Man or mouse?

niteowl

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For that US Soldier who is here illegally, kick his yellow belly back to the states. He should be a man and either go to war or go to jail. Same goes for any other US soldier.
Eventhough it was for religious beliefs Mohameed Ali was man enough to go to jail.
 
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BYSON

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some of the things those boy's do and see in the US army, most people couldn't live with themselfs, maybe nightowl you should inlist in the army show them what its all about
 

O-Shoes

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Usually people join Armed Forces to Defend or to Peace keep for their country. What did the USA do? Neither... Invaded... Blah, Blah, spare me the Bush speech of why they did it... That fact is they did not need to and I'm sure this soldier feels this way thus he wanted no part of it...

Niteowl, you are either an American or you agree with the invasion of Iraq...
Or better yet, you should join the US army and go fight...

Touchy subject to start...
 

dirtydan

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Why fight in a war that was entirely based on a lie? I say the soldier is a hero for not participating in an unjust war.
 

chuck1561

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hifisex said:
right.....because saddam hussein was such a humanitarian

HFS

Yup..actually I saw Saddam at the Mall this morning ..he's the Santa this year :rolleyes:
 

O-Shoes

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"Weapons of Mass Destruction" I'm really glad Hussein is gone but that was their excuse to invade. It's all about OIL anyway...

Castro's a prick as well why don't they invade Cuba? Nothing there besides sugar that's why.

All right back to reviews no more politics and no hard feelings, just my opionion...
 

chuck1561

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O-Shoes said:
"Weapons of Mass Destruction" I'm really glad Hussein is gone but that was their excuse to invade. It's all about OIL anyway...

Castro's a prick as well why don't they invade Cuba? Nothing there besides sugar that's why.

All right back to reviews no more politics and no hard feelings, just my opionion...
let me ask you ..have you ever been over there?? please don't take offense to this as none is meant! have you ever seen the aftermath of a few thousand people men women and children being mustard gassed? you may think differently if you saw any of the crap over there that has gone on..and before you ask me..yes I have!!
 

edmontonexplore

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Do none of you remember a small thing called the Vietnam War? and if you do, you should recall how many people hid in Canada at the time so they did not have to go.
 

chuck1561

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muffman said:
the poster about the mustard gas forgets that America sold the mustard gas to Iraq, AND to make matters worst, the reason the kurds in the north died was because the Americans told them to attack and that they had their back - but never showed up.

plain and simple - this guy is a Man and not a mouse.

This war is illegal - based on current, past, and future international laws.

The guy joined to defend his country, not to be strung out to die in an illegal war...
the Man joined to go where is country sends him...and I guess You have not been over there then would be the answer to my question..I never asked them about politics when I was doing My JOB giving help where and when it was needed !!
 

chuck1561

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muffman said:
Don't be retarded. Yes I have been there. But that shouldn't matter - I haven't been to the moon, but I've studied plenty of physics to tell you about how it goes around the world.

And this BS about blindly doing your job is ridiculous.

If your boss asked you to do something that was blatently illegal, you wouldn't put your head down and blindly do it. You would object, possibly go to the press - in the United States - you would be a hero - a whistle blower.

There's no difference here. The guy was being led into an illegal war. His Commander in Chief lied to the nation. Tied 911 to Sadaam, and waged a war for unethical reasons.

Canada should welcome anyone who can stand up and say - that's not right.
I'm far from being retarded thanks..ofcourse I wouldn't do anything illegal..but their are politics in every "war" in history..and the fact that you say it's an illegal war is an opinion as far as I'm concerned. I'm proud of my service and have nothing to be ashamed of in anything I've done. he, IMHO isn't standing up to anything..he just ran..I had my share of BS..and YES some involving some tough decisions..did I question it..YOU BET but I didn't run anywhere, NO..that is just my point and my opinion..
 

static

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Who cares if a bunch of Iraqi citizens are mustard gassed. They should be quick thinkers like the americans and open up a hotdog stand. Mmmmmm, Hotdogs.
 

O-Shoes

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Chuch1561, You have missed the point. We are not promoting this guy for deserting. He should not be thrown in jail for it...

We are all glad Saddam Hussein got caught... It was terrible what he did in the late 80's early 90's

We are talking about the USA going against the UN and invading Iraq illegally without any threat to themselves.. North Korea, Iran are way more dangerous than Iraq. Why is the USA not doing anything about the country of Suddan>> Mass slaughter going on there... Way worse than Hussein did...
Funny how the US thinks. This had to do with OIL and Bush wanting to clean up his fathers mess...
Bush lied and said it WMD. Now there fucked because they had no plan after they took over.
I can quit a company or organization whenever I want.

