Marriage Proposal? Anybody else get these too?

[maverick73]

This is where the warning lights and whistles started really going off for me, Mav. This girl has got you tied up in knots, so tied up that you are afraid to ask for something you need. She is using anger to manipulate you and up to this point, you've allowed it. If this is how this woman interacts with you now(and you haven't even met her) how do you think she would act after and engagement and/or marriage?

This woman is HIGH maintenance. She will have you completely uncomfortable and on the edge of your chair with worry about the state of your relationship with her in no time at all. She is also the type that will eventually give you the line, "if you loved me, I wouldn't have to explain what I mean." I am going to again join the chorus of those telling you to run away, run very far away.

1. I am not afraid of asking her for something I need. A) It's not something I need nor want. I was going on the premise of satisfying the curiosity of the PERB members. Please don't accuse me of being manipulated. B) I am definitely not AFRAID, but why get a nasty email for no reason? There is a difference between fear and not wanting to do something because it doesn't produce a pleasurable result. Furthermore, I am NOT interested in getting engaged or marrying this girl. I made that very clear from the beginning.

2. Stop talking about this "relationship." There is not, and will not be a "relationship" with this person. Did you actually read the posts in this thread? I find this is a common problem (and I'm guilty of it myself at times) on PERB in general. People read bits and pieces of threads and come to totally wrong conclusions or assumptions and make uninformed posts.

This girl was a PENPAL and I made it clear. The first 7 emails were somewhat normal. The 8th was the one you read. I am not interested in this girl any more than being penpals. Capiche?

 

[Maury Beniowski]

Maury, do you have any idea how offensive and insulting this kind of gross generalization is? Its the same sort of thing as saying, "all black men are dumb, make good athletes, and have big dicks." It is the same as saying "all asian men are good at math, know karate, and have small dicks." Or that all Muslims are terrorists, white men cannot jump or dance, and that all Canadians feel inferior to Americans.

Are there Canadian, Irish, Italian, and German women who have smelly pussies and farts? Are there Russian women who have pleasant smelling pussies and who have no propensity for extremely smelly farts? Of course there are, to both questions. What you are doing is applying some sort of stereotype in a very crude and offensive way. It is the same sort of thinking that leads many police depts in the US to stop drivers based on a racial profiles. In some parts of the US, if a black man is driving a nice car, in a nice part of town, the police automatically stop them for questioning, because that is the profile they have established for car theives. The US Supreme Court ruled that racial profiling is unconstitutional. Your comments about Russian women carry the same sort of hatred and bigotry.

It is now the 21st century. When are we going to stop employing the favourite and antiquated tools of modernity when we attempt to pigeon hole everyone into an easy to understand, bite-sized category? When are we going to stop thinking in such bigoted and elitist ways?

Hey AM, do I have to put a smiley every time I put a little humour in my posts? I think Mav and others saw it but evidently you missed it and proceeded to use a very broad brush to connect dots to other unrelated topics. If you followed the thread, you would have noticed I later gave Mav some serious advice, albeit by quoting a reliable source. Nevertheless, if you wish to preach and champion the causes you espouse, then you are welcome to do so. Perhaps another thread might be in order, ones in which I would gladly contribute to. With any appropriate smileys, of course...

Don't be so damn sensitive AM; let's go out for a beer sometime!

 

[tom25]

So Mav,

Let me get this right. Through the same on-line dating service you've been targeted for a reality t.v. show scam that wants to hit you up for $25,000 and a russian mail order bride scam that would likely cost you more if you followed through.

Time to delete your account and move on!!!

Tom

 

[maverick73]

So Mav,

Let me get this right. Through the same on-line dating service you've been targeted for a reality t.v. show scam that wants to hit you up for $25,000 and a russian mail order bride scam that would likely cost you more if you followed through.

Time to delete your account and move on!!!

Tom

Tom! My bestest buddy from Winnipeg. Oh how much I've missed you

Well I don't actually pay for the account, and I find the "offers" I've received somewhat amusing, so for now, I'm going to maintain the account. I'm open to meeting penpals, but these aggressive ladies from Russia seem to think penpals = lifelong partner without even meeting face to face!

PS How has your summer been?

 

[maverick73]

Hey AM, do I have to put a smiley every time I put a little humour in my posts? I think Mav and others saw it but evidently you missed it and proceeded to use a very broad brush to connect dots to other unrelated topics. If you followed the thread, you would have noticed I later gave Mav some serious advice, albeit by quoting a reliable source. Nevertheless, if you wish to preach and champion the causes you espouse, then you are welcome to do so. Perhaps another thread might be in order, ones in which I would gladly contribute to. With any appropriate smileys, of course...

Don't be so damn sensitive AM; let's go out for a beer sometime!

