Marriage Proposal? Anybody else get these too?

[maverick73]

well, maybe after writing her 8 times, you have mislead her. I'm sure you've told her all about your dog and stuff, eh?

quit playing games with girls from impoverished countries. Russia has got to be one of the saddest places on earth to be stuck in and you joe cool maverick are taking advantage of someones heart

quit it

Actually, I don't think I misled her at all! (honest) <- not being sarcastic (really) - I had to clarify because many of my posts are sarcastic, but I'm being 100% truthful and honest here.

This is the 2nd email I wrote her (after the first email that simply established contact).
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Hi. Are you ever in Vancouver? I really like your picture. It is too bad you are so far away. Perhaps we can become good penpals and one day meet in person!

M.
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So right from the beginning I made it CLEAR we could be penpals and that's it. She then asked me about a relationship, and I said we could MEET when I visit Russia, but that is all I can guarantee. I simply answered her questions about me in the 8 emails. Her msg's were so long that just answering her questions took a long time. I could barely have enough space to ask any of my own! To make a long story short, after a few emails of not getting reciprocation, she got upset and stopped writing me. I then wrote her a 3 liner basically saying "hi, how are you" and then I got that huge long love letter!

Those that know me know that I do not take advantage of somebody's heart. EVEN IF I WANTED TO, it is not in my astrological sign to do so.

 

[schizo_man]

try spelling it correctly..... Thorazine. That usually helps.

 

[maverick73]

Yes ... I have received these messages too, complete with pictures of some truly beautiful young women. Set a boundary now ... the process is not with honest intention ... and remember, the person sending you these notes is likely a big-fat-hairy-vodka-swizzling-russian-criminal. Picture that ... and he is wearing a thong!

Which site do you belong to and do all the email addresses end with .RU?

 

[maverick73]

yeah i've got the emails before as well. nothing ever went this far though.

Just curious, which site do you belong to? This actually isn't classified as spam. I belong to a site, so what happens is I get a notification from the site that I have a msg from somebody. I then log in, read the msg, and usually that msg will have a short description and an email to respond to. Similar to this one:
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Hello my new friend!!!
I do not know as to begin mine short the letter.
I read your profile and I am very much interested.
I shall write to you shortly about myself.
My name is [NAME REMOVED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT]
I am nice woman with fine sense of humor, with a appetizing body and kind soul
I would like to get acquainted with you and to find out more about you
Write to me on my e-mail: [EMAIL REMOVED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT]
I hope, that you will write to me on my e-mail: [EMAIL REMOVED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT]
And I shall write to you about myself and I send a photo.
I with impatience shall wait for your answer.
[NAME REMOVED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT]
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I've now gotten 3 of these in the last 3 months or so... seems to be 1 new one every month.

 

[JustAGuy]

Bottom line: a lot of women in third world countries want out. On my first few visits to Costa Rica in my naive younger days, I was amazed to see gorgeous young women in their 20's on the arm of some gringo old enough to be their grandfather. And though prostitution is legal in CR, in the vast majority of cases, these weren't working women. They were women who had hooked up with someone they viewed as their meal ticket out of CR and into the USA, Canada, Germany ... anywhere to escape a grinding Latin culture that raises boys to believe they are flawless centres of the universe who should be waited upon hand and foot while at the same time raising girls to be unfailingly subservient chars who "know their place".

In the few instances I heard of where some gringo actually went along with the plan, I know of only one case where the relationship lasted beyond when the woman became a legal resident of her new country. And I heard last month that after eight years together, that relationship too has finally run its course.

As eager as many Latina women are to escape their home country, you can probably multiply that tenfold when it comes to women from the former Soviet Union and other eastern bloc countries. Though life is much improved over what it was even five years ago in a lot of these places, many women there are still keen to make it to the west which they perceive as immeasurably better than the life they currently live.

