'Scooter' Libby is GONE! aka: One down...

[luckydog71]

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Bush? The death of 2000+ Americans and uncounted iraqi/afghanistan civilians, the prison scandal, broken Geneva Conventions etc

Death, destruction, mayhem, huge deficit. Open reconstruction contracts to Halliburton for hurricane katrina, out right gave the Iraqi reconstruction to Halliburton (at least some contracts there)... etc

Clinton? Let a secretary blow him... massive embaressment for the white house due to media attention, had to sleep on the couch for a while until Hilary calmed down.

Good economy, low unemployment, strong dollar, strong military (Clintons budget allowed for the large military Bush is expending).... but he made the headlines as the unfaithful president.

Some difference in the level of scandals, eh?

Nixon...meh... his corruption doesn't seem quite so bad compared to Bushes, even though it was peppered across the nation.


Know what also sounds like a fascist government? One that dictates what independant media channels may report on. Fair and unbiased reporting?

Libby was not charged with any of that. He was not even charged with outing a CIA covert agent.

He, Clinton and Martha were all charged with a similar offense, lying to a federal officer or the grand jury.

I still think Libby should have resigned for this lie, but it does not proven what Bush's political enemies want it to prove.

I speculate Libby will plea bargain for 6 months (like Martha got) and that will be the end of the whole mess. No one will be charged with outing Plame; no one will be charged with the corruption you claim Bush has committed.

All this proves to me is the Dems and the GOP will do anything to get their political enemies. It is not about governing; it is about stopping the other party from governing. The GOP did stop Clinton in has lame duck years. The Dems are setting up to do the same thing to Bush.

 

[Cali Scott]

I do not want to be defending Libby, he lied to the Grand Jury and he has to go. It is that simple.

But as far as outing a CIA operative, there is no legal problem. No one was charged after 2 years of investigation.

There WAS a legal problem though. There was a TWO year investigation by a federal prosecutor. My point is that IF she was not a covert operative there would have never been an investigation in the FIRST place.

To me that is wrong. Lying under oath is wrong as well, but to accept this approach to justice means you have to accept that the end justifies the means.

If you support this theory and you are consistent in how you apply justice then you would have to support impeaching Clinton for lying under oath. We know Clinton did something wrong. They investigated him for 4 years. No one would spend that much time investigating him if he had not committed a crime. The only problem is the original crime could not be proven.

I don't think that this is their intention. They are investigating an alleged crime. If by the accused testimony the prosecution is given additional ammo to hand the accused they will gladly take it. I don't think that this is a strategy by any means. The accused are just dumb!

I think the WH was trying to get Wilson. Wilson was a political enemy. But to say this proves it, is wrong. This only proves Libby lied.

So then you DO think that Libby acted alone? I don't think that this is a logical or likely scenario. It doesn't prove it in a court of law but it proves it to US, the citizens. This proof is provided by the Gand Jury witnesses that have spoken atfter testimony and the peek behind the scenes that that testimony has provided.

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

to expand your knowledge try reading the senate select commitee on intelligences report on the lead up to war with iraq ...

Can this intelligences report be found on the internets?

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

To be honest I could not have told you who Libby was 1 month ago.

That's funny-- I knew who he was a few years ago.

 

[dittman]

jeez im really impressed herbie with your knowledge. Knowing who the vps chief of staff was a few years ago. now that is something we should all know. can you share some more of your vast knowledge with the rest of us. Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[georgebushmoron]

Hang the fucker, hang them all

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

jeez im really impressed herbie with your knowledge. Knowing who the vps chief of staff was a few years ago. now that is something we should all know. can you share some more of your vast knowledge with the rest of us. Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll say this for you, dittman -- you're just like your hero in the White House --ignorant, not going to change, and proud of it.

 

[JMBrowning]

Hang the fucker, hang them all

I wish that can be true, but with a political system this bent. It's all a show: Indict the guy, take the guy to a jury, then acquit the guy. Doesn't the script sound too familiar? Yeah... they do that at the expense of us the taxpayers as we're unknowingly and unwillingly paying for that crap. Talking about how to fleece the public from their hard-earned dollars.

 

[luckydog71]

Hang the fucker, hang them all

GWBm you may have something here.

Let's skip the trial. It is just a waste of money anyway. He all know he did it. Whatever "it" is.

We also need to bring back guilt by association...so that will inlcude Rove / Bush et al.

Hell let's back date this edicte and hang Clinton and his gang of theives. remember the illegal campaign contributions that could not proven because many skipped the country.

How about Sandy Berger and then by association Kerry. They stole national secuirty documents.

I could go on....but you get the idea.

Let's round them all up. Let's but them in concentration camps and then move them into gas chambers.

We could dig mass graves and bury them all together.

Hell we know they are guilty we just can't prove it. So let's kill them all.

It would certainly further my goal. Less gov't is better gov't.

 

[georgebushmoron]

It would certainly further my goal. Less gov't is better gov't.

But what would you replace government with? There are all those things that are governed. Who will govern them?

 

[JMBrowning]

You know...

It doesn't matter if you have a Republican or a Democrat in power. They'll do the same thing, fleecing us.

