Safety, health, your escort, and you!

[American Male]

This is my first post.
I have enjoyed the service that PERB provides and check fairly often for new posts, etc. I think the most important service that PERB provides are the warnings of the SPs that turn out to be rip-offs and do not provide an advertised service.

I want to start a discussion about health issues, however. While I do understand the appeal of BBBJ, DATO, DATY, and etc, I want to express my concern about these practices. I feel it is unsafe for everyone involved. This is the age of AIDS, hepititus and other diseases. It is dangerous for us, as customers, to stick our most private of parts into women that may well be providing services to dozens and dozens of different men each month. It is also dangerous for the significant others of those of you who are in a relationship and visit SPs. It is also dangerous for the SPs themselves, seeing that they are the ones that are exposed to hundreds of penises each year.

I enjoy the feeling of a beautiful woman's lips against my naked member as much as the next guy. But I am willing to forego that pleasure in order to keep myself and my favorite SPs safe, clean, and healthy. How about it guys. Join in the Condom Only revolution! It really does make sense, you know.

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

Is this the ANAMW? Association of N. American Mongerer's wives ?

 

[Penhold]

This is my first post.
I have enjoyed the service that PERB provides and check fairly often for new posts, etc. I think the most important service that PERB provides are the warnings of the SPs that turn out to be rip-offs and do not provide an advertised service.

I want to start a discussion about health issues, however. While I do understand the appeal of BBBJ, DATO, DATY, and etc, I want to express my concern about these practices. I feel it is unsafe for everyone involved. This is the age of AIDS, hepititus and other diseases. It is dangerous for us, as customers, to stick our most private of parts into women that may well be providing services to dozens and dozens of different men each month. It is also dangerous for the significant others of those of you who are in a relationship and visit SPs. It is also dangerous for the SPs themselves, seeing that they are the ones that are exposed to hundreds of penises each year.

I enjoy the feeling of a beautiful woman's lips against my naked member as much as the next guy. But I am willing to forego that pleasure in order to keep myself and my favorite SPs safe, clean, and healthy. How about it guys. Join in the Condom Only revolution! It really does make sense, you know.

American Male

Good points but if you go back and use the search feature and also read old threads you'll find this topic has been beaten to death. In fact, if it came up any more regularly on PERB we could all set our clocks by it.

Even if everyone on PERB gave up bbbj, dato and daty, there is no assurance whatever that other clients of the SP will do the same, or that the SP will not engage in those and other activities with her significant other (or otherwise in her private life).

I'm happy to have everything safe and covered. I also realize that SPs can at times engage in some uncovered activities with others, whether they be clients, boyfriends, spouses or whatever.

If this is a significant concern for you, I respectfully suggest that this hobby is probably not for you.


Penhold
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Tired of beating dead horses.

 

[roadguy]

Shouldn't it be a significant concern to EVERYBODY!
I don't mountain bike at 50 miles an hour without proper head gear.
In my apartment buiding I have watched people die of aids.
It is not a pretty site.
I agree with American Male as a responsible person you have a responsibiity
not to engage high risk behavior.
It's a no brainer
Why enage in behavior that could endanger your life or those that you care
about.
It's not like we don't know the risks.

 

[American Male]

Re: Re: Safety, health, your escort, and you!

American Male

I'm happy to have everything safe and covered. I also realize that SPs can at times engage in some uncovered activities with others, whether they be clients, boyfriends, spouses or whatever.


Penhold
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Tired of beating dead horses.

That is exactly my point, Penholder. I cannot control, nor do I want to control, the actions of others. We are each responsible for our own activities. I am sure that some SPs do provide unprotected service to some customers. I was simply offering encouragement, to both SPs and customers, that it is potentially hazardous to our collective healths to do so. I feel safe in this regard, I and the SPs that I have engaged for services use the condom. In fact, my favorite SP and I were discussing this issue at my last appointment and we agreed that it would be a good idea to put up a post in this matter.

This one is for Lisa. Thanks, Honey.

 

[American Male]

there is always a risk - may i suggest abstinence

I could not agree with you more, lebagyptian. Getting out of bed in the morning is the leading cause of death. Life is risk. But if we can significantly reduce one kind of risk in one particular area of our lives, why would we not want to do that?

