Oilers and Flames - offseason

[wolverine]

First of all, good move by the Flames to get Tanguay from the Avalanche. They need more offense. And I hear they may sign Roenick.

The Oilers just re-signed Fernando Pisani and Dwayne Roloson to big contracts. I hope their playoff performances weren't flukes. And I hope they can keep Spacek, Laraque and Samsonov.

With Chara and Jovanovski signed up quickly by Boston and Phoenix, the Oilers now have the upper hand to trade Pronger to anyone who wanted those two guys.

 

[Right Said Fred]

First of all, good move by the Flames to get Tanguay from the Avalanche. They need more offense. And I hear they may sign Roenick.

The Oilers just re-signed Fernando Pisani and Dwayne Roloson to big contracts. I hope their playoff performances weren't flukes. And I hope they can keep Spacek, Laraque and Samsonov.

With Chara and Jovanovski signed up quickly by Boston and Phoenix, the Oilers now have the upper hand to trade Pronger to anyone who wanted those two guys.

Boston also signed Marc Savard as well. He will be a compliment to Patrice Bergeron. With Chara's addition, it sounds like Boston is trying to make up for it's blunderouss trade of Joe Thornton to San Jose.

As for the Pronger thing, rumour has him going to Toronto for Thomas Kaberle or Darcy Tucker <one but not both> and Alexander Steen and probably a couple draft picks. Also a rumour to Florida. Pronger to Florida for Jay Bowmeister, Nathan Horton, and a draft pick or two.

Another possibilty would be Pronger to Tampa Bay for Vincent Lecavalier and something/someone else.

George Laraque would take a paycut to stay in Edmonton but it doesn't look like the Oilers want him back and he is kind of hurt by that.

 

[hardup]

First of all, good move by the Flames to get Tanguay from the Avalanche. They need more offense. And I hear they may sign Roenick.

J.R said in a statement that he would like to play in Calgary or Toronto and is apparantly talking with the Flames.......if he could be signed for the reported 1 mil he would be a bargain if he stayed healthy.

 

[Moose]

J.R said in a statement that he would like to play in Calgary or Toronto and is apparantly talking with the Flames.......if he could be signed for the reported 1 mil he would be a bargain if he stayed healthy.

I can't stand J.R. but maybe he'll help Amonte get on track. He'll be worth the million if he can do that

 

[Moose]

As for the Pronger thing, rumour has him going to Toronto for Thomas Kaberle or Darcy Tucker <one but not both> and Alexander Steen and probably a couple draft picks. Also a rumour to Florida. Pronger to Florida for Jay Bowmeister, Nathan Horton, and a draft pick or two.

George Laraque would take a paycut to stay in Edmonton but it doesn't look like the Oilers want him back and he is kind of hurt by that.

The Florida offer looks like the best for Pronger. Oh the Laffs, they should be rebuilding around some of the good young players they have. Instead, they are looking to trade for an older player that will not be there when they may actually be able to contend.

As for Laraque, why would the Oilers want him back. They sat him out for both the Red Wings and 'Canes series because he too slow to play in the NHL. Goons as becoming old news these days. Thats why my Flames are not picking up the contract option on Simon.

 

[wolverine]

As for the Pronger thing, rumour has him going to Toronto for Thomas Kaberle or Darcy Tucker <one but not both> and Alexander Steen and probably a couple draft picks. Also a rumour to Florida. Pronger to Florida for Jay Bowmeister, Nathan Horton, and a draft pick or two.

Kaberle doesn't want to leave the Maple Laffs, so we would be trading one disgruntled player for another.

The Florida deal is better because Keenan traded for him before, and Jay B is a local boy with Pronger/Phaneuf potential.

As for Laraque, why would the Oilers want him back. They sat him out for both the Red Wings and 'Canes series because he too slow to play in the NHL. Goons as becoming old news these days. Thats why my Flames are not picking up the contract option on Simon.

Laraque is still one of the most feared fighters in the league. And he played a bigger role in the Sharks and Anaheim series. When the Ducks decided to employ goon tactics in the playoffs, Big Georges was there to slap them back into submission. He is also an excellent community guy and team ambassador who's been known for impromptu street hockey games with kids. Which other NHLers are more renowned for their approachability? And unlike certain star players, he wants to stay instead of buggering off for more money and a bigger market.

 

[BS Detector]

known for impromptu street hockey games with kids.

haha...Hope is isn't getting into fights with them. All kidding aside, I hope we keep Big Georges here. One of my favourites, like Semenko. He may come across as meek and mild but like ya said Wolvie, when San Jose and Anaheim tried to goon it up, he was there to put an end to it.

 

[Moose]

Ok boys, you changed my mind about Laraque but still think any one who is strictly a goon will not be in the league much longer. Yes you do need tough players but guys like Reagher and Phuenuf can handle it for the Flames. I guess only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Anyone know much a Andrei Zyuzin? Flames got him for 2 years at 1.4 per to replace Leopold. I guess Sutter had him in San Jose so I assuming he is a Sutter type player.

 

[SInCity67]

If you guys get Horton , take that deal and run !!!

 

[threepeat]

Ok boys, you changed my mind about Laraque but still think any one who is strictly a goon will not be in the league much longer. Yes you do need tough players but guys like Reagher and Phuenuf can handle it for the Flames. I guess only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Enforcers are like nuclear weapons; everyone has to get rid of them at the same time. In the playoffs, Edmonton was getting their heads shoved in the toilet and their lunch money stolen by San Jose until Laraque showed up. The rest of Edmonton's middleweights (Jason Smith, Ethan Moreau, Brad Winchester, Matt Greene) are tough guys but would be simply outclassed against a real heavyweight. A guy who can fight the big boys and play like Chris Simon are real commodities in the new NHL. If the Oilers do keep Laraque, and I hope they do, the Flames will be one of the teams they are keeping him for.

