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Rotcod

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Its been a few years now since I first started partaking in this 'hobby'. In the time frame, I have been lucky enough to see some very amazing ladies, but oddly enough I have never been asked for references from previously seen sp...until recently.

Seeing as I have never been in this situation before, I was wondering if I could ask the guys, and especially the working gals here what the proper etiquette is for providing references to a sp you have not seen before. Whose responsibility is it to contact the previously seen sp, and how do the ladies feel about the 'competition' contacting them about the gentleman in question?
 

Holly Taylor

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I will always respond to a reference request from another lady. I don't receive them often, but I always respond as soon as I can. I believe that due to the quasi-legal status of our work, it's important to stick together, help each other, and look out for each other.

I don't see the other ladies as competition- I suppose those of us who are similar in appearance might be considered competitors, like "thin brunettes in their 20s" would probably be my main competitors. But in fact, I often try to recommend someone similar to myself if I am unavailable, and I know other ladies do the same for me (much appreciated, by the way- thanks ladies!).

I don't often ask for references, but sometimes I do. Sometimes clients will offer references upfront, and I always check them out. Other ladies have always been happy to provide references for me.
 

FortunateOne

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There was a little discussion about it here. There were other threads but this one covers some of the basics without a bunch of guys getting all bent out of shape over the idea. References are SOP in the US, and have become very common for traveling sps.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=97174&highlight=references


Another form of reference can be forum board handle and your history of behaviour. Trollish, misogynitic, or trashing reviews will not work in your favour if you try setting something up with someone via pm, for example. (totally not saying that is you, btw)

An sp looking for references usually wants to know that you are reliable, genuine, and whether or not she will make a good match for you.
 

Voyeur

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I personally wouldn't have a problem being asked for a reference...aside from the fact that I have yet to poon. <chuckles> but if asked on the 2nd time, I'd offer the 1st experience as a reference without issue... I understand it is about her safety and about her feeling comfortable, and I support that.. hehe .. the more comfy she is, the better session we'll have I figure. ;)
 

melissa.in.abby

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Another form of reference can be forum board handle and your history of behaviour.
Yup, although, a lot of guys who book through here are lurkers so that doesn't help, but I usually ask for the persons handle as it makes me feel more sure about the date. BTW, I would be happy to provide a reference if needed.
 

Rotcod

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Yup, although, a lot of guys who book through here are lurkers so that doesn't help, but I usually ask for the persons handle as it makes me feel more sure about the date. BTW, I would be happy to provide a reference if needed.
That is kind of one of the reasons why I started posting here, rather than lurking. I figured a lot of the SP I see usually frequent these boards, so I thought by contributing in a positive and productive way it would vouch for my character if by chance I saw someone for the first time.

My understanding was, as far as providing references is concerned, that I would provide the name(s) of past sp I have seen, and then it would be up to prospective provider to contact the previously visited providers. So when I was asked to contact the previously visited sp myself and ask them to email the girl I was planning to see, it kind of threw me for a loop, (again, I have never been in this situation before)

As most of you know, I have not seen that many escorts, at least not compared to some of the other gentlemen here on this board, and any reviews I do are even more rare. It also does not exactly help that a lot of the women I have seen in the past are now retired, so when I am asked for a reference, sometimes its hard to come by.
 

FortunateOne

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My understanding was, as far as providing references is concerned, that I would provide the name(s) of past sp I have seen, and then it would be up to prospective provider to contact the previously visited providers.
I believe that this is exactly what should be happening with references. It is not up to you to contact the previously visited sp, but to simply provide the name and contact info to the sp you plan to see. She would contact the name(s) on your list for reply. This is how I remember Classy Angel and (I think) Victoria Jolie describe what they do.

And LovelyRubi has a good point, dood. References are to ensure physical safety, which I am sure you full well understand. They have nothing to do with outing a potential client, which I am also sure you full well understand. They are primarily requested by reputable and well reviewed sps who travel primarily to ensure their time is not being booked by someone unreliable.

If an sp has fully established her reputation thru past reviews, then she is fully within her rights to refuse service to anyone who will not respect her no review policy. There are a number of review boards that do not honour such requests by having a DNR list that sps can be on; the reason they continue their support of Perb is because this board honours their own policy.

