One dead in Virginia school shooting

citylover

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What better time for such a discussion than when 30 young people were murdered in cold blood?
naaahhh, from the NRA types it's the worst time, cause they're skeered something might actually passes that keeps guns out of the hands of loonies & criminals.

There really is no good time to discuss effective gun control in amerikkka. cause they don't want anything effective.
 

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People that use guns in this way to kill other people it is not about gun laws or anything else . It is about rage!!! They are pissed off and/or mentaly ill..
Access to guns be is easy or hard, people will react with rage. Guns are the means to releasing that rage.... I think we need to focus more on the reason the person did this..You not blame the gun a total inadamit object.....

naaahh, guns make it easy to kill. it's far more likely to survive an attack from someone who only wields a knife, or a bat, or a frying pan, or just their fists, than if someone shoots you, especially w/ an automatic weapon.

even those who buy a gun for self-protection are far more likely to die from it than they are to use it against an attacker.

it's all about gun control laws. that's why Canada's murder rate is far less than amerikkka's. that's why there's such a long list of mass shootings in the US.

w/o effective gun control laws, ya might as well just play russian roulette. unfortunately, they're playing it w/ us

But I'm sure we're due to hear from the criminal lobby, the NRA, that things woulda been better if the psycho in Virginia had signed up for one of their courses. Then maybe he'da killed 75 people instead of just 32 or so.


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The murder of 27+ people aside, the only tragedy that has taken place on these boards is that so many of us will use this terrible event as a reason to mock the States.

I do not agree with the gun control laws (or lack of them) in the States, and I certainly disagree with mr. Heston and his cronies.

Now, as to the arguement over "more people packing heat = safer lands"... I think the percentage of the populace that's nuts and prone to violence really has no correspondence to the numbers packing heat. Put more guns on the streets, and more loonies will have them as well as more lawful citizens.

On the lighter side of things, I'm sure Bush will somehow insert a link to the war on terror with this tragedy. That will be humourous.
 

citylover

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We don't need an excuse like this to mock amerikkka. they provide the grist for that every day.

I'll say one more thing & then step off the soap box:

If the psycho was only able to buy a bag of weed instead of an automatic weapon, no one would have died.




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I have no idea what this thread is about as I'm too lazy to read the various permutations.....

I will go off the title. Shoot someone? Bad, Bad, Bad.

That's not the "thing" for most.

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Fudd

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OK, I guess my day wasn't as bad as this crap that went on in Virgina.
 

The Lizard King

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Damit...there should be MORE guns! In fact, carrying guns should be mandatory. Imagine if this crazy fucker came in and everybody in the school was armed... he would have pulled out his gun to shoot but so would have everybody else and they would have aimed at him and saved some lives!
 

Fudd

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Responding to violence with violence is not the way. If someone else had a gun what would have happended is there would have been a major shoot out between the two and even more people would have died in the cross fire.
 

citylover

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Responding to violence with violence is not the way. If someone else had a gun what would have happended is there would have been a major shoot out between the two and even more people would have died in the cross fire.
Definitely, cause that's why amerikkka has such a ridiculously hi death rate from guns now. amerikkka's in the grips of a death cult, it don't care about the lives of its own citizens & it really don't care about lives around the world -- that's why it kills 10s of 1000s of brown skinned people in the mideast in the vain hope for cheaper oil.

More guns means more deaths, & more Va. Techs just waiting to happen (Of course, some of us said this after Columbine, after Jonesboro, but & the same bullshit from the NRA criminal lobby pops up)

There are other factors that affect death rate by guns than simply the massive amount of guns flooding amerikkka's streets. But the prevalence of guns appears to be the greatest cause and the easiest thing we could do about our brothers and sisters dying.

That is, IF amerikkka really cared about the life of its own citizens, of course. But that's a mighty big IF.

Not that I really expect the facts to affect an ideologue in any case, but the general rule of thumb long held from a study in the New England Journal of Medicine concluded that gun possession increased the risk of homicide victimization by a factor of 2.8. That means in a household w/ a gun, it is 2.8 times more likely for one of the family members to die from a gun shot than a household w/o a gun. But I'm sure y'all feel real safe w/ your piece.

a more recent study of US states & regions found:

In region- and state-level analyses, a robust association between rates of household firearm ownership and homicide was found. Regionally, the association exists for victims aged 5 to 14 years and those 35 years and older. At the state level, the association exists for every age group over age 5, even after controlling for poverty, urbanization, unemployment, alcohol consumption, and nonlethal violent crime.
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/92/12/1988

It looked at "high gun ownership" states in the US & "low gun ownership" states, of roughly equal populations (158-160 million in each category) and found a stark contrast in the # of gun related deaths:

Hi gun ownership states had 21,148 gun related deaths

Low gun ownership states had 7,266 gun related deaths

Hi gun ownership rates have almost 3 times the number of deaths than low gun ownership states do
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/92/12/1988/T3

The conclusion is simple: more guns means massively more deaths. Period.

