Scammer victimising SPs

[westwoody]

Have any of the ladies here had this happen to them? This guy puts off paying up front and near the end of the date he claims he has to get some medication(for allergies) out of his car. He claims to be sick but shows no symptoms. Naturally he fucks off once outside. The guy is around 5-9 with a bit of a gut.
Ladies please PM me.

 

[tom25]

That is so fucking low!

Ladies should always insist on payment up front unless its a regular that they know and trust!

Tom

 

[westwoody]

I just want to hear if the guy has been doing it for a while because he seemed to have his act down really well. Watch for it, ladies!

 

[Avery]

Ladies should always insist on payment up front unless its a regular that they know and trust!

Most of them do for the first couple of times they see a new client. It only makes sense.

The description posted by westwoody is vague and could describe thousands of guys. What about his age, hair colour/style, eye colour, distinguishing features, etc?

 

[westwoody]

Sorry for the vagueness, there is hope this may be resolved without "outing" the pooner. I could be VERY specific. The girl is afraid that she will be ridiculed for not getting the $ up front and that she will be blackballed for outing a customer, even if he brought it upon himself. What is she to do? She can't report him to Equifax!

 

[tom25]

She should make sure she doesn't see him again and let other SPs on PERB know through PM's. That seems way to do things that does't involve "outing" him publicly, but warns other ladies about this guy.

Although frankly, if he's a regular on PERB then he should be strung up for such behaviour. I certainly wouldn't blame her for outing him, but you can bet there'll be flaming galore and she ends up losing in the end.

Tom

 

[tom25]

Can't speak for the other pooners here, but outing this turd is just what he deserves.

I can't imagine any right thinking pooner (Perb-ert or otherwise) holding it against a lady for outing the jerk who has ripped her (and aparrently others)off.

I agree, but stranger things have happened around here!

Tom

 

[Avery]

Sorry for the vagueness, there is hope this may be resolved without "outing" the pooner. I could be VERY specific. The girl is afraid that she will be ridiculed for not getting the $ up front and that she will be blackballed for outing a customer, even if he brought it upon himself. What is she to do? She can't report him to Equifax!

Likewise, I can't imagine that the lady would be flamed or ridiculed for not asking for payment up front. Someone might say it would have been wise to do so, but that's not a flame. BTW, am I correct in presuming that this lady is a PERB member with a good reputation?

Are you saying that this guy is a PERB member, or claimed to be a PERB member? If so, you are doing the right thing by not outing him yet. There was a report last year about guy claiming to be various PERB members when he wasn't them at all. Posting this asshole's alleged handle could harm an innocent party.

I think a combination of a publicly posted detailed description, along with PM's among the ladies is the right way to go for now. Of course, that wont help the ladies who aren't PERB members, but a few phone calls among the ladies could cover the non-members.

 

[BS Detector]

Sorry for the vagueness, there is hope this may be resolved without "outing" the pooner. I could be VERY specific. The girl is afraid that she will be ridiculed for not getting the $ up front and that she will be blackballed for outing a customer, even if he brought it upon himself. What is she to do? She can't report him to Equifax!

No way she should be ridiculed. I have said here numerous times that ladies should collect upfront and I would never have a problem with that. I actually prefer it. Everytime this topic of collecting upfront comes up however, you see guys here bellyaching about it being an invitation to poor service etc. I still don't get their point. Are they going to decide on the way out what they thought the service was worth and just pay that? And then guys wonder why a lady might be mechanical, distant etc after she just got burned. (I still think the funniest is when you get the odd guy who does agree with something I post, it is prefaced with a, "I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with BSD" as though I actually WANT to think like the masses LOL).

Also, no way she should be blacklisted. She would NOT be outing a customer. CUSTOMERS PAY. This guys is a THIEF. HUGE difference between outing a customer and a thief. Truth be told, I think she has a RESPONSIBILITY to out the bastard to protect other ladies and the innocent guys.

 

[Mchatte]

Don't be shy, ask!

Get your cash up front is probably a good suggestion for all SPs. I know that sometimes (quite often actually ) I have almost left without paying and had to be reminded because I'm either having too much fun or wished the fun was not over.

So, even with your regulars ladies, don't be embarrassed about asking for your fee because once we're in your apartment, then our thinker kinda short circuits. Not because we're crooked or cheap but just a little tiny brain fart interference on occasion.

M

 

[BS Detector]

Not because we're crooked or cheap but just a little tiny brain fart interference on occasion.

Right on. I saw mmmegan recently and when I walked in and saw her, well let me say that brain "fart" is a gross understatement (sorry for any visual that may occur here )

Same thing when I met Ariel from Victoria a few months ago.

All the lady has to say is, "Let's get the business out of the way" or something similar, just as a reminder. I always prefer it if they count too, and even ask them to because it protects BOTH of us. What if she happens to drop something later and doesn't notice. She will think you short changed her and maybe not even say anything next time she sees you (assuming she will see you again). There will always be that thought there that you 'pulled' something on her. If it is counted right there and then, it's DONE.

This may sound picky but I also always prefer that they not just leave it lying there but put it away. (I understand possible legal implications here). Same reason, I would not want her thinking I grabbed a bit back on the way out. Maybe I'm just paranoid

 

[JustAGuy]

Baffled

I just don't get this at all. You are PAYING for sex. The transaction requires that you PAY the lady. Anyone with a brain larger than a walnut does this as soon as they or she walks into the room. Duh. I've been seeing the same lovely lady for a number of years now. Not once has more than two minutes gone by before I give her an envelope with a card inside containing the cash. I understand that a transaction is taking place. Brain farts, and they do happen quite often based on what she is wearing, are never strong enough too make me forget that. Geez louise!