I think you should have more of an issue with the fact that new sps who do not advertise here cannot be properly reviewed (by including full contact info) rather than whether or not a well respected, very reputable sp with many past good reviews doesn't get any new reviews.
 

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So, can I get references about you? Next time I come see you I'll ask you for a few men you've fucked (phone numbers, etc). YOu'll be more than willing to oblige, right
That's what review boards are for, champ. ;)
 

FortunateOne

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Well if you have issues with how it works, I suggest you get out of the business and go back to serving tables.

So, can I get references about you? Next time I come see you I'll ask you for a few men you've fucked (phone numbers, etc). YOu'll be more than willing to oblige, right
Where did she say she had issues with how it worked? :confused: It does seem that you have issues. Denial won't erase the fact that references have been required and used for several years by many sps, world-wide. If you don't see the sorts of escorts that do request them that says a little bit more about you and your budget, I guess.

FYI, I don't believe LovelyRubi actually requires references, but since I don't assume I know everything I would probably ask.

What part about the statement that sps already have references: these references are in the form of reviews don't you understand, exactly. You seem to have a whole trunk full of baggage and attitude. Try to stay on point rather than making wild accusations and comments that only make you look like someone with a longstanding grudge.

Oh, and don't forget to add the lapdog and white knight to anyone who starts agreeing that you are a jackass. That'll show 'em, superstar.
 

athaire

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I don't see what the big deal about references is......if you don't want to supply any kind of personal info or jump through those hoops then don't bother booking with those girls.....easy peasy....

I have only been asked once and I happily supplied personal info. The lady was a known provider of good character, so I knew I could feel reasonably confident she would not abuse the info.

Any other times I tried to book with providers that wanted more info I usually didn't have any issues due to the fact that I participate on the boards and am a known entity......

Participation can have its perks........rather than just lurking and then having to supply references etc. being one of them.....;)
 

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I don't think any lady who is of substance would have a problem providing a reference for a gent. We are cohorts, not competition, and I think we all want our suitors to only have fantatic expereinces.

With that said - discretion is very important. Please make sure that you contact the lady whose name you are using and let her know which other ladies may be contacting her.

While I am more than happy to provide a reference, I will not breach discretion to do so. In other words, unless I have an email or a phone call from you giving me permission to let lady xyz know you are wonderful - I will not be letting her know anything. I will simply respond to here with "I can't recall off hand who this gentleman may be. Please have him contact me to remind me of our previous meetings".


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Thais

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It's pretty simple, walk away. It's no different than a bar asking you for your own personal information. Why should you be asked to give away such information ? I went for lunch today at the diner in my building, they didn't ask for references to see how I ate or if I paid the bill.
If a woman asks you for references...do the whole industry a favour and say no thanks and walk.

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Well if you have issues with how it works, I suggest you get out of the business and go back to serving tables.
I think you made it on a "Do Not See Ever" list for many SPs.

Here are the excerpts from a Bad Date Sheet from a harm reduction agency in Calgary. Yes, it's street based so their trade has the reputation for being more violent. But one study of Vancouver agencies and independents, that included about 60 respondents, said that 2/3rds of them did not encounter violence. It means that one third did. I personally think that's too large a number.
A big reason why many escorts, unlike street workers, do not face such situations? References, reputation, and reviews.
In the US, a lot of escorts demand your full name and employment information - and get it. Always. Just, you know, a comment about how thing work...
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Shhift: Bad Date Sheet – November 2008, Shift:

Date: October 2008
Description of the event: Date picked up worker at the TNC at 5am. They had sex. After services the date did not want to pay. The date pulled out a long knife and threatened the worker.

Description of the Vehicle: A 1985 maroon Aero Star mini van with grey lining.
Description of the Date: A clean shaven white man, approximate age was 31years old. The date had blond short hair. The man was 5’9 to 5’10 feet tall. The date was wearing a white hat, blue jeans, and a hooded sweatshirt.
Date: September 15th, 2008
Description of the event: Date picked up worker on 15th avenue and Centre street. Worker was given money for service. Date then grabbed worker in violent way, worker jumped out. Worker took off and date kept driving by looking for her.
Description of the Vehicle: Blue, older car. Clean inside.
Description of the Date: Indian, Clean Shaven, Bug-eyed, 35-40 years of age, 6’1, 220lb
approx.

