I see that Palmeiro is done for the season. It seems that he allegedly told Congress that Tejada gave him a b-12 shot and that could possibly be the reason for his positive steroid test. Now the Orioles don't think it's a good idea for him to return to the team for the rest of the season. I think baseball is going through some tough times now with the steroid scandal and they should really do something about it. My opinion is that if a player tests positive for a banned substance he should be thrown out for life. Sounds harsh I know, but consider that these guys can make an awful lot of money, and if they want to throw it all away trying to get an edge and endangering their lives, it's their choice, but accept the consequences.Take their tainted records and stats away as well. Save the ten game suspensions for guys charging the mound or doctoring the ball. Any other opinions?
Steroids in baseball
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i agree with baseball needs tougher penalities but i think a lifetime ban a tad harsh especially for someone who might have taken it accidently because they took the wrong medication and rafie way to endear yourselves to your teamates by blaming one of them for your mistake what a dumbass
I don't give a shit if they use the juice you still have tobe good enough to hit a 95 mile hr fastball than a 80 mile hour curve, I rather see guys hit the ball to the moon instead of just clearing the fence in 1998 baseball was at its bet with mark and sammy that was the best year to watch baseball I remeber quiting what ever iwas doing to see there at bats
i used to think maybe they should let thme take anything, but then i think it will a contest of laboratories instead of athletes, so they need to be tough enought to deter them..
Steroids are not magic pills that automatically increase athletes' abilities.
They merely allow them to work out longer and/or more intensely.
These guys bust their asses, and ultimately it's to entertain us.
They are modern gladiators, risking their bodies for us, and for $$$, and for pride and competitiveness.
Do we complain that Roger Clemens takes amphetamines before every game?
They merely allow them to work out longer and/or more intensely.
These guys bust their asses, and ultimately it's to entertain us.
They are modern gladiators, risking their bodies for us, and for $$$, and for pride and competitiveness.
Do we complain that Roger Clemens takes amphetamines before every game?
I don't care
Hey, they still gotta be able to hit the ball in the first place. The only thing I hate about this whole thing is how much that piece of shit Jose Canseco, rat whistle bowing fuck is making on his book. He sits there all buffed up in his sunglasses defending something he wrote to make money, his a fuckin looser by coming forward with this shit, pointing the finger at everyone else while he lines his pockets. Smart ass cocksucker is what that fuck is, hope he gets what he deserves.
Hey, they still gotta be able to hit the ball in the first place. The only thing I hate about this whole thing is how much that piece of shit Jose Canseco, rat whistle bowing fuck is making on his book. He sits there all buffed up in his sunglasses defending something he wrote to make money, his a fuckin looser by coming forward with this shit, pointing the finger at everyone else while he lines his pockets. Smart ass cocksucker is what that fuck is, hope he gets what he deserves.
You'll get no argument from me. Maybe it's his personality, or lack of one, but I agree with you and if it's proven that he used steroids from Balco, all his stats and records should be wiped off the books as well. Damned cheaters!JustAGuy said:
Hey There nothing wrong with cheaters, After all a good number of us pooners are cheaters. the only bad thing about cheating is getting caught. and remember if you can't play fair than Cheat and if you can't cheat than don't play the game. Come on Big Homeruns is good for Baseball. Baseball should of givin Canseco some hush money not to do his book.
Well, maybe not the stats he accumulated in his first couple of seasons with the Pirates. Back then he was a 178 pound outfielder who didn't have muscles on his muscles. He probably actually earned the home runs he hit in those years.BIGblackstudd said:
Well Thats right Bob, The Man with the most toys in the End wins.JustAGuy said:Excellent philosophy by which to live one's life, Byson. Hopefully you have or will have children and can pass along this wonderful attitude to them.
The thing that pisses me off most about this issue is the hypocrisy that comes from MLB itself.
They knew for years that guys were juicing and did nothing about it. Now they're destroying the lives and reputations of the same players they used to restore baseball back to its pre-strike popularity. Fuckers. That cunt Selig deserves way worse than Palmeiro is getting. He is complicit in the actions of every ball player who's juiced since baseball came back in 1995.
