps. Buckle down, and tear at them like a starving animal." Responding to reports that many Katrina survivors have lost everything in the disaster, Bush said, "Only when you work hard and chew desperately on your own footwear can you live the American dream."

Government Relief Workers Mosey In To Help Katrina
FEMA representatives call out to survivors, "Show us your tits for emergency rations!"

NEW ORLEANS—Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael Brown, leading a detachment of 7,500 relief workers, moseyed on down to New Orleans Monday afternoon. "Well, I do declare, it's my job to see if any of these poor folks need any old thing," Brown said from his command rocker on the command post porch, adding, "Mighty hot day, ain't it?" Follow-up teams of emergency relief workers are expected to begin ambling into the Gulf Coast region as early as this weekend. "They should be getting the trucks good and warmed up anytime now, and they'll be cruising into town just as soon as all the reservists stroll in," said Brown, who is currently at his desk awaiting offers of food, water, and evacuation buses to roll in from "somewhere or other."

Louisiana National Guard Offers Help By Phone From Iraq
BAGHDAD—The 4,000 Louisiana National Guardsmen stationed in Iraq, representing over a third of the state's troops, called home this week to find out what, if any, help they could offer Katrina survivors from overseas. "The soldiers wanted to know if they could call 911 for anyone, or perhaps send some water via FedEx," said Louisiana National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The Guardsmen also "would love to send generators, rations, and Black Hawk helicopters for rescue missions," but, said Schneider, "we desperately need these in Iraq to stay alive." Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld praised the phone support, but noted that it would take months to transfer any equipment from Iraq to New Orleans, saying, "You fight a national disaster with the equipment you have."

Refugees Moved From Sewage-Contaminated Superdome To Hellhole Of Houston
HOUSTON—Evacuees from the overheated, filth-encrusted wreckage of the New Orleans Superdome were bussed to the humid, 110-degree August heat and polluted air of Houston last week, in a move that many are resisting. "Please, God, not Houston. Anyplace but Houston," said one woman, taking shelter under an overpass. "The food there is awful, and the weather is miserable. And the traffic—it's like some engineer was making a sick joke." Authorities apologized for transporting survivors to a city "barely better in any respect," but said the blistering-hot, oil-soaked Texas city was in fact slightly better, and that casualties due to gunfire would be no worse.

White Foragers Report Threat Of Black Looters
NEW ORLEANS—Throughout the Gulf Coast, Caucasian suburbanites attempting to gather food and drink in the shattered wreckage of shopping districts have reported seeing African*Americans "looting snacks and beer from damaged businesses." "I was in the abandoned Wal-Mart gathering an air mattress so I could float out the potato chips, beef jerky, and Budweiser I'd managed to find," said white survivor Lars Wrightson, who had carefully selected foodstuffs whose salt and alcohol content provide protection against contamination. "Then I look up, and I see a whole family of [African-Americans] going straight for the booze. Hell, you could see they had already looted a fortune in diapers." Radio stations still in operation are advising store owners and white people in the affected areas to locate firearms in sporting-goods stores in order to protect themselves against marauding blacks looting gun shops.

Another Saints Season Ruined Before It Begins
NEW ORLEANS—Front-office executives of the New Orleans Saints football team provided a much-needed dose of normalcy Monday when they announced that, for the 23rd year running, the Saints season had been ruined before it began. "I'd say this is even worse than when Mike Ditka traded away all our draft picks to get Ricky Williams," said Saints vice president of pro-personnel operations Bill Kuharich. "But there's one thing we Saints can always rely on: our chances for a winning season being shitcanned before we play a single down. We're proud to have carried on with this tradition despite everything." The National Football League has declined the Saints' "mercy rule" request to be allowed to forfeit all their home games, saying the team must set an example for its home city by being blown out in every contest.

Shrimp Joint Now Shrimp Habitat
NEW ORLEANS—Big Etienne's, a popular stop for New Orleans-style jambalaya, shrimp po' boys, and gumbo, has become a near-perfect habitat for Penaeus setiferus, the ubiquitous white shrimp used in jambalaya, shrimp po' boys, and gumbo. "It's far too early to call this a bright side, but the restaurant's location on the Delta, combined with its rickety, shabby-chic fisherman's décor, have combined to create a serviceable ecosystem for this particular species of marine life," said Juanita Colon of the Federal Department of Fisheries. Colon said if floodwaters recede significantly, many New Orleans parking lots would be suitable locations for the cultivation of dirty rice.

