More restrictions in lower mainland

Sharj

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short answer....no you are not breaking the law...personal services have not been asked to close in this lockdown...massage parlors and indy sp's are a very low risk and have been doing a good job preventing the spread and following the guidelines...

please do not ask for banned services and respect the measures put in place in our industry to prevent the spread

love susie
Tell me when Having sex how do you make social distancesing work and what about mask.?
I am sure everyone clean and change sheets .
 

Miss Hunter

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I’d say more like two months, perhaps with more restrictions coming in the next few weeks as hospitalizations and deaths start catching up with these numbers.
With the increase in hospitalizations and numbers of ICU covid patients I expect the restriction hammer to come down much harder soon too.

But I think your estimate of 2 months is modest.
 

susi

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so to answer people who have fears and reservations-

each of us must do what we feel is right and consider what we are comfortable with. if you feel there is no way to protect yourself and are worried about becoming infected, then i would suggest taking a hiatus for now.

how ever, since there is never more than one or two patrons in a parlor at once and only one patron in an indy's incall... the risk is actually quite low as is shown by the absence of outbreaks in these environments. the cleaning strategies are working as each new patron enters a completely disinfected environment.

people should also consider if they may risk the exposure of elderly loved ones or others in their families/ bubbles who are immunocomprimised.

Kissing is not recommended, BBBJ is not recommended. asking patrons/clients to shower and to remove PPE worn outside when entering the location is also recommended. multiple partner encounters are not recommended.

if we are all careful we will be able to prevent the spread and remain open.

love susie
 

susi

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while i 100% respect and have compassion for the need to work, but unless both adults wear N95 masks isn’t the likelihood of multiple transmissions from multiple contacts going to go up rapidly and then tracing is going to jeopardize and draw PHA attention
it has not caused this so far, so the measures people are using are working. if you feel worried about it or have doubts, i would suggest you stop seeing sp's for now. even if the worst case scenario were to happen and an outbreak occurs, contact tracing does NOT include _" hi, you were in a massage parlor to buy a blow job and may have come into contact with the virus" - they will simply ask you to isolate and to share names and contact info for anyone you may have come into contact with since possible exposure.

We have been working with the PHA who agree that indoor sex work venues are far easier to clean and work to prevent the spread than for example... a car and working on street. as an industry we have proven that we can be diligent and we can be responsible in the ways we work to prevent the spread.

again, if people are uncomfortable, i suggest you abstain for now.

love susie
 
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The BC Government has said this is confusing. What they did clarify is the following:

No social gatherings of any size with anyone other than your immediate household. For example:

- Do not invite friends or extended family to your household

- Do not gather outdoors

- Do not gather at restaurants

We can try to spin it anyway we want, but it's rather obvious any provider in a condo or apartment will generate attention by her clients visiting. It doesn't take much effort to call 3-1-1 like we're told to do. What happens after, we really don't know.
 
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Just copied these few lines from the page outlining these two weeks new restrictions.
I'm not trying to argue, but just a perspective. Logically, I can't imagine how any SP related activities would be excused.
Visiting an SP you are an outsider, not a part of the household. What you do in the room can be easily categorised under a sport activity, doesn't it? Then visiting SP's are, I suppose, traveling for 'sport' activity. Not literally, but basically what is is other than a cardio workout. Two strangers heavy breathing, sweating, in an extremely close contact in close quarters. Plus, it's a business, and that's addressed in the end. In particular the masks and distancing, with consequences. I agree, I'd really worry about the neighbours making phone calls.

Read the quotes:

Under the new order, residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks.

The order applies to social gatherings of “any size” with people other than one’s immediate household, regardless of whether it is fewer than 50 people or physical distancing is observed.

Indoor sports where physical distancing cannot be maintained are also suspended.

The order bans travel for sport into or out of the region.

All workplaces will also be required to conduct active, in-person screening for COVID-19. Added vigilance around physical distancing and mask wearing, particularly in smaller spaces, must be implemented, Henry said.

Businesses that are unable to stick to their COVID-19 safety plans will be shut down, Henry said.
 

Sharj

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Just copied these few lines from the page outlining these two weeks new restrictions.
I'm not trying to argue, but just a perspective. Logically, I can't imagine how any SP related activities would be excused.
Visiting an SP you are an outsider, not a part of the household. What you do in the room can be easily categorised under a sport activity, doesn't it? Then visiting SP's are, I suppose, traveling for 'sport' activity. Not literally, but basically what is is other than a cardio workout. Two strangers heavy breathing, sweating, in an extremely close contact in close quarters. Plus, it's a business, and that's addressed in the end. In particular the masks and distancing, with consequences. I agree, I'd really worry about the neighbours making phone calls.