Contrary to what the Eastern media were saying a week ago, I think it's good for the Oilers to wait until after the free agency rush before dealing Pronger. Sure the number of teams they can deal with go down, but the teams that are left become more serious. If memory serves, all the major FA defencemen are already off the market. I know nothing about Nathan Horton but the local media seems to like him. Bouwmeester would be great fit for Edmonton, but my favourite picks in return for Pronger would be Rick Nash or Simon Gagne. You can never replace Pronger with a single guy, but if we got Bouwmeester and managed to shore up the third defence pairing (never really liked the Bergeron/Tarnstrom) that would fill the crater pretty nicely.

I heard an interesting comment on The Team that Peca was not a popular guy in the dressing room (too selfish), which might explain why even his stellar playoffs did not make the Oil want to renew his services.

It doesn't look like Edmonton is in the running for JR, but I'd still love to see him here. Sure he doesn't check, but no one ever said three scoring centres was a bad thing. IMHO most teams have only have an energy line because there is not enough scoring talent to go around.

If we don't renew Rem Murray's contract, I also heard Marty Reasoner would be available again, and he would be a nice reliable choice for the fourth line.

 

[SInCity67]

^^^^^^^^

You will never get Rick Nash or gange for Pronger...

 

[threepeat]

Never say never

The odds are against it, but I would love to see Nash as an Oiler. I think he's the pure finisher that we need. The only problem is that Columbus isn't a team that is building to win right now, and I think that's the type of team that's most likely to want Pronger.

Gagne would be more likely. Bobby Clarke has always liked the big players, and Pronger is a world class big player who has proven he can play in the new NHL. He'll be a huge upgrade over Derian Hatcher, who is only slightly cheaper and is about 1/2 as good.

Now that I think about it, I'd also like to see Pronger for one of the big three in Tampa Bay, like Lecavalier. I think St. Louis, despite the NikeBauer commericals, is too small, and Brad Richards is too expensive. If I was T Bay, I would definitely consider it. They're a team that wants to win right now, having won the Cup two seasons ago, and half of their payroll is tied up in three forwards. If you're going to spend that kind of dough on three players, why not balance it out and spend it on two world-class forwards and one world-class defencemen? Dan Boyle doesn't scare anyone, and their goaltending has been spotty since Khabibulin left. Hmmm... I like it...

To me, it's encouraging that the Flames managed to get Tanguay for Leopold. If they can do that, why can't the Oilers get a bigger name forward for a bigger name defencemen?

 

[SInCity67]

The odds are against it, but I would love to see Nash as an Oiler. I think he's the pure finisher that we need. The only problem is that Columbus isn't a team that is building to win right now, and I think that's the type of team that's most likely to want Pronger.

Gagne would be more likely. Bobby Clarke has always liked the big players, and Pronger is a world class big player who has proven he can play in the new NHL. He'll be a huge upgrade over Derian Hatcher, who is only slightly cheaper and is about 1/2 as good.

Now that I think about it, I'd also like to see Pronger for one of the big three in Tampa Bay, like Lecavalier. I think St. Louis, despite the NikeBauer commericals, is too small, and Brad Richards is too expensive. If I was T Bay, I would definitely consider it. They're a team that wants to win right now, having won the Cup two seasons ago, and half of their payroll is tied up in three forwards. If you're going to spend that kind of dough on three players, why not balance it out and spend it on two world-class forwards and one world-class defencemen? Dan Boyle doesn't scare anyone, and their goaltending has been spotty since Khabibulin left. Hmmm... I like it...

To me, it's encouraging that the Flames managed to get Tanguay for Leopold. If they can do that, why can't the Oilers get a bigger name forward for a bigger name defencemen?

A's liked Loepold. They think he'll fit in there system great. Also, Tanguay is on his last year of his contract. The Ave's wouldnt of re- signed him.

Also , Gange hasnt even reached his prime yet and is cheap. Stop day dreaming...

 

[Right Said Fred]

Pronger

Just read on TSN.ca that Pronger will probably be dealt within the next 24 hours with Anahiem being mentioned as the team he is going to.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170367

Possibly for local boy Joffery Lupul, Sean O'Donnel, and Getzlaf <forgot his first name>

 

[wolverine]

I would want Scott Neidermayer if Prongs is going to Anaheim.

 

[Right Said Fred]

I would want Scott Neidermayer if Prongs is going to Anaheim.

That would be straight up too. I wouldn't argue with that. A co-worker of mine tutored Scott Neidermayer in high school for math. Neid's dad had told Scott that if he didn't pass math, there wouldn't be any hockey for him. Neid's went out and passed math. That was an easy choice for him.

 

[Moose]

Neidermayer and Pronger on the same team would be a nightmare for everyone else in the West. Only problem I see would be getting them both the 30 minutes a game they both play. Hey Lowe, trade Pronger to the east please.

 

[SInCity67]

If the Ducks get Pronger, there the team to beat in the west..

 

[wolverine]

Neidermayer and Pronger on the same team would be a nightmare for everyone else in the West. Only problem I see would be getting them both the 30 minutes a game they both play.

I cannot see that happening. Two $6 million defensemen on the same team?

 

[Right Said Fred]

Pronger To The Pond

I cannot see that happening. Two $6 million defensemen on the same team?

It just happened. Here is the link to TSN.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170401&hubname=


And no........this is not a faked headline.