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Pussyman

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I've heard the term PSE (Porn Star Experiance) thrown around a lot lately(maybe too loosely), such as recently with Crystal and Krissy at Penthouse(who I've both seen in the past). I've been visiting SP's for a number of year's and seen my share of Pornos but I have yet to meet any Jenna Jamesons out there. This has put me to wondering how some of you other hobbists define the term and what do you look for in such a session? Inquiring minds need to know. Thanks.
 

freakychef

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I agree.

Hey pussyman I agree. For that matter what is the difference between gfe and pse? I asked this before but got no responses. I mean I have done things with SP's that I have seen in porn movies does this qualify? Ymmv I guess. Everybodies definition is different. I guess if you do exactly what you want and love it and get off then thats what your looking for.
 

IceG

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i wrote a complete treatise on gfe/YMMV on the Fergie board so i will only touch on the highlights:
1. GFE: theoretical acronym for girlfriend experience: does she appear genuinely as opposed to professionally happy to see you? ie. if she is in a bad mood, will she tell you, or just go through the motions? i realize some guys don't give a fuck if she is in a good mood, but if you want a gfe, then this is the way it has to be. does she remember all of the smaller details you have exchanged in your sessions and pillow talk? is there alot of cuddling (either while standing or on the table)? is there kissing mouth to mouth? is there holding hands like you are in grade 7 again? does she always get excited when you massage her and doesn't seem concerned if you are 20 minutes over time because you massaged her? is there enough eye contact to make you feel like she is enjoying it (excluding when she is gripping the sheets or moaning or closing her eyes and holding the edge of the table for some counter-pushing)? does she shower with you and you both clean each other? i think it is the little things that make the gfe deal. i think the kissing and cuddling are the main physical differences to the PSE.


PSE: porn star experience: does she not give a fuck who you are, but want you to bang her senseless? does she give you uncovered russians and beg for some cream? does she kiss the area around your dick and sometimes a little bbj? does she try to probe you (not an exciting thing for me, but it might make some guys shoot)? fingers herself? asks you if you want her to use toys on herself? does she get so wet that you feel like your the porn star? if there was an audio recording of the session, would it make you want to fuck her again?


those are some of my thoughts.
 

freakychef

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Lucky!!

Well what if you get one girl who does all the above in both categories? I don't know about you but I would not want to share!! I have found girls like this on a few occassions. I even proceded to have a nine month realationship with one. Mind you she was not in Calgary or Edmonton. Her love of sex with different men led to our break up. She absolutely loved having sex all the time.
 

IceG

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chef, that is exactly why i declined to indicate who are my actual all-time hall of famers to acc back on the fergie board. i can honestly say that i have socialized out of the parlor with my favorites and i would hate for them to feel like i have cheapened the extras i have received from them by bragging about it on the internet. it was all about the one post at Canbest and kissing where you actually had some idiot ask a sp about kissing and say that he read a post about it. how stupid is that guy? what is she going to say, yeah, i will kiss you for $10 more? she probably felt betrayed by any guy that she actually MIGHT have even kissed. whatever boundaries she sets are the ones you follow. if she really does like you, then alot can happen, but you really do have to earn her trust over time. you have to remember that these women have to deal with alot of 3D losers.
 

freakychef

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I agree

Hey Iceg. I agree with you. If I meet a girl and we end up caring for each other I do not want the whole world knowing our buissnes. I do beleive these boards do serve a purpose. I mean I for one do not really like taking one for the team. I just want to feel like I got my moneys worth. There are ass#$%^ out there and SP's who are crappy out there.
 

diesel

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The blonde twins that used to be at universal a few years ago were a great PSE if you could handle them. If you want a TRUE PSE why not go to vegas or L.A and get the real thing. Several websites offer various Pstars. BIG BIG $ but think of the bragging rights when you got back home.
 

freakychef

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diesel

You can have big name porn stars come to you. They travel all the time. Some even tour in the major cities so you do not have to even pay their traveling fees. See other Canada reviews/ Calgary, there are a few threads on the subject there.
 

diesel

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I know of some stars that go on tour to strip clubs (ie.showgirls) Sometimes you can arrange a get together through the ladies website ( most stars seem to have one now). Just check the comming attractions lists of the clubs and sometimes you can get lucky.
 