However, your professional attitude surprises me. I represent a potential client. I and men like me, are money in your pocket. Why do you suggest that I refrain from the very activity that could mean more profit for you? I am puzzled.

 

[chuck1561]

there is always a risk - may i suggest abstinence

 

[Avery]

Another newbie who knows better than everyone else! This topic has been hashed, rehashed, rerehashed...

Different people have different levels of risk tolerance. Find a provider whose levels match yours. Don't do anything beyond your own risk tolerance. End of story.

 

[roadguy]

Yes it is the end of story for many who practice high risk behavior.
Duh!
They die.
I don't think he is saying he knows better than everyone else.
More responsible behavior = more safety for everyone.
Less responsible behavior = less safety for everyone.
Any SP I want to visit would practice responsible behavior at all times.
To suggest that this is just a matter of personal choice demeans the issue.
8000 folks die everyday of aids. Do you think that was a conscious choice?
5 people die every minute.
If this is a matter that is not of some concern to you well I kinda think it should be.
End of my story.
Me thinks the discussion makes you uncomfortable for some reason.
I think it would be irresponsible NOT to discuss this.
Again and again and again.
Anything to encourage safe practices is a step in right direction and I feel totally
appropiate to discuss here.

 

[BC visitor]

In the US in 1999 (first hit that came up on Google, feeling a little lazy to night) 3.2 million people (more than 1 in 100) were injured in auto accidents with 41,345 fatalities. 38% of the fatalities were alcohol related. 4,695 pedestrians were killed in auto accidents. In 63% of the fatal accidents passengers were not wearing seatbelts.

I am not trying to minimize the threat or risk, or the terrible impact of AIDS.

But it is about personal choice and acceptable risk. I like everything covered except DATY; thanks, Alexis for that scarry stat, need to think about that now :-(

I know YOU want to discuss it, but to others who have been here longer it is a common thread (almost as common as the over priced SP thread!)

Please do a search and you will see all the discussions and flame wars.

If you want to contribute, please come with data, like Alexis, otherwise it is just another alarmist posting few will care to read.

Just my $0.02

 

[trackstar]

Sorry, I missed the other 3 billion posts on this subject... What are the risks again?

 

[Very Veronica]

Well i guess i should thank my lucky stars for my client last nite who was dressed head to toe to balls & cock in tight black rubber and insisted in not taking anything off until after i left.

 

[GINGER]

I personally think we all need to worry, that does not mean we can't have fun. Some risks in life makes life less boring,
Persolly AIDS is a risk I am not willing to take. There is also Mono, Hepatitas a through h, herpies, and many many more. Why take chances with your health, when the solution is so simple and way cheaper. Wrap it up.

 

[Cinnamon Girl]

My best advice

For those who are packing the undesirable STDs, Hep C etc...... and play anyway, knowing they are contagious,

give your F$^#@ing head a shake & cross check your conscience.

DON'T put others at risk.

please & thanks

 

[dirk_dog]

Re: My best advice

Theres no question theres is a certain amount of reckless behaviour out there. From the extreme cases you hear about in the news of AIDS/HIV +ve people purposely infecting others to those who dont know they have STDs and sleeping around.


Also, how do you ladies feel about guys who frequent the track and then frequent incall/outcall SPs. A cheap 1 or 2 green BBBJ on the low track in the morning, and then off to see the incall SP in the afternoon. Dont fool yourself, it happens.

For those who are packing the undesirable STDs, Hep C etc...... and play anyway, knowing they are contagious,

give your F$^#@ing head a shake & cross check your conscience.

DON'T put others at risk.

please & thanks

 

[American Male]

you don't seem to be too interested in the hobby as you are so worried about STUFF. why waste money and your time if you have your doubts. it's pointless.

It is because I am interested in the hobby that I am concerned about 'the stuff.' I have met several really fine and sexy SPs since arriving in Vancouver in September and a couple of those have become my favourites. Connecting with SPs is my main sexual outlet and it is a rare week that I do not connect with someone. I think that constitutes 'interest' don't you?