For about two years, I spoke regularly with a woman named Eva who lived in St. Petersburg, Russia and worked at the ifriends website. She spent five months as an exchange student in England and that only whetted her appetite to get out of Russia permanently. I never had the impression that Eva was controlled by anybody and good luck to anyone who'd try. But she was very clear about the fact that there was nothing she wouldn't do or say or promise if it would get her out of Russia. As beautiful as she was, I suppose it was just a matter of time until some smitten guy came along and granted her wish. I haven't seen her on ifriends for over a year and my guess is that she's somewhere in North America or the British Isles today. If she is still with the guy who got her out of Russia, I'd be surprised.

My point is that even if you're lucky enough not to get involved in some frightening scenario that involves the Russian mob, the odds of a woman leaving a third world country to be with you and live happily ever after are roughly the same as the odds of you being struck twice by lightning during the same round of golf.

 

[maverick73]

actually, it is his fault. The site is a DATING site, not for overseas penpals.

Why on earth would someone write back to a 'spammer' 8 times? He did offer to visit her at some point, and as far as I'm concerned, this is akin to leading her on. He's gonna travel ALL THE WAY to Russia to meet "just some girl I met online"...

Regardless if these girls are under the control of some russian mob, they are desperate to leave their rotten living conditions, and for some kind, warm wealthy foreigener to pay attention to her, to make her believe there is something there, even some interest, which even I'd have to believe after 8 emails from a guy i met on a dating site, then it's understandable that she has become smitten. Different people from different cultures react in ways that may not seem right to us, but that doesn't necessarily make their intentions less than honourable.

Almost everyone on a dating site is looking for love, though 'intimate encounters people' I exclude from this generalization, maybe for some it's for all the wrong reasons, but still, don't fuck with people hearts, it's not nice.

The girls contacted me, not the other way around. I wrote back to this 1 girl 8 times because it was good conversation.... then out of left field, I get this love letter basically asking me to marry her without using said words.

If I did visit Russia, it would not SPECIFICALLY be to meet her. It would be part of a vacation where I could meet her for 1-2 days, possibly longer if we were having fun.

 

[maverick73]

Maverick honey. I thought what we had was special?

However shall i go on? *swoon*

Sssshhh You don't want anybody to find out about our secret online affair now do you?

I can just picture you fainting now, but don't worry, in my dream, I catch you with 1 arm to prevent you from being harmed and in the same smooth motion position my face such that we're in the kissing position, which then causes you to regain consciousness just in time for my slow and passionate kiss that "takes your breath away."

We then make student-instructor love and I leave before you wake up...your initial disappointment that I didn't stay is soon quelled when you see I left you an oragami(sp?) of a an F-14 jet as Berlin continues to play in the background.

 

[maverick73]

try spelling it correctly..... Thorazine. That usually helps.

That would explain why I couldn't find anything about it on the net . Thanks guy.

 

[Saffire]

Run away....far, far away....

 

[hornydude]

Bringing a Russian skank here will cost you $25K to the Canadian government nevermind what it takes to buy her. If you happen to know Russians though (of the non-criminal variety) they will usually know of at least 1 or 2 good girls wanting to come to Canada who are legit....IF she is a good fit, you may get a good 3-4 years high mileage out of her and then you can get a divorce and she gets her Canadian citizenship and a new life...ie. win/ win!

Not that I've discussed this with anyone or given it any thought

 

[Maury Beniowski]

Mav, tell her to fuck off. Ruski dolls have notoriously smelly pussies...

And their farts aren't much better!

 

[lenny]

Bringing a Russian skank here will cost you $25K to the Canadian government nevermind what it takes to buy her. If you happen to know Russians though (of the non-criminal variety) they will usually know of at least 1 or 2 good girls wanting to come to Canada who are legit....IF she is a good fit, you may get a good 3-4 years high mileage out of her and then you can get a divorce and she gets her Canadian citizenship and a new life...ie. win/ win!

What if she leaves right after the marriage ceremony? Can she
then still stay in the country & gain Canadian citizenship?

I take it that citizenship is not automaticly hers upon marriage
to a Canadian citizen.