Maury, I've gotten so paranoid that people take me the wrong way that if you've read my posts recently, I have to put a damn wink wink beside almost everything I say so as to not cause a flame war. In fact, I wish there were a broader range of wink winks because the only ones I seem to ever use are:


and


I do use the other ones occasionally, but rarely...

And the rolleyes one I sometimes use in a different context than "literally" rolling my eyes... I sometimes use it as an "imagining good things" smiley instead of the sarcastic tone it implies.

So, the question still remains... is there any basis to the statement that Russian women have smellier pussies? (there, I used a diff. smiley)

 

[American Male]

2. Stop talking about this "relationship." There is not, and will not be a "relationship" with this person. Did you actually read the posts in this thread? I find this is a common problem (and I'm guilty of it myself at times) on PERB in general. People read bits and pieces of threads and come to totally wrong conclusions or assumptions and make uninformed posts.

This girl was a PENPAL and I made it clear. The first 7 emails were somewhat normal. The 8th was the one you read. I am not interested in this girl any more than being penpals. Capiche?

Mav, this girl thinks there's a relationship. This girl is treating you as if you were in a relationship. I "capiche" Mav.....do you?

 

[invisible hand]

What Girl????

Yes...I started to get these also....so I went the the US Embassy's Moscow website....I figured in their War On Everything minds they would have a Homeland Security alert for "abused women from Russia" (I love you too Aexandra...really!!!).

Anyways....sure enough, the Yanks are on Red Alert for red nails...first thing they ask is "who says it is a woman?". Da...I never thought of that.

They they give a lot of common sense ways of verifying the scams from a girl that just was a better life.

So, I experienced....I acted gullible and asked really softball questions...every one was never heard from again...so my 8 times around the block fellow traveler...go read what the yanks say...like ask her for a picture of herself near a famous landmark to show your mother...then you shall see...or ask her to show you a picture of herself with today's newspaper.

 

[maverick73]

Yes...I started to get these also....so I went the the US Embassy's Moscow website....I figured in their War On Everything minds they would have a Homeland Security alert for "abused women from Russia" (I love you too Aexandra...really!!!).

Anyways....sure enough, the Yanks are on Red Alert for red nails...first thing they ask is "who says it is a woman?". Da...I never thought of that.

They they give a lot of common sense ways of verifying the scams from a girl that just was a better life.

So, I experienced....I acted gullible and asked really softball questions...every one was never heard from again...so my 8 times around the block fellow traveler...go read what the yanks say...like ask her for a picture of herself near a famous landmark to show your mother...then you shall see...or ask her to show you a picture of herself with today's newspaper.

That was one of the best posts in this thread (besides Maury's) I've read yet. Good stuff! I loved the part about Homeland Security... LOL

 

[maverick73]

Mav, this girl thinks there's a relationship. This girl is treating you as if you were in a relationship. I "capiche" Mav.....do you?

Well, I don't see how 8 emails is considered anything more than a penpal "relationship." I shall report back once I try #9 and #10 of Maury's suggestions. This is now more for curiosity sake than anything.

 

[maverick73]

For all you Soap Opera junkies, here is the latest twist

This is the email I wrote to her:
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Hello [name removed]. Thank you for your email. I am just wondering why you feel so strongly about me before we have even met? Don't you think we should meet and see how we get along before talking about being together forever? For now, I am happy being penpals with you. Then, when I come visit Russia, I can visit you. Or, if you are coming to Canada, we can meet and go out on some dates. How does that sound?

Sincerely,

M.
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I also wrote to her from a different email, pretending to be somebody else:
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Hi [name removed]. Long time no talk. How are you? I am doing really well.

I am wondering if you would like to meet with me when I come to Russia or whether you already have a boyfriend. Are you looking to move to North America?

Write back soon!