And to think that an SP would somehow be looked upon negatively because she asks for payment up front simply defies logic. There are actually people out there who expect she'll come in, do her thing and then just take it on faith that the guy will fork over the money? Especially someone she's never seen before? I think I'm going to go into the business of harvesting and selling brain cells because there sure seem to be a lot of people in dire need of them.

 

[tom25]

I just don`t get this at all. You are PAYING for sex. The transaction requires that you PAY the lady. Anyone with a brain larger than a walnut does this as soon as they or she walks into the room. Duh. I`ve been seeing the same lovely lady for a number of years now. Not once has more than two minutes gone by before I give her an envelope with a card inside containing the cash. I understand that a transaction is taking place. Brain farts, and they do happen quite often based on what she is wearing, are never strong enough too make me forget that. Geez louise!

And to think that an SP would somehow be looked upon negatively because she asks for payment up front simply defies logic. There are actually people out there who expect she`ll come in, do her thing and then just take it on faith that the guy will fork over the money? Especially someone she`s never seen before? I think I`m going to go into the business of harvesting and selling brain cells because there sure seem to be a lot of people in dire need of them.

I agree completely with you. With one exception I always provide the envelope immediately upon arrival. The exception is a lady with whom I am a very regular client and I usually pay after the fact. But that is very much an exception. Frankly, not only should the lady demand the money up front, I think she should count it as well (at least until a level of trust has been established). I certainly wouldn`t be offended in the least if she were to open the envelope and thumb through the bills to see that all was as it should be. She needs to protect her interests.

Some people though (and I`m sure its a minority) look for any chance to cheat people, and seem to think that is particularly o.k. to cheat escorts. Look at this thread: https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=39796


Tom

 

[Avery]

I agree completely with you. With one exception I always provide the envelope immediately upon arrival. The exception is a lady with whom I am a very regular client and I usually pay after the fact. But that is very much an exception. Frankly, not only should the lady demand the money up front, I think she should count it as well (at least until a level of trust has been established). I certainly wouldn`t be offended in the least if she were to open the envelope and thumb through the bills to see that all was as it should be. She needs to protect her interests.

Virtually all the local indies I`ve seen ask for the money up front the first time, but most are OK with being paid afterward on subsequent visits, especially if they know me by my PERB handle. However, I have no problem with any escort who asks for her fee up front on all visits. They are potentially vulnerable, and have little recourse if someone rips them off, so caution is perfectly understandable.

Some people though (and I`m sure its a minority) look for any chance to cheat people, and seem to think that is particularly o.k. to cheat escorts. Look at this thread:
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=39796

Unbelievable! This board is a totally civilized world by comparison. That guy has the right handle, though - ANAL Hobbit!

 

[tom25]

Unbelievable! This board is a totally civilized world by comparison. That guy has the right handle, though - ANAL Hobbit!

I had the same thought ... we're tame and civilized and totally repectful. That board is a nightmare!

Tom

 

[westwoody]

Religious nuts-go figure

That guy has the right handle, though - ANAL Hobbit!

Hobbit Anus seems to be well known among the SP and pooning crowd in the US, that very thread is hot topic on several other boards. A lot of SPs and pooners seem to know exactly who he is!
He has several other threads fervently preaching his religion, talking about his close personal relationship with God and Jesus. He's a religious fanatic AND thinks prostitutes are scum who deserve to be ripped off. He also is involved in running an escort referral website-he claims it's the largest, but I haven't figured out which one it is-so he's making money off them that way as well.
And, he says that as a businessman he expects everyone to be "above board" with him in their dealings.

 

[westwoody]

You, sir, are no gentleman

Well she got her money but the guy was a jerk about it. He didn't see why she had to phone him or leave messages on his voicemail. He rips a woman off two weeks before Christmas yet considers himself the victim. How's that for a self-pitying weasel?
I know you are reading this.
This was YOUR fault, nobody else's. She gave you several chances to make things right but you lied and avoided paying for over a week. Are you that dishonest at your job? Until I met you I had no idea SP's had to put up with such scumbags.
{Edited to remove several expressions of disgust}

 

[stryker]

O.k Westwoody,,who is the degenerate?

 

[tom25]

O.k Westwoody,,who is the degenerate?

The shit's in real trouble if Stryker has him in his crosshairs!!

Tom

 

[carynofwinnipeg]

Well she got her money but the guy was a jerk about it. He didn't see why she had to phone him or leave messages on his voicemail. He rips a woman off two weeks before Christmas yet considers himself the victim. How's that for a self-pitying weasel?
I know you are reading this.
This was YOUR fault, nobody else's. She gave you several chances to make things right but you lied and avoided paying for over a week. Are you that dishonest at your job? Until I met you I had no idea SP's had to put up with such scumbags.
{Edited to remove several expressions of disgust}

Sp's put up with alot more shit over the x-mas season then people realize. Alot of men out there seem to be short of cash and expect a deal. Blah, blah, blah. I feel sorry for the woman that was ripped off. However, when I was still actively working, there would have been no damn way buddy would be leaving the premises to get pills for allergies from his car without paying first. Or............leaving critical I.D. behind for me to hold onto until he returned..or my accompanying himself to his vehicle so that I would at least have the plate number.

My experience in the past with some new clients over the x-mas season was most times a total disaster.

As for regulars............could not have asked to be treated better then over the x-mas season.

One more thing........I never asked for donations upfront from a regular, I assumed I would always recieve it at the end of our time together. Only had a problem once with a regular in which case he left behind a brown and a purple. I'm assuming he mistook the purple to also be a brown. I never bothered to say anything about it. By the time I realized it, he was long gone.

Happy Holidays everyone!

Caryn