Marc Emery could be screwed
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I’m surprised that people who want to see marijuana decriminalized in Canada aren’t angry at Marc Emery. His actions have only fueled the Americans’ arguments for lobbying Canada to have stricter laws. If I recall the gist of the American argument is that a lot of the pot in the US comes from Canada and that is why they do not want Canada to be softer on this drug. If Canadians want to decriminalize and consume marijuana in Canada the US should respect that decision and leave us alone. However, we should also respect that they have a different view and are trying to reduce the use of marijuana in their country. Any Canadian shipping marijuana (seeds to rolled joints) is not respecting the US’s wishes and should be prepared to face the consequences instead of cowering behind the Canadian government and courts.
I think Marc Emery is selfish and irresponsible to have stuck his nose into the US. He did so knowing or reasonably ought to have knowing the consequences and should take responsibility for his actions. He didn’t have to deal in the US did he? His actions put the Canadian government in a sticky situation when our relationship with them is relatively tenuous. Why should we waste the Canadian government’s resources, taxpayer resources, and further straining our relationship with the US to help this guy when he didn’t help himself by simply keeping his dealings out of the US?
I do not think being able to use marijuana is the fundamental human rights issue that advocacy groups seem to make it out to be. There are more important issues for our government to focus its attention on. How about child poverty in Canada? If you have never called your MP to tell them to eliminate child poverty in Canada then you are giving tacit approval to its existence. Why do you support children living in poverty in Canada?
I would welcome decriminalization of marijuana in Canada only because I think it takes too much time of public discussion and debate, and practically speaking it already is decriminalized. However, in exchange for decriminalizing pot I want to see extremely stiff laws for all other drugs. I want to see people who produce and sell these drugs to go to jail for life. That said I don’t understand some people’s preoccupation with pot. If I told you I got drunk regularly, even went to work drunk there would be no doubt I have a problem. But someone who gets stoned on pot regularly is healthy? I hope there’s more to life.
I’m surprised that people who want to see marijuana decriminalized in Canada aren’t angry at Marc Emery. His actions have only fueled the Americans’ arguments for lobbying Canada to have stricter laws. If I recall the gist of the American argument is that a lot of the pot in the US comes from Canada and that is why they do not want Canada to be softer on this drug. If Canadians want to decriminalize and consume marijuana in Canada the US should respect that decision and leave us alone. However, we should also respect that they have a different view and are trying to reduce the use of marijuana in their country. Any Canadian shipping marijuana (seeds to rolled joints) is not respecting the US’s wishes and should be prepared to face the consequences instead of cowering behind the Canadian government and courts.
I think Marc Emery is selfish and irresponsible to have stuck his nose into the US. He did so knowing or reasonably ought to have knowing the consequences and should take responsibility for his actions. He didn’t have to deal in the US did he? His actions put the Canadian government in a sticky situation when our relationship with them is relatively tenuous. Why should we waste the Canadian government’s resources, taxpayer resources, and further straining our relationship with the US to help this guy when he didn’t help himself by simply keeping his dealings out of the US?
I do not think being able to use marijuana is the fundamental human rights issue that advocacy groups seem to make it out to be. There are more important issues for our government to focus its attention on. How about child poverty in Canada? If you have never called your MP to tell them to eliminate child poverty in Canada then you are giving tacit approval to its existence. Why do you support children living in poverty in Canada?
I would welcome decriminalization of marijuana in Canada only because I think it takes too much time of public discussion and debate, and practically speaking it already is decriminalized. However, in exchange for decriminalizing pot I want to see extremely stiff laws for all other drugs. I want to see people who produce and sell these drugs to go to jail for life. That said I don’t understand some people’s preoccupation with pot. If I told you I got drunk regularly, even went to work drunk there would be no doubt I have a problem. But someone who gets stoned on pot regularly is healthy? I hope there’s more to life.
If you got drunk regularly, let's say for a period of about 2 to 3 years. You will probably die from liver failure. If you smoke pot (got stoned) regularly, let's say for a period of about 2 to 3 years. You will probably gain a few pounds, have a few memory lapses and may have develop a smoker's cough (depending on method of ingestion).S.G. Gibson said:
The difference:
Canadian view - using marijuana is a rather benign activity
US view - using marijuana is a dangerous activity akin to shooting up heroin or smoking crack cocaine
BTW, most of the pot in the US is still imported from SOUTH of their border.