Avery's point is well taken. I have to live according to the risk level that I find tolerable. But that really only works if I am the only one that is effect by the risks I take. Have I given my significant other the same chance to make a choice if I call on an SP with whom I have unprotected sex? Are any of the SPs future clients given a choice?

Roadguy has made several good points during this discussion. Using a condom is a "no brainer" as he stated earlier. I also agree with him when he says that those of you who find this topic uncomfortable must have some reason for their discomfort.

I also want to point out that I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. If you are uncomfortable with the topic, fine. There is no gun being pointed to any of your heads to post a response. If you don't like the topic, move on the next one. Some of us feel, as does Roadguy, that we cannot have too much discussion on this topic. People are still dying.

Does that make you uncormfortable?
Good!!!!

 

[mathprof]

american male

we agree it's all risky (no one does BBFS any more). so what are the relative risks?

-condoms break or slip off (maybe 1-2% of the time, but that's only based on my experience)
-infection can happen when removing the condom if the area is not washed immediately (no personal stats available on that fortunately)
-there's a small amount of casual exchange of body fluids (eg. mouth to hand to...) even if you don't kiss or proceed uncovered.

although I concede that daty and bbbj probably contribute more risk to the experience, i'm not convinced by available data that the risk is significantly increased. as such, i think the line you are trying to draw (covered FS=acceptable risk; covered FS with DATY=unacceptable risk, perhaps even reckless) may make you feel better, but it may not in the end be justified.

i think it's a good discussion to have though...even again and again as more becomes known.

enjoy vancouver.

go team canada!

 

[American Male]

american male

we agree it's all risky (no one does BBFS any more). so what are the relative risks?

-condoms break or slip off (maybe 1-2% of the time, but that's only based on my experience)
-infection can happen when removing the condom if the area is not washed immediately (no personal stats available on that fortunately)
-there's a small amount of casual exchange of body fluids (eg. mouth to hand to...) even if you don't kiss or proceed uncovered.

although I concede that daty and bbbj probably contribute more risk to the experience, i'm not convinced by available data that the risk is significantly increased. as such, i think the line you are trying to draw (covered FS=acceptable risk; covered FS with DATY=unacceptable risk, perhaps even reckless) may make you feel better, but it may not in the end be justified.


You raise several good points, Mathprof. Risk does seem to be something that can be put onto a sliding scale. DATY, DATO, and BBBJ is probably situated on the low to middle of the risk scale, with unprotected FS being a high-end risk and I would even say an unacceptable risk. I will also agree that, in the era in which we live, ANY sort of sex encounter has a certain amount of risk. I do understand that risk cannot be totally eliminated. I mean, damn, how depressing would life be if the only means of sexual expression was masturbation because it was the only means that carried no risk. I have simply been encouraging everyone to reduce the risk of sex for yourself, your SPs, and all of the significant others involved.
See your SPs regularly, give extra donations when you can and above all, always Wrap Your Rascal!

 

[Maury Beniowski]

A-M, it's not what you say, but how you bring it across that irritates some. I think most pooners are well aware of the risks associated with this hobby. One the other hand, if it's risky for the guys, think about how much more risky it is for the gals. This activity is a lifestyle choice that satisfies two mutually exclusive needs. However, it is fueled by a sense of intangible urgency that comes from within.

No matter how you package it, you are merely preaching to the converted. The ones that engage in risky behavior will only learn by trial and error, and no amount of dire warnings will alter their behaviours. Thankfully, they are part of this community where they can engage in frank discussions, and hopefully, over time and with the wisdom of experience, they'll alter their activities.

Like some have said above, this topic has been aired on countless occasions. Don't mean to de-rail your noble task; however, a discussion on gardening or goat herding might be better received.

 

[Cock Throppled]

While statistically oral sex and HIV transmission hasn't been shown to be prevalent - statistics only mean nothing if you're not the one in a milllion or one in a billion that contracts something - then the rate is 100%. Viruses evolve and adapt - what today is not a worry can be tomorrow's killer. Also - there are plenty of other things that can be transmitted via oral sex. American male is pointing out we can't control other people's behaviour - so we had better take our personal care into our own control. I don't see anything wrong in that message.