The more things change, the more they remain the same

 

[HankQuinlan]

Hey Lucky Dog --- you have as much as admitted in the past that the current administration is self-serving, yet you are still caught up in the Dems vs. GOP, repeating the Republican spin. You know in your heart that the accusations are true, but keep repeating the mantras or justifying them by saying the Dems do it too.

The difference is the degree --- Clinton's lies were about a blow job, and maybe about illegal campaign contributions. This administration's lies are about a war that has destroyed many thousands of lives (and what most suspect is about profit and misplaced ideology rather than "protecting the American people). There is a HUGE difference in the sins.

 

[ace85]

Clinton Did Let a fat intern blow him.

That wasn't the problem MORON. You are forgetting that he was being investigated for sexual assault.

Which is probably the worst personal crime that we are discussing between all the politicians.

 

[Cali Scott]

But what would you replace government with? There are all those things that are governed. Who will govern them?

Remember the days when the Republicans were the party of smaller government and non-Federalism?

 

[georgebushmoron]

Remember the days when the Republicans were the party of smaller government and non-Federalism?

"Smaller government" is just another term for "government by private corporation". Abdicating rule doesn't remove the necessecity to govern, so thus relinquish it to those ready to assume power - and that means those who control the economy, which would be yours truly the McDonald's of this world.

People seem to think that smaller government means less of a tax hit, which is why they like it. And while your personal taxes might be less with less government, you'll end up paying the corporations who govern you one way or another. I say better the devil you had a hand in electing than having no say at all.

Thus it's a natural progression for parties who stand for smaller government to turn into parties for big business (rather than small or medium size business) which are then ruled by them.

 

[luckydog71]

But what would you replace government with? There are all those things that are governed. Who will govern them?

There are things our gov't does that they should not do.

Medicare / Medicaid / social security / dept of education / twisted and deformed income tax laws to name a few.

The feds need to focus on national defense (including our borders), national monetary policy, federal crimes, civil liberties, state department, IRS but very much reduced, social welfare for those who can not take care of themselves.

Let state and local gov't pick up some if the local citizenry decides they want to. Do you know how much money I would have if the gov't did not take social security payments from me? Far more than I will ever get in payments.

 

[luckydog71]

Hey Lucky Dog --- you have as much as admitted in the past that the current administration is self-serving, yet you are still caught up in the Dems vs. GOP, repeating the Republican spin. You know in your heart that the accusations are true, but keep repeating the mantras or justifying them by saying the Dems do it too.

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I believe (not know) that Libby release Plame name to a reporter. I also believe others in the administration did the same. What I do not believe is it was a crime at the time he did it. If it was charge them with the crime. Stop the bull shit of we can not prove it so we will charge him with something else.


Put up or shut up.

The difference is the degree --- Clinton's lies were about a blow job, and maybe about illegal campaign contributions. This administration's lies are about a war that has destroyed many thousands of lives (and what most suspect is about profit and misplaced ideology rather than "protecting the American people). There is a HUGE difference in the sins.

I believe (not know) that Clinton committed multiple rapes. I believe he committed multiple sexual assaults. (not a big deal, I am sure they were asking for it. After all they were in his hotel room.)

I believe he took illegal campaign contributions and provide special favors to his contributors (and I do not mean a sleep over).

I believe he committed fraud in the Whitewater deal. I believe he fired career staff in the travelgate affair and hired his cronies.

I believe he spread the same lies about Iraq having WMD that Bush is accused of spreading.

But none of this could be proven. They spent 5 years investigating this but they could not prove it. So he was not charged. And he should not have been charged, even though I BELIEVE he did these things.

It was proven he lied under oath and that is why he was impeached.

Hank it is you listening to the Dems spin which is this whole thing was about a BJ. It was not.

 

[Cali Scott]

But what would you replace government with? There are all those things that are governed. Who will govern them?

If you read about what a Republic is (versus a Democracy) you'lll get more info on that. We are supposed to be governing ourselves and the Government is supposed to work for US.

We are actually a Constitutional Republic here in America and NOT a Democracy. Those in power would have you believe that we live in a Democracy and THEY are in charge. Simply not true.

 

[Cali Scott]

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I believe (not know) that Clinton committed multiple rapes. I believe he committed multiple sexual assaults. (not a big deal, I am sure they were asking for it. After all they were in his hotel room.)

I believe he took illegal campaign contributions and provide special favors to his contributors (and I do not mean a sleep over).

I believe he committed fraud in the Whitewater deal. I believe he fired career staff in the travelgate affair and hired his cronies.

I believe he spread the same lies about Iraq having WMD that Bush is accused of spreading.

But none of this could be proven. They spent 5 years investigating this but they could not prove it. So he was not charged. And he should not have been charged, even though I BELIEVE he did these things.

It was proven he lied under oath and that is why he was impeached.

Hank it is you listening to the Dems spin which is this whole thing was about a BJ. It was not.

You left out having Vince Foster murdered.

 

[luckydog71]

You left out having Vince Foster murdered.

Actually, I do not believe Bill murdered Vince.

It was Hilary.

She and Vince were having an affair and Vince walked in while Hil was going down on Janet Reno. A huge fight broke out and Vince went into the park. Hilary followed him and shot him.

The cover up was to preserve her run in 08.