Since the US has proceeds of crime legislation which allows it to seize property which was paid for with the proceeds of crime, and the Canadian government has knowingly collected the proceeds of crime from Mark in the form of taxes, perhaps Bush should use this opportunity as a pretext to seize Canada and all its assets.
Wilde,
I'm not saying the US is right to treat marijuana as a hard drug. I'm saying it's none of Canada's business just as it is none of America's business if Canada decriminalizes marijuana. We would be in a better position to defend our drug policy to the US if they couldn't argue that it had an impact on the distribution of marijuana in their country.
I think there are long-term health risks to using pot, maybe they aren't as bad as alcohol. I don't know. But I don't understand why anyone would want to be stoned or drunk regularly. A little escapism is ok, a lot makes me wonder?
I'm not saying the US is right to treat marijuana as a hard drug. I'm saying it's none of Canada's business just as it is none of America's business if Canada decriminalizes marijuana. We would be in a better position to defend our drug policy to the US if they couldn't argue that it had an impact on the distribution of marijuana in their country.
I think there are long-term health risks to using pot, maybe they aren't as bad as alcohol. I don't know. But I don't understand why anyone would want to be stoned or drunk regularly. A little escapism is ok, a lot makes me wonder?
Do remember the American Michael Fay that vandalized cars in Singapore. He was going to be caned for his actions.
Americans were up in arms because they don't cane people in America as a form of punishment. "Thats uncivilized." Now the American goverment didn't intervene because it wasn't their place 'in this situation' to tell another country how to discipline those that break the laws of their country.
Michael got whipped and deservedly so. My point being marjuana is treated harsher down South than in Canada but its not our place to tell America how to deal with those that break their laws.
If Mr. Emery is guilty of breaking laws he should face the consequences, and not be allowed to cower in Canada. If everything was equal and Mr. Emery was guilty of being a pedophile everyone hear would be escorting him down South.
Americans were up in arms because they don't cane people in America as a form of punishment. "Thats uncivilized." Now the American goverment didn't intervene because it wasn't their place 'in this situation' to tell another country how to discipline those that break the laws of their country.
Michael got whipped and deservedly so. My point being marjuana is treated harsher down South than in Canada but its not our place to tell America how to deal with those that break their laws.
If Mr. Emery is guilty of breaking laws he should face the consequences, and not be allowed to cower in Canada. If everything was equal and Mr. Emery was guilty of being a pedophile everyone hear would be escorting him down South.
Yes Kev, but Michael Fay broke Singapore's law in Singapore. And I think this is why there is such an outcry for Mark Emery. Imagine if the Americans made burning the US flag a crime. Some antiwar activist up here burn a few of their flags on TV, then the US "tells" the RCMP to arrest and extradict him/her. Are you ok with this? I am not. As a Canadian, I equate using marijuana with rather inconsequential offences such as littering, speeding and pooning.Kev said:
I am CANADIAN ...
The whole situation pushes many Emotional Buttons for Canadians. So many of us are overly sensitive to being identified with US culture and values; taking great pride in any liberal differnces that do exist between us. Face it, we are just more tolerant of different points of view in Canada. Canadians identify more with Europeans, than we do Americans and in this particular circumstance, our perception is everything. Mark is screwed, he broke the law in the US, we know that. But the same actions in Canada have been tolerated by many and celebrated by some. Mark is living dangerously and he is making a difference for a cause that he believes in. Good on him for that. I wonder how many of us can honestly say we are making a difference for a cause that we believe in. What outrages us most about any Canadian being extradited to the US, is our own national feelings of powerlessness. It bothers us that Uncle Sam has set up a DEA shop in our territory. We feel bullied by the nation next door to us, we are pissed off and for that reason, it is difficult for us to possess much clarity on the topic.