Read the quotes:

Under the new order, residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks.

The order applies to social gatherings of “any size” with people other than one’s immediate household, regardless of whether it is fewer than 50 people or physical distancing is observed.

Indoor sports where physical distancing cannot be maintained are also suspended.

The order bans travel for sport into or out of the region.

All workplaces will also be required to conduct active, in-person screening for COVID-19. Added vigilance around physical distancing and mask wearing, particularly in smaller spaces, must be implemented, Henry said.

Businesses that are unable to stick to their COVID-19 safety plans will be shut down, Henry said.
We
This all points to no pooning for a while I feel sorry it effects ladies business. Theycan still get government money.
I got exposed by having hair cut now in confinement for14 days
 

iliketravel

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This all points to no pooning for a while I feel sorry it effects ladies business. Theycan still get government money.
I got exposed by having hair cut now in confinement for14 days

Sorry to hear that. It shows how easy this can be transmitted, despite taking precautions. I hope it will be a smooth ride getting out of it.
 

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so to answer people who have fears and reservations-

each of us must do what we feel is right and consider what we are comfortable with. if you feel there is no way to protect yourself and are worried about becoming infected, then i would suggest taking a hiatus for now.

how ever, since there is never more than one or two patrons in a parlor at once and only one patron in an indy's incall... the risk is actually quite low as is shown by the absence of outbreaks in these environments. the cleaning strategies are working as each new patron enters a completely disinfected environment.

people should also consider if they may risk the exposure of elderly loved ones or others in their families/ bubbles who are immunocomprimised.

Kissing is not recommended, BBBJ is not recommended. asking patrons/clients to shower and to remove PPE worn outside when entering the location is also recommended. multiple partner encounters are not recommended.

if we are all careful we will be able to prevent the spread and remain open.

love susie
Hi Susie

I absolutely agree with your recommendation of showering upon arrival, removing PPE, and no kissing but I don't understand why you would say BBBJ is not recommend ? Also you didn't mention anything about anal play ?

It's my understanding that it's possible the COVID-19 virus can be transferred by sexual activitie that expose you to fecal matter but theres currently no evidence that the virus is transmitted through semen or vaginal fluids,.
Why would BBBJ (or DATY for that matter) be a risk ?
 

Sharj

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Hi Susie

I absolutely agree with your recommendation of showering upon arrival, removing PPE, and no kissing but I don't understand why you would say BBBJ is not recommend ? Also you didn't mention anything about anal play ?

It's my understanding that it's possible the COVID-19 virus can be transferred by sexual activitie that expose you to fecal matter but theres currently no evidence that the virus is transmitted through semen or vaginal fluids,.
Why would BBBJ (or DATY for that matter) be a risk ?
What about traveling Sp from high infectious area visiting city and seeing multiple clients are they not putting people at risk. The do not test nor they isolated?
 

BDB9IN

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What about traveling Sp from high infectious area visiting city and seeing multiple clients are they not putting people at risk. The do not test nor they isolated?
I think it depends on the SP, I know there are some that do quarantine when they get here and test regularly the same as they do for STDs but as a whole I'm sure there's a greater risk visiting with them as opposed to somebody whose base here in Vancouver.

I definitely would avoid anybody from Quebec as their infection rate is about 1 in 68 people now (BC is about 1 in 223), Ontario is not as bad at 1 in 143 but still obviously higher than ours. I think the best advice is to "Buy Loca" ?
 

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I posted this in another thread but, feel it belongs here too.
No disrespect meant to anyone.
It's a respiratory disease; easy to catch and easy to spread. Being diligent about hygiene can be helpful, but the only way to truly minimize your risk is by avoiding close contact. I'm surprised that in some other threads it's almost treated as an STI. No DATY, rimming or kissing, yet man-on-top missionary or cowgirl seems to be acceptable. Breathing from two different oxygen sources during sex would be a huge improvement, but not exactly feasible. Both wearing properly sealed N95 masks would help as well, but may not be 100% effective.
What makes this so insidious is you can have it and be spreading it and not even know it. You can be contagious even before you have symptoms. If you're one of the people who are asymptomatic even more so.
The chances of any cases being "traced" back to this activity is very slim. Being relatively anonymous is a big part of being involved on both sides of the equation. A guy would definitely not tell where he got it if he felt it was from booking an SP. We barely talk about doing this at the best of times, never mind during COVID. I don't think too many SPs, massage parlours or escort agencies are going to announce any kind of a possible contact. It would drastically effect business.
I think there is a fear that cases coming from the sex work industry would hinder any efforts to legitimize and eventually legalize it. Society's view SPs and clients is poor enough, never mind tossing in a global pandemic.
 