IceG

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after reading about BFE (best friend experience) as Walter coined it, i have to add there is one intangible that no one is factoring in: THESE ARE WOMEN and they are going to be attracted to each client to EXTREMELY varying degrees. So, that is why as i said earlier, i do not write about the details because every guy is going to have a considerable variance regardless of the fact it is the same sp especially when you factor in the other variables, ie. she is in a bad mood, she just had a bad client, conversely, she is in a good mood, etc.

i only try to post the objective date on the looks and a little bit on my perceptions as to the sp attitudes and style. i base my attendance and repeats on primarily looks because i like to have a good time with a hottie. we have to be honest, if you are a good looking guy and don't act like an asshole when you are there, then you are going to have a good time with 95% of sp because they do not always get to pick their clients and they are going to want to put a solid effort out for you if you are handsome and gentlemanly (because they want the money and they actually have some fun). the real fun happens when they feel they trust you enough and then they let you be bad with them in the right way (or even they charge you less or you end up hanging out together). sometimes it gets really fucking complicated if you do the latter, but that is another issue.

my opinion on the BFE thing is that would be just fucked up. i would call it a lack of chemistry or whatever, but i could not imagine her talking about idle bullshit. i mean silence is the way to go if she is not into it, at least then it does not interfere with the session.
 

freakychef

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Ymmv!!!

Hey Ice G thats why I like the term ymmv. It is pretty accurate. Just cause some hottie likes you and gets real nasty and into it does not mean she is guaranted to do the exact same thing with someone else. I find in this industry manners go a long way with most girls. Just because you are gettin sum does not mean you should treat her like a piece of meat. IMO. If you come off honest and sincere she will probably be more agreable to some things. Oh and I have had three long term realationships with Sp's outside of our client provider scenario. I do not regret a single one either. Lets not foget that these girls are human!!I don't care who you are most people love sex. including SP's. Not all are just in it to rip you off. Some actually like sex with multiple partners. Just my opinion.
 

diesel

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YMMV is very true. If you come in acting like an ass and looking like you crawled out of a dumpster you can bet your rates will be higher and less extras will be offered to you. If you act and dress like you would on a regular date you will most likely be shown a better time. If a lady doesnt seem interested in the session you probably dont appeal to her individual tastes. dont get mad and be an ass about it just dont go back to her again. You have to remember these women are human like us and will show more interest in someone she is attracted to. If you really like petite and the only ladies available are full figured you wont be very interested so give the ladies a break. Also remember that compliments can go a long way with ANY lady. The nicer you treat her the better she will treat you. When a lady is honestly attracted to you she will probably not tell you directly but rather show you with little extras durring the session and will invite you back soon ( she may even tell you her schedule to make sure you come back to her). Dont expect a discount from the lady just cause she likes you as this is a job for her and she has to pay the mp boss. you will get better traetment each time if you dont act like a cheap s.o.b and try to get more for less. Expect to pay the same all the time and she will just throw in whatever extra she would like to give you that day. We all want an attractive lady and they all want a handsome man but remember that all our tastes vary and just cause you think you look good doesnt mean she thinks so. when you find a lady that really likes you stick with her and you will always have a good time.
 

TheHappyHooker

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Thanks Diesel for bringing up one of the situations I find most uncomfortable. As soon as a client starts expecting more time, discounts, because you seem to be enjoying yourself is disrespectful and rude. One of my favorite comments, made a few times if I really got into the session or he made me go once or twice "Hey, you should be paying me!" Never said to me in a rude fashion, but even as a joke, makes me VERY uncomfortable. The money issue should never be brought up once the rates have been set. It only makes both people feel awkward.

Unfortunately, women remember those comments longer than the orgasm, and slowly, those little perks go away as the clock moves to the side of the bed.

Its hard with a GFE experience, as you tend to repeat and develop a friendship and a closeness, but you must never forget that this is a business. Drop the right amount of money on the counter as soon as you walk in (if she counts it in front of you, she's being just as disrespectful and rude). She shouldn't have to ask, and you don't want to come off looking cheap.