 

[maverick73]

Mav, tell her to fuck off. Ruski dolls have notoriously smelly pussies...

And their farts aren't much better!

Ok this is a totally serious question... were you serious about the notoriously smelly pussies and is there a scientific explanation for this? Like their diet, too much vodka, contact with Russian cock, etc.

About the farts... now you're starting to freak me out! You actually did a smell test?

If so, I'm going to invite you onto my fart rating committee.

 

[Maury Beniowski]

You could end up with someone like this:

BUT READ THIS:

Anti-scam tips from a Russian woman

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By Maria Koshkarova
Dear guys!

A short while ago I found the black list, shown here. No need saying that scammers can reach pretty much anybody, who is looking for a life partner online. However I noticed (after reading the letters shown in the list) that there are certain things, you can notice before the scammer reaches your bank account.

Why do I write this?

Because I am also one of you (more or less), somebody who is looking for a life partner and decided to give it a try online.

I am a Russian woman of 23 y.o. and I think, I know what a woman is looking for online if she is not a scammer.

So, here are my tips, I hope, they can help somebody to avoid a problem:

1. Do you need to be careful? Yes, you do, however you should not go too far with that. If you have a profile without a pic on some site and hardly ever get any replies from ladies and then have bunches of love letters from some kind of a Russian beauty, ask yourself: what is there that could make her fall in love that quickly? Would you be able to fall in love with the profile you made that quick?

2. Pics. Russian girls have less technical possibilities than those, who live next door to you. Bunches of professional pics is a reason to think twice before getting close to that person. If she is a simple teacher with a minimal income and meanwhile she sends you something, that looks good enough to be published on the cover of the magazine, ask yourself where these pics come from. A lot of the pics that I have seen here were "too good to be true" Style, light, make up, quality- those things can mean that the pics were taken from a model agency and have nothing to do with the person, who writes to you.

3. What kind of pics should they be? usual. maybe made by a professional photographer, but not top-model like. To be sure you can ask her to send you later on a specific pic (not in your first letter of course). She says, she lives in Moscow? Ask her for a pic, made next to the Kremlin/ with her kid/in her garden/next to her office (according to the info that you have). If you are polite and ask nicely, showing interest to her and her life, "normal" woman will make it and send it to you.

4. You can ask later on for the pics she sent you before. You can say, you lost them and would like to have them again. If she uses pics of other people and sends bunches of letters to different guys, she may get confused and send you pics of a different person.

5. Letters. This is the first thing that can make you recognize a scammer. First letters can be neutral, but the further it goes the more specific the letters become. If your name is still mentioned only in the headline and never shows in the letter after that, it is a reason to think that the letters are made for mass use and are sent to a lot of people.

6. To move to a different country is a big step, if she never asks you about your life, work, family (not in general words (how are you today?), but specifically (how was your weekend in New Jersey?) it is strange that she wants to come to visit you next Thursday. If she is interested in you, she will ask you questions about your life, ideas, news, lifestyle BEFORE she decides to visit you.

7. You write to each other, so her letters cannot be a separate thing from what you write to her. If you say that your aunt died/ your son went to school/you got a promotion and she says, that the weather is still fine, it is a reason to have doubts about the letters.

8. If you keep in touch for a while (a few months), she shows deep interest and she is ready to share her life with you, her profile will probably get removed from the dating site, where you found her. If you are both ready to get married, why is she still looking for guys online?

9. If everything seems to be ok, but you still have doubts, you can send a reply to her profile as a different user from a different email address and see what you get as a reply. Once again, the first letter you get then may be the same as the one she sent to you first (a lot of people have a pre-made letter for getting in touch with other people), but the other letters have to be different.

10. if she is planning to come to you and loves you like crazy ask her as a different user if she already found anybody online. If she is a scammer, the reply will always be no.

There are other things that can make you doubt. However these tips may help somebody If Elena publishes this letter I will also try to write "how not to take a normal woman for a scammer", I suppose, that also can be useful.