In 1998, Selig and the rest of MLB enjoyed the spoils of the greatest season in baseball, attendance soared, TV rating were huge, all because a couple of steroid cases were hitting balls 500 feet every other game.
Then in 2001, they did it all again, eyes focused on Bonds.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to know that players have been taking steroids. The general public has assumed for years that baseball players have been. For MLB and Selig to feign shock is pure hypocrisy.
What the players did isn't right, but MLB deserves as much blame as anyone. Selig should be tossed out on his ass for starters. I wish there was a way for him to charged and thrown in jail, but I doubt that'll happen. How the prick ever became commissioner is anyone's guess. He clearly has the owners interests completely at heart, not the players. Hell, the steroid issue should have been tacked by MLB a decade ago, if only in the interest of the health of the players. Steroid health issues have been mainstream news since Lyle Alzado died in 1992. But no, they've now let it get to the point where entire careers, some of them hall of fame caliber, have been played in the steroid age.
Shame on the players, but shame on Major League Baseball as well.
They knew for years that guys were juicing and did nothing about it. Now they're destroying the lives and reputations of the same players they used to restore baseball back to its pre-strike popularity. Fuckers. That cunt Selig deserves way worse than Palmeiro is getting. He is complicit in the actions of every ball player who's juiced since baseball came back in 1995.
In 1998, Selig and the rest of MLB enjoyed the spoils of the greatest season in baseball, attendance soared, TV rating were huge, all because a couple of steroid cases were hitting balls 500 feet every other game.
Then in 2001, they did it all again, eyes focused on Bonds.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to know that players have been taking steroids. The general public has assumed for years that baseball players have been. For MLB and Selig to feign shock is pure hypocrisy.
What the players did isn't right, but MLB deserves as much blame as anyone. Selig should be tossed out on his ass for starters. I wish there was a way for him to charged and thrown in jail, but I doubt that'll happen. How the prick ever became commissioner is anyone's guess. He clearly has the owners interests completely at heart, not the players. Hell, the steroid issue should have been tacked by MLB a decade ago, if only in the interest of the health of the players. Steroid health issues have been mainstream news since Lyle Alzado died in 1992. But no, they've now let it get to the point where entire careers, some of them hall of fame caliber, have been played in the steroid age.
Shame on the players, but shame on Major League Baseball as well.
Gee, let's shoot the messenger. Canseco migh be an asshole, bit he's also shone a spotlight on the problem that got MLB to start making inroads on steroid abuse. As for getting what he deserves - his wife has already left him - and she is smokin' hot.mexman said:
dexi said:Selig should be tossed out on his ass for starters. I wish there was a way for him to charged and thrown in jail, but I doubt that'll happen. How the prick ever became commissioner is anyone's guess. He clearly has the owners interests completely at heart, not the players. QUOTE]
To be fair (and believe me, I detest Bud Selig as much as anyone does), the commissioner of baseball is chosen by the owners and is essentially "their boy". It's always been like that, to a greater or lesser degree depending upon the individual holding the office. He is supposed to have the best interests of baseball as a prime goal but he is ideally supposed to achieve that by not busting the owners' balls. The player's association was formed to address the best interest of the players.
The first five commissioners (Kenesaw Mountain Landis, Hap Chandler, Ford Frick, William Eckert and Bowie Kuhn) were relatively independent but Peter Ueberroth was more blatantly an owners' commissioner. The late Bart Giamatti was much too independent for the owners' tastes and they resolved to have an "in house" commissioner from that point on. Fran Vincent filled in for a while, then resigned and was replaced by Selig who actually was officially called "Chairman of the Major League Executive Council" for nearly six years before being named commissioner.
As to him being charged and thrown out on his ass, it isn't going to happen, no matter how richly he deserves it. He's a key member of the old boys club that runs baseball. I'm sure he will "manage" the whole steroid issue to their satisfaction and will probably wind up getting a raise when his contract is renewed.
This is a silly point MEX
FLy ball hitters use their extra strength to get the ball out of the yard.