Sharj

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I think it depends on the SP, I know there are some that do quarantine when they get here and test regularly the same as they do for STDs but as a whole I'm sure there's a greater risk visiting with them as opposed to somebody whose base here in Vancouver.

I definitely would avoid anybody from Quebec as their infection rate is about 1 in 68 people now (BC is about 1 in 223), Ontario is not as bad at 1 in 143 but still obviously higher than ours. I think the best advice is to

What about Sp from Manitoba west infection is high in all provinces.
You think they do or you know. They do?
In Winnipeg they have clients booked on arrival.
 

susi

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Hi Susie

I absolutely agree with your recommendation of showering upon arrival, removing PPE, and no kissing but I don't understand why you would say BBBJ is not recommend ? Also you didn't mention anything about anal play ?

It's my understanding that it's possible the COVID-19 virus can be transferred by sexual activitie that expose you to fecal matter but theres currently no evidence that the virus is transmitted through semen or vaginal fluids,.
Why would BBBJ (or DATY for that matter) be a risk ?
so, i am assuming you would wear a condom as is the common practice for anal play or use a dental dam given the risk of HEPC from anilingus... BBBJ and DFK are very common practices which are usually expected by clients.

since the virus has been found in semen, the bc center for disease control issued recommendations which tell people to avoid BBBJ, DFK specifically since they are in wide spread practice.

so to answer you, because the bc center for disease control have acknowledged that covid is found in semen and have recommended people avoid BBBJ and DFK/ LFK...in fact kissing of any kind and also warn against fluid transfer in particular with multiple partners.

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/Guidance-for-clients-sex-workers.pdf

i hope this answers your question!

love susie
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
Just copied these few lines from the page outlining these two weeks new restrictions.
I'm not trying to argue, but just a perspective. Logically, I can't imagine how any SP related activities would be excused.
Visiting an SP you are an outsider, not a part of the household. What you do in the room can be easily categorised under a sport activity, doesn't it? Then visiting SP's are, I suppose, traveling for 'sport' activity. Not literally, but basically what is is other than a cardio workout. Two strangers heavy breathing, sweating, in an extremely close contact in close quarters. Plus, it's a business, and that's addressed in the end. In particular the masks and distancing, with consequences. I agree, I'd really worry about the neighbours making phone calls.

Read the quotes:

Under the new order, residents are banned from visiting each others’ private homes for two weeks.

The order applies to social gatherings of “any size” with people other than one’s immediate household, regardless of whether it is fewer than 50 people or physical distancing is observed.

Indoor sports where physical distancing cannot be maintained are also suspended.

The order bans travel for sport into or out of the region.

All workplaces will also be required to conduct active, in-person screening for COVID-19. Added vigilance around physical distancing and mask wearing, particularly in smaller spaces, must be implemented, Henry said.

Businesses that are unable to stick to their COVID-19 safety plans will be shut down, Henry said.
so, just for clarification... "personal services" are the industry category visiting an sp or AMP fall under and our sector has not been closed down. this also includes hair salons and nail studios.

inside the CoV inspectors and police are aware of the malicious complaints which can occur against sp's and parlors so are prepared to be understanding and provide education to the complainant about our industry not being closed.

again, if you are uncomfortable i suggest taking a break from visiting sp's but for those who would like to visit, our industry is open and people are taking measures to protect your health and prevent the spread.

love susie
 

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Restrictions now to January 8th ... And beyond if needed. It is what it is.

If you read any news you see that California is in a complete lock down, as in back to the early days where Italy and hard hit areas imposed similar rules like NO GATHERINGS, only one person from a household allowed out for essential needs, that kind of thing. It worked up to a point but as soon as the rules were eased the virus spread again. Its a real mutherfucker of an infection. 2 weeks was considered as what was needed but it is apparent more time is needed to let those who are asymptomatic to burn through the active virus. Looks like now one month is being tried.

Quite the year of loss, including traditional Christmas.
 

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Restrictions now to January 8th ... And beyond if needed. It is what it is.

If you read any news you see that California is in a complete lock down, as in back to the early days where Italy and hard hit areas imposed similar rules like NO GATHERINGS, only one person from a household allowed out for essential needs, that kind of thing. It worked up to a point but as soon as the rules were eased the virus spread again. Its a real mutherfucker of an infection. 2 weeks was considered as what was needed but it is apparent more time is needed to let those who are asymptomatic to burn through the active virus. Looks like now one month is being tried.

Quite the year of loss, including traditional Christmas.
C19 is one insidious mofo. It's not deadly for most of the population less than 50 years old, allowing them to think it's no big deal. But those are the age groups that are the most reckless, and ideal carriers for spreading it to the most vulnerable. If it affected everyone equally, then it'd be taken a lot more seriously.
 
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