Good luck and remember, we are all different.
Maria

 

[Massagegirl]

Those tips are great Mav, why don't you try some of them, in particular the different email thing, pretend you are someone she met awhile ago and sound interested in her, then see how she reacts...? Get back to us, this is very interesting.

 

[DJLAW]

Mav. i got one from Date.ca when i was on that years ago. i just deleted it without reading it when i saw she was from russia.

granted, i know of someone that is on his third mail order bride from china. mail order brides just don't seem to work at all.

my experience with internet dating is bad. i met two (local) girls and one didnt look anything like her picture and had a bad attitude and the other was a desperate single mother who was more interested in my apartment than me. she also had a hell of a lot more than a "few extra pounds"

 

[maverick73]

1. Do you need to be careful? Yes, you do, however you should not go too far with that. If you have a profile without a pic on some site and hardly ever get any replies from ladies and then have bunches of love letters from some kind of a Russian beauty, ask yourself: what is there that could make her fall in love that quickly? Would you be able to fall in love with the profile you made that quick?

2. Pics. Russian girls have less technical possibilities than those, who live next door to you. Bunches of professional pics is a reason to think twice before getting close to that person. If she is a simple teacher with a minimal income and meanwhile she sends you something, that looks good enough to be published on the cover of the magazine, ask yourself where these pics come from. A lot of the pics that I have seen here were "too good to be true" Style, light, make up, quality- those things can mean that the pics were taken from a model agency and have nothing to do with the person, who writes to you.

3. What kind of pics should they be? usual. maybe made by a professional photographer, but not top-model like. To be sure you can ask her to send you later on a specific pic (not in your first letter of course). She says, she lives in Moscow? Ask her for a pic, made next to the Kremlin/ with her kid/in her garden/next to her office (according to the info that you have). If you are polite and ask nicely, showing interest to her and her life, "normal" woman will make it and send it to you.

4. You can ask later on for the pics she sent you before. You can say, you lost them and would like to have them again. If she uses pics of other people and sends bunches of letters to different guys, she may get confused and send you pics of a different person.

5. Letters. This is the first thing that can make you recognize a scammer. First letters can be neutral, but the further it goes the more specific the letters become. If your name is still mentioned only in the headline and never shows in the letter after that, it is a reason to think that the letters are made for mass use and are sent to a lot of people.

6. To move to a different country is a big step, if she never asks you about your life, work, family (not in general words (how are you today?), but specifically (how was your weekend in New Jersey?) it is strange that she wants to come to visit you next Thursday. If she is interested in you, she will ask you questions about your life, ideas, news, lifestyle BEFORE she decides to visit you.

7. You write to each other, so her letters cannot be a separate thing from what you write to her. If you say that your aunt died/ your son went to school/you got a promotion and she says, that the weather is still fine, it is a reason to have doubts about the letters.

8. If you keep in touch for a while (a few months), she shows deep interest and she is ready to share her life with you, her profile will probably get removed from the dating site, where you found her. If you are both ready to get married, why is she still looking for guys online?

9. If everything seems to be ok, but you still have doubts, you can send a reply to her profile as a different user from a different email address and see what you get as a reply. Once again, the first letter you get then may be the same as the one she sent to you first (a lot of people have a pre-made letter for getting in touch with other people), but the other letters have to be different.

10. if she is planning to come to you and loves you like crazy ask her as a different user if she already found anybody online. If she is a scammer, the reply will always be no.

There are other things that can make you doubt. However these tips may help somebody If Elena publishes this letter I will also try to write "how not to take a normal woman for a scammer", I suppose, that also can be useful.

Good luck and remember, we are all different.

1. My profile was very vague on purpose. The first couple emails were just chit chat. Her emails were long, but mine were relatively short... basically answering her questions as truthfully as I could. I guess she liked my answers because by the 8th email, she was pretty much asking me to marry her!

2. I'm pretty sure the pics are genuine. They show her in various locations, with different people, and although she looks somewhat different in each pic (diff. clothes, makeup, hair, etc.), you can tell it's still definitely her.