Believe me, if Canada was been threatened or invaded I would be first in line to fight for our FREEDOM.

Static should be banned from the board for that comment...
 

luckydog71

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The question is not is this a just war. The question is should this person be returned to the US?

There is a US law that this person is charged with breaking. If he has a defense then he gets to present that defense during a trial in the US.

Canada and the US have an extradition treaty and I assume that this would be covered under that treaty.

This is not a major international incident, but it is one more small brick in an ever growing wall between Canada and the US.

Canada should return this person to the US so he can stand trial.
 

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Hinzman joined the army in 2001 and trained as a paratrooper. "When we marched, we chanted 'trained to kill and kill we will'," Hinzman told the board Monday. "I remember becoming hoarse from shouting this ... it really hit me. I learned I have a big inhibition about taking human life."

By August 2002, the practising Buddhist applied to be a conscientious objector -- meaning his personal beliefs prevented him from participating in war.

"I signed up to defend the country from all enemies, foreign and domestic -- not to carry out acts of aggression," Hinzman was quoted as saying earlier this year.

His application was delayed and he was sent to Afghanistan but served in a non-combat post. His application was turned down while he was serving there.

When he got his orders to ship out to Iraq in late 2003, he fled his North Carolina base and moved to Canada with his wife and toddler son. His wife is also seeking asylum.

The U.S. army has declared him AWOL: absent without leave.


The guy's a



Seems to me he tried to 'work within the system' --- went to Afghanistan, applied for conscientious objector status
 

luckydog71

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Grendleaxe said:

( As for the "wall", the US has already added several bricks with it's execution of foriegn citizens who were not allowed proper consular access and consultation, and ignoring agreements that exist to allow the exchange of criminals so that American's convicted of a crime in Canada can serve their sentences in the US and vice versa. We won't even talk about the fellow that wasn't even going to the US that was yanked off his plane in NY and sent to Syria. )
Grendleaxe we agree on this point. The US has added many bricks to the wall. There are people on both sides of the 49th that have laid so many bricks that they should join the bricklayers union.

And this issue is a very small brick in comparison to the many others. I hope we all come to our senses before it is too late and collectively start removing some. My fear is it may already be too late.
 

chuck1561

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muffman said:
and the fact that you say it's an illegal war is an opinion as far as I'm concerned

Unfortunately America's record in the UN shows that it's not just my opinion, but a matter of record!
so that means noone can disagree with the UN..I would like to question their rules of engagement that they stick UN Peacekeepers with..they tend to get soldiers killed with that BS.. so if you can disagree with the U.S. then others can disagree with the UN..can't they? and I said an opinion not yours :rolleyes:
 

O-Shoes

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You need to know the history of the UN chuck1561 and how it started then you would know not to ask the question above.
 

niteowl

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All I'm saying is that either he goes and join his buddies overseas or go to jail. He has no right in wasting our money so he can hide here. Why should I join the army and fight for Bush's control of the oil industry? I was born and raised in Canada.
If my forums were ever read you would know that I'm Canadian.
 

roadguy

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He is welcome here in my books.
Everyone on the planet, except a few on here I guess, no this was a unjust,
illegal war.
Look at the suffering it has broght forth.
 

Osiris

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Treason is merely a question of dates.

Man or a mouse? I don't know. History books will decide that.

Immigration Canada is the disturbing issue here. We sponsor strippers, but deport an Iranian woman who's worked and paid taxes her entire time here, whose entire immediate family is legally in our country, and, whether or not the whole story is being told in the press, we send her back to a country that murdered an imprisoned female Canadian reporter recently and won't admit it.

On the other hand, we refuse to turn over an AWOL soldier to the US. Maybe he's a man for taking a stand, and maybe he's a mouse for shirking his duty during tough times. Either way, that's an issue for the US courts to decide, not ours.

There's no way this soldier's situation is anything like having a boss who tells you to do something illegal. By the way, can anyone even recall a single instance recently of an employee anywhere in North America who turned in his/her boss for illegal activities or direction? I can't. I guess my mind is clogged with Enron's sudden bankruptcy, Anderson Consulting's scandalous book-keeping advice to Enron, Nortel's innovative interpretations of GAAP in their quarterly reports, and more.

Do you think the Canadian Airborne regiment wanted to disband a few years ago after their hazing rituals were slagged in the press? I recall some CBC hack asking the regiment commander what he thought of the government order to disband. His answer was (or words to the effect), "There's nothing to think about. It's a legal order. We're going to comply with it."

I think the bigger issue is that whether we're talking about Vancouver, the province of BC, Canada, or North America as a whole, there's no issue at any of those levels that has everyone pulling in the same direction. We had best find something to grab on to soon.
 
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