My fellow liberals - please don't donate to the Salvation Army

[uncleg]

Wonder what the LGBT community organizations are doing this year for people in need outside of their community ? Also haven't seen to many of their organizations show up at Katrina, or the Gulf Oil spill, or at...........pretty well anything unless it concerns them. Not to say that members of the community are not involved in charities, or don't assist when needed, but that's as individuals.

 

[*emmanuelle]

Wonder what the LGBT community organizations are doing this year for people in need outside of their community ? Also haven't seen to many of their organizations show up at Katrina, or the Gulf Oil spill, or at...........pretty well anything unless it concerns them. Not to say that members of the community are not involved in charities, or don't assist when needed, but that's as individuals.

That's their mission - to provide support for the LGBT community. The same way the SPCA's mission is to support animals, and the WIN's mission is to support women.

 

[*emmanuelle]

Reading this and another thread makes me feel someone lacks empathy and compassion.

I realize I'm coming off as a big bitch today, but I'm surprisingly compassionate. Unlike the Salvation Army though, I'm compassionate for all people - women, muslims and gays included.

 

[*emmanuelle]

I agree with Emmanuelle, i hate those fucking bastards, my father recently passed away, and every year for the past 10 years he volunteered at Chistmas to work the Kettle, he actually organized this with a organization he belonged too, his business donated $15,000.00 to the Sally anne last year. When he passed he wanted a certain type of funeral, at the Kelowna Salvation Army cause this was a charity he had believed in, and those ****ing ***holes denied us to have his memorial at their church because of the orginization he belonged to. They had no problem taking his money or for him to volunteer at the kettle, but then deny him to be put to rest the way he had wanted. They can kiss my ass

That is terrible, I am really sorry to hear that.

 

[scooter953]

Their full financial statement is posted on line. Make your own judgement call from that.

http://annualreview.salvationarmy.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SA_Financial_Statements_2011.pdf

 

[Elmore]

It's pretty simple... I agree with gay rights and am pro choice so I agree with and like Emanuees post and will not donate to SA. If that stuff doesn't bother you or it doesn't matter enough go ahead and donate. Just make informed choices

It is a bit of a leap to imply that anyone who donates to SA does not care about gay rights or is anti abortion. People make decisions all the time for the greater good even if they don't agree with everything an organization, or political leader stands for.

 

[Tugela]

I think that the only people you would hurt by not supporting the Salvation Army is the people that need it the most and depend on them during times of need.

Kisses Melina*

Ya, but there are other charities that don't provide help with a hidden agenda.

 

[james1944]

I respect the SA and the work that they do. I used to be religious, so I look at them a bit differently. Sure, they're old school, but they have stood the test of time in the work that they do. I don't have a problem giving my $ to them. I'd rather give it to them than some group I don't know about. Sure, they have their religious views, but they can't really force it upon ppl.

 

[dabears]

I'd be intrested to know what kind of "organization" before having an opinion one way or another.


does it matter what orginization it was, he donated his time to this orginization, and they turned their backs on us when we needed them, but had no problem taking his money,

 

[leoghaire]

Ya, but there are other charities that don't provide help with a hidden agenda.

What hidden agenda? They are a Christian organization and follow their beliefs quite openly and they don't care if the the person who needs help agrees with their beliefs or not.

 

[*emmanuelle]

I used to be religious

Welcome to the dark side. We have cookies.

 

[steverino]

I think this an interesting thread as it has got people thinking about a serious topic and the conversation has brought up some issues that we may all contemplate as we consider which organizations to support with our scarce donation resources of time and money. While folks have disagreed with Emmy, I sense it is out of genuine differences in their views and not an attack on her personnaly. That is what makes for a welcome, honest debate.

The central propostion revolves around donating to organizations which do good deeds (provide food, shelter and some opportunities for the foresaken) but also support values and possibly legislation that one strongly disagrees with.

My donation history has focused more on who is being helped as opposed to who might be potentially hurt, but my current practice has been to support organizations that more closely represent my values. I also pay close attention to groups that are efficient in their use of resources such that a very high % goes to the needy and a very low % goes to administration.