Lots of people can make good contact with the base ball. But most "good contact" gets a ball caught. A pitcher can't get a way with a mistake pitch even an inch to the wrong area of the plate, becasue of the strength of the hitters.
Why are most great hitters (historically) not power hitters, why becasue they can't constantly get good contact if they are trying to kill the ball. The big home run changes everything. The finesse of being able to actually manage a baseball game based on a players ability to actually control a hit (put the ball somewhere they want it to go) is gone. How many people actually watch a whole baseball game anymore. Homeruns are great for sports centre, but bad for the game.
Buffed up players might result in 10 - 15 extra home runs in a year, these would have been outs not hits. The difference to the game is huge.
.mexman said:
FLy ball hitters use their extra strength to get the ball out of the yard.
Lots of people can make good contact with the base ball. But most "good contact" gets a ball caught. A pitcher can't get a way with a mistake pitch even an inch to the wrong area of the plate, becasue of the strength of the hitters.
Why are most great hitters (historically) not power hitters, why becasue they can't constantly get good contact if they are trying to kill the ball. The big home run changes everything. The finesse of being able to actually manage a baseball game based on a players ability to actually control a hit (put the ball somewhere they want it to go) is gone. How many people actually watch a whole baseball game anymore. Homeruns are great for sports centre, but bad for the game.
Buffed up players might result in 10 - 15 extra home runs in a year, these would have been outs not hits. The difference to the game is huge.
This is incorrect -- the greatest hitters have been power hitters.ace85 said:
Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, Mantle, etc. -- not Gwynn, Boggs, Carew, Ashburn, etc.
A high BA means little in itself. A home run is the best possible offensive outcome, and the best place to put a ball is where it can't be caught -- in the seats.
Contact hitters con't put the ball where they wish most of the time.
Great Hitters
I meant high average hitters. But you are wrong anyway.
And it is about balance.
Ted Williams could put the ball exactly where he wanted it did not hit tons and tons of home runs. Gretest Hitter Ever.
Hank Aaron never hit 50 home runs (he didn't try to hit home runs) they were a result of good contact.
It is about BALANCE. Home Run to strike out ratio is important as is hitting into double plays.
What happens if you try to pull (trying to overhit the ball) an outside pitch you ground out to the short stop (or second base depending on which side of the plate you hit from), which is a double play with someone on base.
Bonds is a perfect example. He used to be a good hitter (300 - 320) but became a great hitter(350 - 380) when the warning track flyballs started to go over the fence.
That makes the argument right there. Steroids + Skill make you a better hitter.
I meant high average hitters. But you are wrong anyway.
And it is about balance.
Ted Williams could put the ball exactly where he wanted it did not hit tons and tons of home runs. Gretest Hitter Ever.
Hank Aaron never hit 50 home runs (he didn't try to hit home runs) they were a result of good contact.
It is about BALANCE. Home Run to strike out ratio is important as is hitting into double plays.
What happens if you try to pull (trying to overhit the ball) an outside pitch you ground out to the short stop (or second base depending on which side of the plate you hit from), which is a double play with someone on base.
Bonds is a perfect example. He used to be a good hitter (300 - 320) but became a great hitter(350 - 380) when the warning track flyballs started to go over the fence.
That makes the argument right there. Steroids + Skill make you a better hitter.
Steroids (and other strength enhancing drugs) have been part of our society for quite some time now. Does it make it right to take them? That's a personal choice with a definite health risk if you choose to do so. Does it taint the sport...any sport....if a percentage (no matter how large or small) takes the drug. Yes, unless all the athletes are taking it. We as a society are partially to blame because it is our paying dollar that drives the salaries and the sport. Should a player (and his accomplishments) be banned from the Hall of Fame? If you look at Baseball's Hall of Fame you'll find cheaters. So the question, if you take out Bond's or Rafi's records off the books, is how far do you look back? We didn't start testing players until the last 10-15 years. And what of those already in the Hall? We can't test them . I agree with the fact that you still have to hit the damn thing a freaking number of times or win/strike out a freakin number of people before they even think of about putting you in. In the end we are paying to see players perform...if you aren't playing to win, why keep score. Too bad it influences the future athletes who are trying to do it the right way