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wrong question!! wrong answer!!

Sorry but ..THE answer is not " there is no God" .... rather " What is God"
and all the religion bashing and what we do or don't do in the name of god will not bring us closer to knowing what god is.... Because we are part of God ..... part of the universal truth ( what ever that is ) that started at the begining..... long before the Big Bang ( and how meny big bangs have there been) and these storys we have to day of faith ..they are but a small way we try to compriehend the Aw of this universe..if we can look for a moment beyond our every day lives...and see what happens today is know different then what happened 10.000 yrs ago ...or what will happen tomarrow..is it God ..or is it the process of the universial life that we exist in ..... ithe path prepaired for us or do we chose our own path..
Is there a God .... something sure kicked me in the ass the other day .
 

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Under direct orders from Georgie-boy, no doubt reminiscing about his own wild times.
Yeah? Me too, it's called a hangover after too many drinks with some Earls' girls...
 

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Oh yeah, and remember next Friday, September 16, is a national day of prayer in the States. God Bless America.
 

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Valium said:
IMO anyone who believes in the typical notion of “god” is naive. If you consider the creationist theory there is only one very weak argument, “it says so in the bible”. Now put that argument against the theory of evolution which has TONS of evidence and there is only one logical conclusion: THERE IS NO GOD. That doesn’t mean there is no higher form of life than mankind. It is possible that there is another form of life in this universe which is more advanced, more intelligent, etc... than humans, but that doesn’t mean they are gods.
Interesting thread. Although evolution provides a very good explanation for how life develops once has been established, I don’t know that it’s the panacea that it’s made out to be; I think that one of its weaknesses is being able to explain how life can begin in the first place. Even if you look at the simplest single-celled organism, such as a primitive virus, that cell is still an amazingly sophisticated structure, with complexity existing at many different levels. There is still a huge gap between going from inorganic molecules and atoms to a single cell that is very difficult to account for based on chance alone.

When I was in university, I remember one of my Biochemistry professors talking about how the focus was on self-replicating molecules as a proposal to bridge this gap. He was working on self-replicating RNA, but I believe that the focus is now on self-replicating proteins. But even this is a very wide chasm to bridge, at least in my opinion. Organic molecules are relatively difficult to synthesis in the laboratory, where we are working with highly purified materials and tightly controlled conditions that typically don’t occur in nature. And that’s just for an amino acid. A protein is typically tens to hundreds of amino acids long, Even if you wanted to make a protein of just ten amino acids, you first need to synthesize the amino acid, and not just a few amino acids, but most likely thousands or even millions of them as the chance of side reactions occurring would be, I would think, quite high given that, in the natural world, you are working in conditions with high levels of contaminants and impurities that can interfere with the synthesis. And then have the amino acids brought close enough together so that a condensation reaction can occur and they can join together. In a small reaction vessel, sure, this is very possible, but in a natural environment we’re probably dealing lakes or oceans. Even a small puddle would be a very large area for small molecules to traverse and meet up. And they have to stay joined and not be separated via a hydrolytic reaction. This event would have to occur not once, but several times in order to produce a somewhat functional protein. Actually, it would probably have to occur at an even higher frequency as the chances of the first protein formed having the right sequence of amino acids to produce functional capabilities is unlikely. Also, that function needs to relate to self-replication. And that’s just one protein.

Then there’s the cell membrane need to contain such a protein and I do remember reading a paper showing that self-assembling membranes can occur; but again, this is in laboratory conditions and you still need to synthesize the hundreds, thousands or millions of phospholipids to produce such a structure.

It just seems the sequence of events require to produce life from non-living material is so improbable, to say that it can occur by chance, even over billions of years, is almost as irrational as saying “Creation exists because the Bible says so”. At the very least, I don't think that evolution automatically disqualifies the existence of a creator.

Of course, I could just be talking out of my ass.... ;)
 
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