My only absolute is that I won't donate any money solicited over the phone, as the company doing the soliciting on behalf of the charity is often getting most of the money.

 

[hawkervac]

i donate to em all at this time of year, dont do it alot but hey when u out shopping and somone standing there in the damn cold all day ringiin a bell for people less fortnuate , what the hell i could care less what they get paid or how the corporation is run they helpin people who need help so fire a couple bucks in the bowl and feel good about it

 

[Devo]

People could at least attack the religious organization that likes to rape children along with the preaching, being against birth control, being against same sex marriage and running schools to keep a fresh crop of children available for their priests.

But no, the Roman Catholic Church is too powerful to attack. Let's attack the Church that runs soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

You don't see the Roman Catholic Church opening up on "freeze days" to let people sleep in the pews. There are no Roman Catholic Mobile Soup Kitchens and the only musical instrument that Roman Catholic Priests like to see played is the "skin flute".

If there ever was a religion worth criticizing.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1318320759001

 

[Unpossible]

Let's attack the Church that runs soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

You don't see the Roman Catholic Church opening up on "freeze days" to let people sleep in the pews. There are no Roman Catholic Mobile Soup Kitchens

Somebody's never heard of the St. Vincent de Paul Society.

 

[storm rider]

If I were going to be charitable....something I dont do right now as I have my own obligations such as a mortgage/car payment/LOC payment and the like....but if I were going to be charitable I would adopt a family at Christmas/Easter/Thanksgiving....I would go out of my way to find a deserving family in need and make a change in their life....the obvious stuff like food and presents as well as even something as a reliable used car so the breadwinner of that family could improve the life of that family by his/her efforts....I gotta say though the day that I do this is far off as I have a lot of obligations.

One thing I would never do is donate money to ANY charitable organization.....all of which have a huge amount of people who get paid from the money donated to charitable organizations.....if those people had any humanity they would be doing what they do for free.....and not for a 7 figure remuneration that the head of The United Way/Unicef..etc gets.....hell in the last 2 years charities in Calgary have taken the route of hiring people to stand on street corners and guilt the general public en masse......so a charity pays people to solicit donations....that is pretty bad IMO...even worse is when you go through the checkout at safeway and are asked if you would like to make a donation to blah-blah-blah in front of all the people behind you...WOW...nice that public shaming is an OK tactic to raise donations and keep the top dogs of those charites in good standing with regards to how much funds they raise.....the last time I was at a safeway and I was asked if I want to make a donation I said "yeah sure I would like to doante $100...but can you give me a tax reciept?"....the cashier said "no"....my response was "well then I will not donate my money as all it will be is part of a huge charitable write off for safeway's corporate balance sheet at my and other's expence".....to be honest the gal was totally stunned by this.

I dont give any charity right now...but when I do....I will make a difference to somebody and without ANYONE leaching off my generosity like a parasite......and I wont discriminate with regards to religion etc.

There is a recession on and I have to take care of me first though.

SR

 

[HankQuinlan]

I can't believe that people were attacking Emmy for her very reasonable opinion. It was clearly directed at "liberals" -- people who share her beliefs. She never suggested that religious conservatives should share her opinion (although what they are doing on this board is a puzzle to me).

I never give a dime to faith-based organizations (except for some food banks like the Mustard Seed while I lived in Victoria).

My favourite charity is Medecins sans Frontieres. They do great work -- and always to people who really, really need it. And they have no religious crap to dispense with their assistance.

Fuck Mother Theresa and anyone like her.

 

[luvsdaty]

Why don't you call mother Theresa a whore while your at it.

 

[*emmanuelle]

^Except for women. She called women's rights "the greatest destroyer of peace"

Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction. - Christopher Hitchens

I recommend watching the documentary "Hell's Angel: Mother Teresa"

 

[EvilPettingZoo]

Without delving into the subject of religious charities, one thing you might want to consider is how much of what your donating actually goes to the people (purportedly) being helped. A year ago (don't ask me how I remembered this) CBC did a story (link) about charities which squander money on administration and paid fundraisers.

The article includes a database which you can query using the form provided.