Marc Emery could be screwed

[Cali Scott]

DAMNIT! I missed out on this thread!

Also, it's not the same grass we smoked in the 60's and 70's. The genetically engineered pot today is much more potent. It's enough to put people with marginal psych conditions over the edge. Spend a week in a local ER to see what I'm talking about. Then, let's talk again.

Osiris, all of this is KNOWN propaganda. It's not stronger than in the 60's & 70's - I smoke and know. What is being produced is more of the "good stuff" ana there is less of the "shitty" stuff available.

Genetically engineered? What, did Monsanto develop some killer strain that I should be smoking while I eat corn chips manufactured from their corn? C'mon dude.

ER? Oh come on, NOBODY has ever gone to the hospital from Pot alone. Not even you has seen such a thing. THis is just plain rediculous. If you want to throw stuff like that in, hom many people wind up in a hospital as a direct cause of Alcohol annually? Pot hurts no one and no thing (except some corporations' profits).

You should inform yourself as to the facts before spouting this garbage, man!

The definition's false because people don't have natural rights: rights are established by society only. If you're walking around alone in a savannah, explaining your "natural" property rights to a lion is not going to get you a lot of credit.

No my friend, RIGHTS are just that: "God goven" rights, you are born with the right of Liberty, etc., you are not given them; they are not privilages. That's what our Bill of Rights and your Charter state clearly. It's really a travisty that you believe this and you should REALLY inform yourself for the sake of understanding your true freedom.

Slowly but surely we are going towards world government. It will creep up on most of you because you've got you'd rather believe the vain fantasies that are going on in your head, or your brain has been reduced to pablum from watching too much reality TV, or you're too much of a yuppie pursuing your next BMW purchase to take notice. One world, one legal system , one system of commerce, one effective citizenship. All the small details to be determined by the most influential player. Soon you won't even be able to buy an apple without your purchase being registered with an authority that sends that information into central databanks. You won't be able to move from one location to another without authorities knowing. Everywhere you visit will be logged. You break one law in one jurisdiction, and you might find yourself arrested for the breaking of laws in multiple jurisdictions. Too bad the one system of commerce is largely already in place, and the one legal system seems well on its way, all US-driven.

You better learn your Pledge of Allegiance now.

Right fucking on!!! You hit that baby spot on GBM.

There is obviously nothing to discuss on this topic. It would be like discussing psychiatry with Tom Cruise...

LOL, LOVE that analogy Hank.

 

[The Lizard King]

It's enough to put people with marginal psych conditions over the edge.

So could rush hour traffic, pressure at work, too much alcohol, too much caffeine, bad experiences with women, pornography, high gas prices...

You can only be so selective with what you're prepared to restrict people from having access to in order to protect them, and society, from themselves. I've smoked weed for 28 years and never felt like I was heading "over the edge" and have been very successful. On the other hand, I know a lot of folks who have never smoked and are dumb as fuck, lazy and unsuccessful, with a simmering rage as they sit in traffic. People are people, 99.9% of which are useless and just taking up space on and polluting this world. They/you could find a way to place blame on anything in order to not take responsibility, or to justify or substantiate economical, career, or social shortcomings or reasons for criminal activity and irresponsible behaviour. It's all just one big cop-out.

To the non-stoners...

 

[rockyy]

hmmmmmmmmm...but LK, you're not doing the stoner's cause any good by going around saying that '....people are people, 99.9% of which are useless and just taking up space on and polluting this world....'

I guess it follows that the 0.1% who aren't are the potsmokers?

Seems a bit elitist ... but you stoners are an elitest bunch if ever I saw one. I'm tired of having stoners try to drag me into their legalization cause. What about world hunger? What about taxes? What about shit that matters?

To his credit, Emery parlayed your creed into a personal cash cow. Too bad he got busted. I admire the guy, really I do - but he made a slight misjudgement: In this day and age, no one - and I mean NO ONE - is dumb enough to be the nail that sticks out furthest from the board.

But ya know, whadday expect? THE GUY'S ALWAYS STONED..!

So could rush hour traffic, pressure at work, too much alcohol, too much caffeine, bad experiences with women, pornography, high gas prices...

You can only be so selective with what you're prepared to restrict people from having access to in order to protect them, and society, from themselves. I've smoked weed for 28 years and never felt like I was heading "over the edge" and have been very successful. On the other hand, I know a lot of folks who have never smoked and are dumb as fuck, lazy and unsuccessful, with a simmering rage as they sit in traffic. People are people, 99.9% of which are useless and just taking up space on and polluting this world. They/you could find a way to place blame on anything in order to not take responsibility, or to justify or substantiate economical, career, or social shortcomings or reasons for criminal activity and irresponsible behaviour. It's all just one big cop-out.

To the non-stoners...

 

[wilde]

And yep, I never have done any of those things. I'm perfect.

I think that's all we need to know about you and just how much credibility you have on this issue? None.