[my pretend name removed]
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I did not get a reply email from the pretend email. But I did get an even longer letter from her professing her love to me below... and of course the expected catch of requiring me to send her money!
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Hello my angel Maverick!
I have received your letter and I understand that I am only begin to live.
At us with you still only begins. Now I find sense in life.
I not represent my life without you, my Angel!
I love you, and I am ready to repeat these words again and again! We have firm in our city which makes the documents for people who want to leave the country.
I went in agency, they have told me what documents I should make. I asked about moving to your country and I got the answer that I need the visa, foreign passport and some other documents for registration.
I have foreign passport and all necessary documents for this process Now necessary only to issue the visa. Only I have one problem, I do not have money to the air ticket. I have learned the price for the ticket and at all I do not know as to think. I did not think that it costs so is expensive. The ticket costs 560 euro . At the airport demand that I have bought round trip tickets. Lovely I need in this money to see you. My the girlfriend has told that you can send the money through company which make this service.
I asked about it, on my work and I know now, that exists reliable and fast company which makes remittances in world and it's Western union.
I take a directory book and found the address of it and it's not far from me.
I went there and I asked them about service.
They said that sender must go to the western union, give them information: the name and last name of receiver, and country they make transfer
The receiver must know ten digits for receiving money.
They has told that the branches of it must be everywhere worldwide.
Here is the information about me:
Country: Russia Federation 440600
City: Penza
Stree: Moskowskaya house 9
Name bank - Vneshtorgbank
Name: [name removed]
Lastname: [name removed]
I must know your full name and full home address.
Today I represented our meeting...
You wait for me in the airport and worry for my arrival.
We look around And we search eyes each other in crowd, then with to become transfixed hearts we find each other and to rush into strong embraces.
We stand having embraced, and all look at us. And for us as though nothing exist. Only you and I!!! Now I do not know what to do, really we can not meet? It is a shame for me, to ask your help, but I do not have other decision of this problem, especially, you want it too, whether or not?
I think about sense of money, and I'm very sad if this paper can prevent people to meet each other.
In most cases the money play a main role in life but it's not right! I'm sure.
I always not aspired to material enrichment and do not search specially for rich male.
I appreciate human qualities and relations and I love you Maverick!!! I love you all my heart, I want to be with you now.
If it's mutually we will be very happy in our life.
You are my love, my Angel. My heart is yours.
Every day I think about our meeting, and I think it's real, we must use this chance of destiny.
I LOVE YOU Maverick!!!!!!!!

Your love [name removed]
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[Massagegirl]

Thats great stuff Mav!

 

[maverick73]

Thats great stuff Mav!

Ok I'm not sure what to write back to this girl to make her "get the point" without hurting her. I thought that by making it clear I wanted to be penpals only, she would get the hint. Instead, like Tone Loc says "she started makin' plans for our weddin'"

So, let's make this an interactive thread. Any suggestions? I will write back based on a combination of any suggestions (if I get any). Thanks.

 

[tom25]

Ok I'm not sure what to write back to this girl to make her "get the point" without hurting her. I thought that by making it clear I wanted to be penpals only, she would get the hint. Instead, like Tone Loc says "she started makin' plans for our weddin'"

So, let's make this an interactive thread. Any suggestions? I will write back based on a combination of any suggestions (if I get any). Thanks.

MAVERICK .... put on a pot of coffee. Inhale deeply and smell it.

Now, have you done that?? You awake now???

O.K. Listen carefully!

THIS IS A SCAM!!!!!

You are not going to hurt her!!!! She is likely sending the same e-mail out to 10 other guys right now seeing which one is going to take the bait.

Tell her you don't have any dough, and see whether you ever hear from her again.

She'll get over her heartbreak in about 10 seconds when she realizes you're not going to be sending cash!

Tom

 

[Massagegirl]

Facetious answer: tell her to get a job as an escort and raise the $ herself.

Real advice: tell her your friends think she's a scam and that we won't let you send money to a stranger but that we would feel differently if she had a job to take care of her own needs and came here legitimately. After all, if she has no job there, how will she support herself here?

Other alternative facetious answer: I asked my GF but she said I'm not allowed to have any money.

And ya honestly it is probably a scam in one way or another (ie she doesn't look like her pic, she is a guy, she is looking to get landed status and leave ya, etc.) If the girl was from Italy or Australia it would be different but not different enough to send money! Christ, even if she lived in Duncan it's a bad idea to send money!

Don't feel bad never talking to her again either, it's ok to move on without any guilt after all she is...

-someone you met thru a dating site (all dating sites are sketchy)
-someone who proffessed love for someone she's never met
-someone who "needs" your money(lots of starving kids in Africa do too)
-someone who doesn't know how to get the hint (about being penpals)

Just those 4 things make her sound like a bad person really, or at least not a very nice one, and remember where there is smoke there's fire! If you step back and look from the outside (imagine it happened to a friend of yours)you'll see what I'm saying. Good luck and as always let us know what happens...

 

[maverick73]

2nd Russian girl - Is this the same girl in all 4 pics?

This is a 2nd girl that has been emailing me. Unlike the first, no references to my name appear in any of the email text. They seem like generic emails.

This girl sent me a pic with almost every email. Looks to me like it's the same girl, but I'm curious to get other opinions.

I've give the picture a below a rating of 8.0. Great girl next door look with just the right amount of optimization and naturalness to bring her into 8.0 territory.

I don't particularly like the pic below. I rate it 6.5.

Third from the left in the backrow. I'd rate it a 7.0. She looks OLD in this pic.

This is a tie for my favourite with the first pic. I'd give it an 8.0.

 

[maverick73]

The conclusion, just for Massagegirl

Here is the last letter I wrote to the girl.
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Hello [name removed]

Thank you for your previous letter. I am flattered you feel so strongly about me, but for now, I am just looking for a penpal. I am not looking for a wife at this time. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings and that we can still be friends.

M.
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It seems to have worked. No more responses for a couple weeks.

Like Lionel Hutz would say, "Case closed."