The whole situation pushes many Emotional Buttons for Canadians. So many of us are overly sensitive to being identified with US culture and values; taking great pride in any liberal differnces that do exist between us. Face it, we are just more tolerant of different points of view in Canada. Canadians identify more with Europeans, than we do Americans and in this particular circumstance, our perception is everything. Mark is screwed, he broke the law in the US, we know that. But the same actions in Canada have been tolerated by many and celebrated by some. Mark is living dangerously and he is making a difference for a cause that he believes in. Good on him for that. I wonder how many of us can honestly say we are making a difference for a cause that we believe in. What outrages us most about any Canadian being extradited to the US, is our own national feelings of powerlessness. It bothers us that Uncle Sam has set up a DEA shop in our territory. We feel bullied by the nation next door to us, we are pissed off and for that reason, it is difficult for us to possess much clarity on the topic.
Maybe this isn't the best analogy but...
If I have a dog and it sneaks under the fence and shits in my neighbour's yard I might not think it is a big deal but I could see my neighbour not appreciating my dog shitting in his yard. Now I could tie my dog up, build a better fence, or get rid of the dog. But since I do not think my dog shitting in my neighbour's yard is a big deal I do nothing and my dog keeps sneaking under the fence and shitting in my neighbour's yard. My neighbour thinks I am an asshole for not preventing my dog from shitting in his yard so he calls by-law enforcement and they give me a big fine or maybe take my dog away for being a nuisance to my neighbour. I might think my neighbour is a heavy-handed asshole but I could have done things differently too to prevent things from coming to that. If I'm not willing to put a leash on my dog then I shouldn't bitch when my neighbour comes down on me and my dog.
If I have a dog and it sneaks under the fence and shits in my neighbour's yard I might not think it is a big deal but I could see my neighbour not appreciating my dog shitting in his yard. Now I could tie my dog up, build a better fence, or get rid of the dog. But since I do not think my dog shitting in my neighbour's yard is a big deal I do nothing and my dog keeps sneaking under the fence and shitting in my neighbour's yard. My neighbour thinks I am an asshole for not preventing my dog from shitting in his yard so he calls by-law enforcement and they give me a big fine or maybe take my dog away for being a nuisance to my neighbour. I might think my neighbour is a heavy-handed asshole but I could have done things differently too to prevent things from coming to that. If I'm not willing to put a leash on my dog then I shouldn't bitch when my neighbour comes down on me and my dog.
Same here, but here it goes. Let's assume gambling is illegal in country X. Mark from country X joined an online gambling site located/hosted in the US. Police in country X busted Mark for illegal gambling and wants to charge the people who operates the online gambling site located in the US as well as to initiate extradiction procedures. Me thinks the US will tell the police in country X to piss off.S.G. Gibson said:
If a marijuana seed selling operation based in Amsterdam was sending seeds to American consumers, would they get busted by the DEA and extradited to serve up to 20 years in a US prison?
Very good point IMO. I wonder...wilde said:
Perhaps it is the U.S. customers that should be prosecuted.
BTW in Canadian jails it is considered uncool to even be gay let alone rape another inmate.Ilovethemall said:
Rapists are refered to as skinners and are the lowest of the food chain in (Canadian) jail, usually doing all or most of their time in PC (Protective Custody) to avoid being beaten and/or killed.
I don't see what difference it should make in which country you were in when breaking the laws of another country. If i'm in Canada and i'm breaking American laws whether it be selling seeds, distributing kiddie porn, or whatever you can think of that shouldn't be tolerated. Even if distributing seeds or kiddie porn was legal in Canada that doesn't give you the right to take that outside of Canada and stomp on another countries laws.wilde said:
How about this...
I reside in Canada and creat a computer virus that attacks the US goverment's computer network bringing it to a halt. The fact that i did it in Canada shouldn't factor in to my crime. I should be extradited to the US for prosecution.
How about...Kev said:
What a stupid comparison. Emery did not force his seeds upon the American consumers that ordered them. If those same people ordered your virus online from a website that you had set up in Canada, and paid you money for that virus, well, there's your comparison....
Isn't that the same argument the cigarette companies have been using for years now? He didn't force them to buy them, he offered to sell them. There's a very thin line there, and Emery crossed it. That is the distinction the Courts will be making when this goes to Trial.FuZzYknUckLeS said:
If anything, I don't think its the sale of the seeds that could get Emery extradited so much as the fact that he shipped the seeds into their country. Therein lies the crime.