 

[Osiris]

I think that's all we need to know about you and just how much credibility you have on this issue? None.

I see you can no longer discern sarcasm. Maybe you've smoked up too much!

 

[wilde]

I see you can no longer discern sarcasm. Maybe you've smoked up too much!

Go have sex with yourself!

 

[Ilovethemall]

dudes

Bottom line, most of us have tried it and inhaled.

BUT - Emery is an idiot - if I poke a hornet's nest long enuf, I will get stung. The U.S. are apeshit about drugs, can't stand 'em on this issue....but Emery knew that and yet flaunted himself in front of the DEA etc. - what a fucking moron.....the only one he has to blame for this is himself. If he was arrogant and stupid he wouldn't be busted.....and busted in a country where he will do at least 10 years.

 

[wilde]

But ya know, whadday expect? THE GUY'S ALWAYS STONED..!

You know what else, he is a pretty successful businessman for a stoner and all.

 

[westwoody]

I forgot about about this thread.
I asked two MD's I know and a nurse who works in triage at the same hospital if they had ever seen somebody come in who had to be admitted because of pot smoking. None of them had.
One of the MD's is a surgeon who works admitting/emergency in a rotation, the other is a GP who works there a lot more.
Also I asked another guy who is a psych and did part of his residency in the ward where they bring in "disturbed" individuals. He has some great stories, but none of them involve pot.

 

[Webster]

I see you can no longer discern sarcasm. Maybe you've smoked up too much!

Maybe too much pot has made you forget to back up your assertion about pot casualties mounting in the emergency rooms.

 

[Timbo]

My 2 cents

I have been a hardcore pot smoker for 7+ years now. I will admit the pros and cons to anyone interested in learning.

Addiction:
Everything can be rated on a scale in terms of addictivness. Pot falls in the middle of sugar and broccoli. In terms of priority, I'd buy food before buying weed, but I'd buy weed before buying more clothes or something not really essential to living. But I sure like to smoke 1-2 times a day. If I didn't, my body doesn't shake. I don't go into convulsions, or throw up, or get down peoples throats. Pot doesn't have the same physical addictiveness as other drugs, but mental addiction is all in the head of the person.

Hospital:
Of course there has been accidents and visits to the hospital due to smoking weed. You can do indirectly, such as a roofer who falls off a house because he smoked too much), or directly, like someone who is allergic to pot. I personally have a friend who was taken to the hospital due to an allergic reaction to it. People can have allergies to just about anything.

Another friend has some mental issues, and is fine on his medication, but if he smokes weed, he is off his rocker. I'm not talking about psychopath, just a vegetable who doesn't talk. He has similar effects with 3+ beers, so who's to say?

Weed potency, 70's vs today:
I am not old enough to say from experience, but I am told by many older people that it is stronger today than back then, largly due to quality of the farming. These friends will tell me they'd buy an ounce for $20-$40 and they could smoke it all night without being gooned. Smoke a few doobs of quality stuff today, and they're at their happy place.
It's not so much the genetics, as it is better farming.

I love pot. I prefer it to alcohol. Some people get off on booze, I get off on pot. Some people just shouldn't smoke pot, and others just shouldn't drink alcohol.

I'm all for decriminalizing weed, and making it as legal alcohol or cigarettes. Pot is much less harmful than either of these drugs, and how it got illegal, is the most retarded thing ever.

--- going to smoke some hash ----

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

how DID it get illegal?

 

[The Lizard King]

I guess it follows that the 0.1% who aren't are the potsmokers?

No...stoners or not, 99.9% of the people on this planet are useless. That's being conservative!

Seems a bit elitist

Kind of like?

To his credit, Emery parlayed your creed

What about world hunger? What about taxes? What about shit that matters?

Fuck world hunger. Let them eat weed or take birth control. LOL. Taxes? TAX THE SHIT, I'LL GLADLY PAY IT!

 

[Osiris]

Go have sex with yourself!

Thank you no. Unlike you, I have other options.

 

[smackyo]

Bottom line, most of us have tried it and inhaled.

BUT - Emery is an idiot - if I poke a hornet's nest long enuf, I will get stung. The U.S. are apeshit about drugs, can't stand 'em on this issue....but Emery knew that and yet flaunted himself in front of the DEA etc. - what a fucking moron.....the only one he has to blame for this is himself. If he was arrogant and stupid he wouldn't be busted.....and busted in a country where he will do at least 10 years.

lets not forget that the point of all this is that he flaunted himself in front of the DEA in CANADA, and got busted by a country while in his country, that being CANADA. so your argument makes no sense. the guy hasn't even been to the u.s. in 15 years.

by the way, what the fuck is the DEA doing in canada anyway?

 

[Osiris]

Maybe too much pot has made you forget to back up your assertion about pot casualties mounting in the emergency rooms.

Well, that sure showed me.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

...by the way, what the fuck is the DEA doing in canada anyway?

