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Groo39

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I'm really impressed

I'm really impressed with how many posters have shown up to discuss the issue, and to do so without flaming each other. I think it's a sign of hope for the future tone of the board, and for the hobby itself. Had everyone been so fair and open all along, this whole thread would have never existed.

I offer a virtual toast to everyone -- especially those who are questioning the tone of their own posts and deciding whether it needs to change.

Cheers!
 

wilde

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PiL said:
First of all, it will be no surprise that I agree 100% with Groo et al about the need for change and a measure of respect for all people on PERB. Are people taking this too seriously? I don't know....who among us enjoys being disrespected and demeaned on a frequent basis (excluding those with a specific kink for that, of course)? This isn't about moral ground so much as it is about giving the ground people should be entitled to in the first place and not discriminating based on gender. Making the industry better for the women also had economic practicality in that instilling equality and respect will encourage more good women to stay longer (especially the gems), it will weed out the frauds, and benefit us by having happier girls willing to give more if they are also allowed to keep their dignity as well.

Being an escort shouldn't necessitate trading in all your self-respect and allowing clients to demean you and treat you like an object. We already have enough problems like this in relation to attitudes that lead to violence against women, so I don't understand why people would want to foster that poison here as well.

PiL
You should call your local charitable organizations too, Mr. Moral. Are people taking this too seriously? Well. I don't know but you are the only one answering..........
 

Groo39

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2cums said:

as usual, there're people who hate a member and there're people who defend the member.
it's all good.
Don't misunderstand, 2C -- it's about the tone of posts and the board. The G97/HM nonesense was just a striking example, this thread is not about their argument.

And should G97 opt to try and turn this into another thread about the HM issue, she should be booted as well. The issue is dead, and it's hijacked more than enough threads on this board already.
 

dittman

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Grendleaxe said:
It's funny. The only reason any of us are in this "hobby" is the SP's. If it weren't for the ladies there wouldn't be a board. We wouldn't have anything to talk about, no information to share and would have to spend our money on things like feeding the hungry.


I never said anything bad about the ladies that service us hobbiest, but what i did mean was why is that that anylady that has exited the board always make these outlandish claims, never back them up and then have to give us the drama queen b.s.

I cant speak for anyone else but for me I dont care. You can count the number of sps that participate on the board on a regular basis on one hand, which means its pretty much an all guys club anyway.

If one doesnt like a thread they can move on to the next one no one is forcing them to read or to repond to any particular thread.
 

Groo39

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dittman said:
I never said anything bad about the ladies that service us hobbiest, but what i did mean was why is that that anylady that has exited the board always make these outlandish claims, never back them up and then have to give us the drama queen b.s.
Actually Girl97 had backed up her side of the story in this thread, but then had begun the same series of arguments over the HM issue. Either she or the mods deleted her comments to prevent the thread from turning into another off-topic flamefest.

Removing her posts has apparently included removing the evidence. You are incorrect to assume that means the accusations were unfounded. You are very good at twisting posts to suit your own wishes, regardless of what really happened.
 

HowieMeeker

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Take a lesson in being fair Mr. Groo

Groo.

Post your crap all you want. It is an open forum. But get your facts straight. Stalking? Just because some idiot promotion expert says something, you believe it? If you have even an ounce of knowledge, you would know that such a scenario is not only WAY out of the realm of possibility, character etc - the accusation is crap. Just got too close to someone's "reality" and it the rest is really pathetic history.

In the future, check facts. You seem like a decent guy otherwise and actually contribute reviews etc. I remember those days too. Just watch out for that day when you post too close to the truth. All H E Double Hockey stick breaks out.

For those going to post more violin music posts here. Please don't for my benefit, I won't be looking. Get back to seeing those women worth seeing and post fair reviews. Women, get over the fact that such sites exist. All those others with agendas, get a friggin' life.
 
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HowieMeeker

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P.S.

Not a SINGLE threat has ever been issued by moi. I do NOT stalk anything other than imported beer on weekends. I saw a certain controversial SP one day and made the comment to that individual IN RESPONSE to an unsolicited PM and next thing I am a stalker trying to ruin the board.

Think hard here. I went away BECAUSE the board was being impacted and distracted by something I NEVER intended or started. Now, months later, same old shite being dredged out over and over and over again. Groo, Pil and others. Either back up your baseless claims or just move on. I will remain out of the limelight as it does not appear healthy to the board which will go on just fine.

Lighten up everyone. Sheesh beyond belief.
 

sirlickheralot

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Yawn!!

girl97 said:
Squirrel? No offence meant, but let this play out.
This has already played out for far too long. G97 you have said that your business is thriving and you have met a number of great clients. Like the saying goes, The best revenge is living well, enjoy the fruits of your labour and don't dwell in the past.

It is rather obvious that HW and OB will never see eye to eye, so why don't you both just agree to disagree. If you can't stand each other put one another on your ignore lists, don't exchange PM's, don't exchange e-mails, and don't respond to one anothers posts. This board is big enough for both of you, just avoid each other, it would be preferable to the pointless bickering that never goes anywhere.
 

Johnsam

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Wait to go G39 now they're both back!!!!!!!

Maybe G39 can get a few others back as well. Like I said before I quit reading after the first on and on and on.