Date: July 2008 REPEAT OFFENDER!!!!!
Description of the event: Date picked up worker in the 9th avenue and Inglewood. The date picked up a worker and drove her to an industrial area. The date beat, strangled, and raped the worker. The date drove the worker back to 9th ave. The man gave the worker crack as she left the vehicle. The date told the worker that “All hookers are scum and deserve to die”.
Description of the Vehicle: A beige 4 door truck with tinted windows.
Description of the Date: A black man his late 40’s.

Date: May, 24th 2008
Description of the event: Date picked up worker on 14th ave and 1st street. Date paid, and grabbed worker by the throat and started strangling worker. He put the seat back where the worker was sitting, and got on top of her. He told her he was going to kill her. Date started punching worker in the back of the head, worker managed to get the door open, he grabbed the
workers purse and now has her identification and belongings. Worker started running and he drove and cut her off, so worker ran the other way and he drove up and got out of the truck, grabbed workers cell phone and tore it in half, the date then got in the truck and drove away.
Description of the Vehicle: Very clean green truck.
Description of the Date: A black man in his late twenties, The date Weighed 240 pounds, and
was approximately 5’10 to 6 feet tall.

Date: April or May
Description of event: Date picked up worker; he took the worker to his house. The date then beat the worker with a hammer.
Description of the date: An older, bald man with glasses.
Description of the Vehicle: 2004 Chrysler Sebring, green or gray in color.

Date: May 19th Repeat offender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Extremely dangerous
Description of the event: A couple of years ago a date picked up a worker and held a knife to her throat while he raped her. The workers said that the man was charged with several counts of abuse, confinement, and sexual assault in the past. The man was apparently arrested and served jail time. The worker saw the date on May 19th, driving around Centre Street and 15th avenue. It appeared that the man was looking for a date.
Description of the Date: A Chinese man with a large birthmark covering most of his forehead.
Description of the Vehicle: A 2007 4 door Toyota Corolla. The date typically drives newer models of nice cars.
 

Rotcod

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Good thread,

First what I answer are "reference requests" plus short summary to provider how great he is, then I answer the rest of emails. I think it's highly important to keep guys who see me and trust me happy and girls safe. Sometimes I pm provider myself and let her know that "Mr. Awesome etc." will knock at her PM-box.

Unfortunately we had 3 cases in Calgary recently where somebody gave me as fake reference in hopes girls wont check it or I will say yes yes yes sure etc.
That's why I was always for board white lists maybe just handles no private information. Unfortunately not many girls think it's such an awesome idea. But this is not a discussion point of this thread.

I do not think that pooners should be offended when provider asks for references..... Everybody talks about ymmv and how it can ruin the whole mood. So if you are nice and polite to SP and don't waste her time ---> the chances to have a great memorable encounter are higher.

just my 2.5 euro cents.....




If SP is reputable and has reviews by Seniors/long time pooners on board... it's more than enough for a guy to make a decision that she is not violent etc. Plus: "free will, it's a bitch" (Co. John Milton, Devils Advocate). You have your rules absolutely, so as SP does. If you do not feel comfortable, just walk away BUT do not suggest any SP to stop doing what she feels like to do. Thankfully there are so many men or women on this planet... you can always find somebody who sees you without any identification either it's a woman or a man (not sure if you are bi-curious :)) Anyways I am sure you are not here to make rules for somebody else :) and thank you very much for it.
Thanks for the response guys, especially from Heidi. Whenever I see a girl for the first time, I always try to put myself in her shoes, and direct her to this or the other board where she can observe my posts to get a better judge of my character (since I behave in much the same way in RL). If she is still cautious, then I would be more than happy to give the names of one or two girls I have seen in the past and who can vouch for my character. If that is still not good enough, then I would even offer to provide my RL name and place of employment. Anything past that, and I cannot help but feel a bit awkward.
 
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