3. I haven't tried this yet. Not sure if I want to bother.

4. Not going to try this. Here's why. After 7 long emails, I forgot some of the details of things she told me. Instead of reading ALL SEVEN again, I simply asked in my 7th email to her. She got all mad at me. Here is part of her 7th email to me:
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"I thought, that you read my letters. I ask be closer(more attentive), when read my letter."
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After that, I didn't hear from her for 2 weeks (I guess she was pissed). Then I wrote asking how she was, and that's when I got that long 8th email! I'm afraid if I ask for the pics again, she will go ballistic!

5. My name is mentioned multiple times in most of the letters in the body of it. Furthermore, they always mention specific things I mentioned in previous emails. So I don't think they were mass letters.

6. She asked me all those... I guess she liked my answers... oh oh, this makes it seem more real and now I have to hurt her...

7. All her letters were specific to me... see #6... seems real.

8. Well we're not officially anything, so I don't blame her for keeping her profile online until she is "officially" with somebody.

9 and 10. These sound like a plan. I'm going to do this and reply back for the sake of entertaining PERB... since there is such a lull in the summer and there seems to be a demand for this "drama."

 

[maverick73]

Agreed Massagegirl. Better than primetime tv. So have you heard from her Maverick?

She wrote me 2 days ago but I have not yet replied. I wanted to get the feedback of PERB. I am going to try the different email thing and see what happens.

She is going to be ssssoooooo disappointed when she finds out I've been flirting with a Flames Girl with bouncy boobs...

 

[American Male]

Mav, tell her to fuck off. Ruski dolls have notoriously smelly pussies...

And their farts aren't much better!

Maury, do you have any idea how offensive and insulting this kind of gross generalization is? Its the same sort of thing as saying, "all black men are dumb, make good athletes, and have big dicks." It is the same as saying "all asian men are good at math, know karate, and have small dicks." Or that all Muslims are terrorists, white men cannot jump or dance, and that all Canadians feel inferior to Americans.

Are there Canadian, Irish, Italian, and German women who have smelly pussies and farts? Are there Russian women who have pleasant smelling pussies and who have no propensity for extremely smelly farts? Of course there are, to both questions. What you are doing is applying some sort of stereotype in a very crude and offensive way. It is the same sort of thinking that leads many police depts in the US to stop drivers based on a racial profiles. In some parts of the US, if a black man is driving a nice car, in a nice part of town, the police automatically stop them for questioning, because that is the profile they have established for car theives. The US Supreme Court ruled that racial profiling is unconstitutional. Your comments about Russian women carry the same sort of hatred and bigotry.

It is now the 21st century. When are we going to stop employing the favourite and antiquated tools of modernity when we attempt to pigeon hole everyone into an easy to understand, bite-sized category? When are we going to stop thinking in such bigoted and elitist ways?

 

[American Male]

4. Not going to try this. Here's why. After 7 long emails, I forgot some of the details of things she told me. Instead of reading ALL SEVEN again, I simply asked in my 7th email to her. She got all mad at me. Here is part of her 7th email to me:
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"I thought, that you read my letters. I ask be closer(more attentive), when read my letter."
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After that, I didn't hear from her for 2 weeks (I guess she was pissed). Then I wrote asking how she was, and that's when I got that long 8th email! I'm afraid if I ask for the pics again, she will go ballistic!

This is where the warning lights and whistles started really going off for me, Mav. This girl has got you tied up in knots, so tied up that you are afraid to ask for something you need. She is using anger to manipulate you and up to this point, you've allowed it. If this is how this woman interacts with you now(and you haven't even met her) how do you think she would act after and engagement and/or marriage?

This woman is HIGH maintenance. She will have you completely uncomfortable and on the edge of your chair with worry about the state of your relationship with her in no time at all. She is also the type that will eventually give you the line, "if you loved me, I wouldn't have to explain what I mean." I am going to again join the chorus of those telling you to run away, run very far away.