My comment maybe offensive to some, but this is toooooo funny. Kind of like most of the threads on here. The thread starter states his views and the thread gets taken over by some comments that have little to do with the original topic.

Maybe you ought to try again G39.
 

bigdman

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PiL said:
I think part of the whole point Groo is trying to make is that you *shouldn't* be sorry for giving an honest review.....but you *should* be upset that the thread was twisted into something more sinister and self-serving. Do you not attach any self-worth to your efforts so as to not feel something at their loss when someone like HM tears it down? Does your need to conform among the other "bros" come before everything else?

PiL

PiL
I am more of a neutral guy, I only say things that I think is right, regardless of whether its the "bors" side or the "ladies" side.
 

PinkLady

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Howie did you have your negative review deleted?

Ophelia Black (Girl97)
"I'm sure the guys will be thanking their lucky stars for the kind of girls the board attracts now."


Yes the kind gentleman are very lucky to have quality SPs like Gina Lee, Victoria Lee, Bruce Lee (oops couldn't resist).

The lucky gentleman are even LUCKIER to NOT have the woe-is-me drama queens who just won't leave! Byebye Girl97, you were a lousy lay for Howie that's why you campaigned to have his negative review deleted.
 

dittman

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pinklady is right this thread and its relatives has gone on way to long. g97 is making money, has a decent client list, said that she was going to move on so do it, dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
 

Johnsam

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G97 Solution

If you are a little more explicit with self-promoting. I'm sure mod will delete your identity. Of course you can just ask mod to delete your identity as well. Or perhaps make a deal with one of the computer systems experts on here, who can probably find a simple solution for you.

Good luck in your quest. I think I'll take Mr Squirrel's advice and enjoy the rays.
 

bigdman

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Pinklady,

I wonder why am I involved in this altercation? I saw OB twice and I expressed my sincere reviews. I believe in YMMV term. Maybe HW did see OB or not. HW also expressed his unpleasant encounter.
Like I said, I am not on anybody's side. I still stay at neutral. I would only comment on things that I don't like. I am not in favour of "bros before hos" motto nor will I be on the ladies' side. I hope this can inject some clarifying fluid which can help to clear up your brain for the moment.

If you are still persistantly trying to attack members on this board like a mad dog, I urge you to move on and get a life.

You complained about G97/OB picking on fights and can you please tell me what the F are you doing now? Picking on fights with members here?

BTW, like HelloKitty said, you supposed to send your monthly ad fee to Fred Zed for using this site to promotting your services...

If OB only sees foreign clients or just takes outcalls, it none of my or your business...

If you try to slam or critisize the members here, why don't you take a number and wait in the line, its not your turn yet according to seniority...
 

bigdman

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godzilla,

You got it totally wrong...I am not defending anyone here, not G97.

I think your comment is a bit out of line here, did you see my action of defending G97...?
The only one (SP) I ever defended was VL...

I did not defend G97 (aka OB) was because she did not provide enough proof which could make me to defend her; I believe in proof, its because HW could not say where OB's location was, doesn't mean he had not seen her before, he could have seen her in another location (Yaletown) maybe...
Therefore, I am not on anyone's side, did you just read the bottom few paragraphs or the entire post, godzilla??
IF you did not read the entire post, please do not comment anything...unless you are on Pinklady side??
can't you see, she is trying to split the pooners into 2 different groups...wake up and smell the coffee..., or maybe its too early for you to sense....it...??
 

PiL

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The problem with this thread

I think the problem that has become all too evident with his thread is that Groo made the colossal mistake of mentioning G97/HM in framing his disgust with a wide array of debasing reviews and conduct allowed to take place on PERB.

For those who have hijacked this into yet another thread about OB vs HM (please note it wasn't either of these two who did it either), you have missed the point entirely. That altercation is one of dozens (if not hundreds) of examples to be found where there is a PERB culture that allows and even encourages the demeaning and disrespecting of women that infects reviews. Attempts to divert the issue into one about a singular instance does not change the fact that there is a much larger and pervasive problem that people are trying to avoid and spin disussion away from at all costs.

I'd suggest maybe Groo ask this thread to be locked or deleted so that a real discussion clear of this misdirection can take place. I'd be interested to hear from those who oppose OB/G97 in this thread to see if they are in support of the demeaning of SPs and treating them as objects instead of individuals worthy of basic respect because they always avoid it when they post. Surely you have nothing to fear from admitting you enjoy belittling and degrading women because it makes you feel good and you don't view it as a bad thing, right?

PiL
 

bigdman

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PiL,

I think I would be the first one to respond to such discussion.
As you might have read some of my posts before, I have never treated SP's or women as objects..., I respect their spirits for putting up with things they sometimes don't really want to do. Not all SP's like to see different types of men, Sometimes these men are just not their type, but these SP's still have to deal with it or other reasons.
I never degrade any women or SP's. I never call SP's "whore" and alsways respect them as humans.
 

DynamiteKid

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If you can't stand the heat

I thought someone said that if you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Why would you want to close a thread just because there are people with different views?

It is not as if the men are stalking each other on this board. Sorry bigdman, I just couldn't resist that one. :p
 

bigdman

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AS a matter of fact, I don't mind SP stalking me..., I almost welcome them to do so...:D ....:D ......:D
 
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