Dude.
Dude, dude, dude...
Doooooooooooood.
Same thing they're doing in 57 other countries.
They now have 2 offices in Canada, one right here in Vancouver.

See the full list here.

As to what the fuck they're doing? Call 'em up and ask 'em.

 

[Cali Scott]

I have been a hardcore pot smoker for 7+ years now. I will admit the pros and cons to anyone interested in learning.

Addiction:
Everything can be rated on a scale in terms of addictivness. Pot falls in the middle of sugar and broccoli. In terms of priority, I'd buy food before buying weed, but I'd buy weed before buying more clothes or something not really essential to living. But I sure like to smoke 1-2 times a day. If I didn't, my body doesn't shake. I don't go into convulsions, or throw up, or get down peoples throats. Pot doesn't have the same physical addictiveness as other drugs, but mental addiction is all in the head of the person.

Hospital:
Of course there has been accidents and visits to the hospital due to smoking weed. You can do indirectly, such as a roofer who falls off a house because he smoked too much), or directly, like someone who is allergic to pot. I personally have a friend who was taken to the hospital due to an allergic reaction to it. People can have allergies to just about anything.

Another friend has some mental issues, and is fine on his medication, but if he smokes weed, he is off his rocker. I'm not talking about psychopath, just a vegetable who doesn't talk. He has similar effects with 3+ beers, so who's to say?

Weed potency, 70's vs today:
I am not old enough to say from experience, but I am told by many older people that it is stronger today than back then, largly due to quality of the farming. These friends will tell me they'd buy an ounce for $20-$40 and they could smoke it all night without being gooned. Smoke a few doobs of quality stuff today, and they're at their happy place.
It's not so much the genetics, as it is better farming.

I love pot. I prefer it to alcohol. Some people get off on booze, I get off on pot. Some people just shouldn't smoke pot, and others just shouldn't drink alcohol.

I'm all for decriminalizing weed, and making it as legal alcohol or cigarettes. Pot is much less harmful than either of these drugs, and how it got illegal, is the most retarded thing ever.

--- going to smoke some hash ----

I've been smokin' for some 35 years now (started @11 by a member of the LAPD). I run 2 successful enterprises (Legal, thank you) and am starting a third. I play keyboards and percussion. Nowadays I only smoke a few days a week but am motivated in life; it usually energizes me and stimulates my creativity (but fucks up my pool game, damnit). Any addiction to it is indeed psychological.

I know people who are similar in terms of motivation as well as those who are stoners and don't do as well on it. Some are "lazy" stoners but would probably be unmotivated without it as well. Who's to say what degree weed has on this factor. I can say that personally, I observe about the same ratio of motivation in the non-smoking populous.

Having been smoking all of this time, I can reiterate what I said earlier in that it's no stronger today than back when I started (1970). There was a lot more crap weed (like from Mexico) back then and less good shit but the best hydroponic shit today is no stronger than the Thai stick , Kona gold and other Hawaiin weed we got back in the day.

I know a few people (and have met MANY) who become violent on alcohol but never anyone who is this way on weed. The only "deleterious" effect that I have ever observed of others on weed is perhaps a mild "paranoia" or "self-consciousness" on it. In my non-professional opinion, this probably is a pre-existing condition that is amplified during the high. I have met others utilizing it for medicinal purposes to great effect. My ex would be a complete cunt during certain lunar phases and the only thing that made her better was natures medicine (HER smoking it, not me ).

Regarding Mr. Emery I can say that yeah, he is a big stoner. I have met him about 4 or 5 times and he (and I) have been stoned each time. Yeah, he prodded the sleeping bear with allowing packages to go out to the states -BUT- I think that it's fucking WRONG to have arrested him for something that it tacitly legal in B.C. Sure, if someone violates a U.S. law and flees to Canada (e.g. Renee Boje') then pressure could legally be brought to bear on Canada to extradite but for the U.S. to pressure this arrest is IMHO, just plain wrong and without jurisdiction or justification.

I think that we have a multitude of other problems here in the U.S. without expending resources on this kinda crap. I think that this is just another symptom of our increasing Imperialism here.

 

[Cali Scott]

No...stoners or not, 99.9% of the people on this planet are useless. That's being conservative!

99.9 percent of the people on the planet ARE stoners in that they bury themselves in one of the multitude of legal drugs and/or sex, pursuit of money / materialism, work, working out, meditation etc. to escape. The point that I am trying to make is that they utilize these things to "escape" dealing with their feelings or trying to not feel or experience something else. This, no matter what the substance is, is unhealthy and unproductive.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

...but the best hydroponic shit today is no stronger than the Thai stick , Kona gold and other Hawaiin weed we got back in the day...

The smell of Thai stick. Nothing of recent memory comes close to it. The sweetness. None of the skunkiness that alot of todays shit has...

To repeat my earlier question:
how DID it get illegal?