Canada, Australia, England -- they all have somewhat more sensible gun control laws, all have MASSIVELY lower death rates by guns, yet all of them STILL allow hunting. But in amerikkka, even outlawing cop killer bullets & automatic weapons is considered "taking guns away from everyone."

If amerikkka really cared about life it could easily protect its citizens beside these things. Any automatic or semi-automatic weapon could be banned immediately; any magazine clips of multiple bullets could be outlawed. Handguns, if not completely banned, could be strictly controlled & regulated. None of these would affect anyone who really wants to hunt.

But a psycho couldn't walk into a store & buy a glock 9 mm on Monday and show up on campus in a bullet proof vest on Tuesday. This is your NRA at work, amerikkka.

But amerikkka doesn't like life. it leaves its youth available for slaughter. So, we will be having this discussion again when the next tragedy occurs on a school yard or at a McDonald's.
 

citylover

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Excellent comments.

The only thing I will add, is that the American government equals to the American people. I don't believe there is a disconnect between the two.

Meaning by and large the US has the gun laws they want.

If that wasn't the case they would change them and vote out those who opposed strengthing them.

Recently on CNN there was a discussion about why Democrates don't tout tougher gun laws in the wake of the Virginia shootings and basically it was said that this would cost them too many rural and southern votes and move them too far to the left of the political spectrum.

We've been guilty of the same thing. Did anyone honestly think that when we re-elected the NDP into power that we didn't get exactly what we deserved when the Ferry fiasco occurred?

can't argue too much w/ you there. Altho, it's not just that public opinion automatically becomes public policy. Surveys & polls show most people want more controls over guns, but the NRA criminal lobbies have a death grip on policy -- they are able to keep public sentiment becoming law.

Hardly the only case of this, of course, where the politicians are spineless.

But, yeah, if they really cared about their bros & sisters dying you'd think they do something about it.

& the Dems? a bunch of cowards. they believe they lost the Congress in 1994 over gun control, and they lost 2000 -- altho Gore still won more votes than the Shrub, & won Florida if it hadn't been stolen by the brown shirts.

So we can expect to hear about this again when the inevitable happens and some other Jonesboro or Va. Tech happens.... & we can expect the NRA criminal types immediately come out & say "The answer is we need more guns!!!!!"
 

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America doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. The solution to the gun violence has already been solved courtesy of your neighbors to the south. It appears to be impossible to ban all guns in the states due to those stupid gun lobbyist and the gun corporations who are profiting from all the violence but the solution is right here. Register those stupid guns!!!!

This will give the police a valuable tool to fight crime and they can identify which guns are the most dangerous (assault guns of course) and take them off the streets. Although, when Canada started our gun registry it was very difficult to get some gun nuts to go along but I have no problem with registering the air rifle that my uncle used in I believe the Common Wealth Games in the 1960’s that he left me.

Unfortunately, recently we ended up with some insane right wing politicians who are in the process of getting rid of the registry which will probably cause the rate of gun violence in Canada to rise again as compared to before the registry was in place so I guess the computer system will be up for sale if America wants to buy it.
 

The Lizard King

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On TV maybe..in real life not bloody likely...BTW, that's why trained professionals (ie cops) exit, is so they can handle these types of incidents without innocent people playing cowboys and indians and getting shot and possibly killed.
Relax, I was just fucking around.

Bloody news channells....still spending all this time on ancient history. Didn't this happen, like, almost a week ago or something. The fuckers are depriving us of real news....say, how's Anna Nicole's kid doin' these days?
 

TheRater

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Don't you just love the US Constitutional Right that allows almost anyone who want one to have a gun.
Why don't you campaign for a band on steak knives, frying pans, cars, baseball bats, etc. etc. etc.

In fact ban anything that could ever be used to kill someone.

You still do not get it. The ONLY thing gun control has done is ensure that criminals (or pre-criminals) are the ones using them illegally. dur ...

Responsible gun owners do not need these controls and criminals ignore them. That is why they are criminals. dur ...

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TheRater

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On TV maybe..in real life not bloody likely...BTW, that's why trained professionals (ie cops) exit, is so they can handle these types of incidents without innocent people playing cowboys and indians and getting shot and possibly killed.
I would laugh out loud but I injured myself rolling on the floor laughing. Take a look at the statistics on just how "safe" the police are when they use thier firearms. An average of 7 shots that miss for everyone that hits, and that is with people who stand up in front of them. EXACTLY why I want 'trained professionals' like that to take care of me ... NOT.

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2 points well actually 3 couldnt resist commenting on it.

1 washington d.c has some of the strictist gun control laws in the country and they are pretty close to leading the nation in murders.

2 over 55,000 people are killed on the highways every year so maybe we ought to ban driving cars.

I did have a third point but i just got back from thailand and haveing my brains fucked out so i am way to mellow right now to get into some pissing contest by some moron, who has a hate on for the u.s.
 

The Lizard King

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I did have a third point but i just got back from thailand and haveing my brains fucked out
Great...just what I need on a Sunday morning, an American sharing his wisdom after a Thai sex tour. If you like Asian women so much, why travel all that way when there's plenty of AMPs or micros on either side of the border in close proximity for you. Guess they just don't have what you're looking for.
 
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