Always respect that it's a business. If you do, those little things you appreciate are her way of saying thanks, and they'll keep coming (and cuming, and cuming).
 

freakychef

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How about sum luv?

Okay Diesel rocks, but what about me I posted before him on manners and respect?? (HA HA I just kidding)
 

Dr Phibes

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Pretty much anyone who knows to treat the ladies with respect Rocks. :)
 

IceG

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diesel and happy have covered the point of how to maintain a very solid professional relationship in the studio. i was only alluding to the fact that (in semi-rare, but not impossible) certain situations you make (mutual) decisions to pursue an actual real person relationship and change it from the trick/sp relationship. i have no problems paying in a pro deal, but my point was that i always pay an EXTRA amount if i enjoy the action. i can honestly say that sp's have given a little back if they were not feeling well or whatever because they know that we have had better times in the past. i have NEVER asked for a discount. i have been given it at the sp's discretion.

happy is talking about the fact that she would like to keep all her relationships at a professional level and i can respect that issue. i (and freakychef can vouch for it) was also addressing the fact that sometimes with the right combination, you end up seeing each other in your real life on whatever terms you both agree to. i am NOT one of those losers who book a session at the end (thinking you are oh so nonchalant) of a sp's shift in the prayer that we can go for a drink. (but the sp's that i have hung out in real life with have told me that is a common and kind of creepy tactic used by some guys, you know who you are). Guy, get real, if she really wants to hang out in the non mp world, she will either give you enough hints or just tell you. otherwise, keep it to the terms diesel has described as he is obviously happy as a very intimate trick and that is fine with him. if you are married or involved, this is probably the way you are rolling, so fine, but happy has to deal with the whole group of her regulars who she is NOT really personally attracted to, but still has a professional relationship with them. these guys are kind of badgering her for a real relationship and this is what makes her uncomfortable. i have been asked out and given real names and phone numbers with the right ladies as i am not married and i do not have anything to hide. i think that sp's know if you have any actual game in the real world by the way you interact with them. therefore, they can connect the dots and say that you might be a person she could hang out with in the real world as it is hard for some of these women to form any real substantial interpersonal relationships due to the nature of the work and at times, some negative past history with men. this is when it gets complicated because you have to redefine what you are going to do about the money and it is not a simple task because the sp does not want to lose a valuable "trick", but no guy who is good looking and single is going to want to continue to pay for certain things if you are going to attempt a real relationship. then you progress to whether the sp should continue in the business, etc. (this is the area where i indicated it gets really fucking complicated).
 

freakychef

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Complicated?!

Oh I totally agree having been in that situation. Your right Ice. Say you form a relationship with a girl and you become sort of a couple do you really want to be on the clock and pay to sleep with your girlfreind. She might want you as a boyfreind but you can bet she still wants your income. It is tough because life is not perfect. No matter how casually we take sex feelings still factor in. To become a decent regular and do things such as greek, daty and so on there usually is needed some type of trust involved. If she trusts and even likes you this opens a whole can of worms. Like Ice said complicated. It can however work out great if you both are honest going into it. I have had two semi long term relationships come from seeing SP's. One was 9 months the other is five and still goimg as we are still great freinds. I don't regret either one. The hardest part is when the guys jealousy factor kicks in because it always will.
 

TheHappyHooker

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Sorry freaky chef didn't mean to make you feel unluved!

Any SP who decides she wants to date you, or see you on a personal level and still asks for money is a bitch.

I have been involved with a client or two beyond the professional level a few times with totally different outcomes. One of the guys ended up being someone who just wanted free sex, so that ended pretty quick. If you want to date your sp, you have to be willing to put more into it than that. We have sex all the time, so when we pursue something, we are obviously looking for more.

The other guy couldn't deal with the fact that I wasn't going to quit working. I feel for the guys that date a working girl (don't think I could do it), but it's not as if it's a surprise or anything. This is how you met, after all. Thick skin and a large amount of trust are the only things to pull you through that one. Sticky situation.